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Re: Scenario: If You could take only two black powder guns camping
« Reply #25 on: July 03, 2018, 10:05:48 pm »
I don't worry about four-legged predators in my neck of the woods. I would (and have) brought along my Uberti '73 short rifle in 44WCF to protect against the two-legged variety.  When I'm working around in the woods, I often carry my Pietta Frontier 4 3/4" SAA in 44WCF.  Those make a great combination. Frankly, though, it's mostly for nostalgia. If I really am concerned about threats, I take along some boring, modern guns.

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Re: Scenario: If You could take only two black powder guns camping
« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2018, 02:24:43 pm »
If it's got to be what I have in my safe it would be a Uberti "Santa Fe" Hawken .53 caliber caplock rifle and a USFA SAA .45 Colt with 7 1/2" barrel.

 

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Re: Scenario: If You could take only two black powder guns camping
« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2018, 01:36:19 am »
That is a tough one...

As others have mentioned, if two legged wolves are a concern then we are talking all modernisnche .... Smith airweight or 1911 or hipower or ...

But for fun, and not feeling underarmed,
I am still waffling betwixt

A) .54 sharps papercutter percussion business rifle + 8” remmy  1858 percussion

Or

2) Remington revolving carbine (with added tang mounted peep sight!) and 5.5” remmy 1858, both .45 cartridge conversions

Version A) is fun if playing pre 1865 buff hunter, and I have almost a dozen brass cartridges for the sharps heheheheh as well as paper
Cartridges for both....

But version 2 is a lot lighter and quicker on the reloads..... and the carbine is very accurate out to 100 yds, and so light you might question the weight of a win 73 ....

And then. I still need a large knife, a small knife, a folding knife, a belt axe or hawk, brass compass, cartridge boxes .....
Oh, and lunch! And a canteen.
And my hat
And vest
And stuff.

And then there is the perennial question: boots , brogues, or moccasins?


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Re: Scenario: If You could take only two black powder guns camping
« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2018, 12:06:34 pm »
Going camping?

Some of you guys are loaded up fit for D-Day.   :o
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Re: Scenario: If You could take only two black powder guns camping
« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2018, 06:18:36 pm »
Going camping?

Some of you guys are loaded up fit for D-Day.   :o

Ah My Good Forty!

once I became the designated pack-mule for She Who Must Be obeyed, almost everything except the long gun and the axe became
standard equipage for any outing.... especially lunch and drinks....

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Re: Scenario: If You could take only two black powder guns camping
« Reply #30 on: July 11, 2018, 09:29:28 pm »
Down here?  Most likely be my 45 smoke wagon, with a 100 rounds of ammo.  Rifle?  Only real 4 leg threat is wild dogs or the occasional wild pig, both pretty rare in these parts.  Meth heads, on the other hand.  It'd be a toss up between my 1860 Henry, in 45 Colt, or my 1876 NWMP in 45-75, and about a hundred rounds for the rifle.  Or maybe my Garand with a bandoleer of clips.
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Re: Scenario: If You could take only two black powder guns camping
« Reply #31 on: July 11, 2018, 11:57:48 pm »
Going camping?

Some of you guys are loaded up fit for D-Day.   :o

Interesting how everyone focussed on the protection part ! The woods is full o boogeymans eh!


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Re: Scenario: If You could take only two black powder guns camping
« Reply #32 on: July 12, 2018, 08:18:15 am »
I actually have to be Honest and more forthright.  Straight up, here it is.  My personal version of primitive camping is a Holiday Inn Express.  I actually prefer a Hilton Suite.  Simple amenities like an ensuite  Wine Cooler for drinks and a 4K Big Screen.  Oh, and a lobby lever Bar and perhaps a close in Steak House.   8)  

With those services in mind, I seldom if ever felt the need to pack in my own food nor set a Camp Fire for warmth.  I haven't encountered any critters in years.  And ..... Room Service.  Marvelous innovation.  I realize how tough it sounds, but somebody has to do it !!  ::)

Packing Iron seems ... so ... superfluous.  Although I do tote a 1911 everywhere I go.  Just for comfort, understand  :D
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Re: Scenario: If You could take only two black powder guns camping
« Reply #33 on: July 12, 2018, 09:10:48 am »
Going camping?

Some of you guys are loaded up fit for D-Day.   :o

Valid point, with that in mind, it probably depends on where I'm camping. If it's in my normal neck of the woods, my .45 SAA repro would work. Or my 1851 Navy repro. If it's somewhere with more dangerous wilde life or closer to the bad stretches of our southern border, then I'll stick with my previous answer.
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Re: Scenario: If You could take only two black powder guns camping
« Reply #34 on: July 12, 2018, 12:45:44 pm »
Interesting how everyone focussed on the protection part ! The woods is full o boogeymans eh!


No Boogey man where I camp , we do have black bear and mt. lion but they pose very little danger even when they come around camp , and they do very often . Its the drug cartels and human trafficker's , and the fact that help is hrs. away for the added concern I my case . Picked up trail cam pics of thirteen on my property less than 600yd. from my house two nights ago. Camping in the bend is different than some places.,,,,DT

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Re: Scenario: If You could take only two black powder guns camping
« Reply #35 on: July 12, 2018, 01:37:48 pm »
The OP only suggests, "primitive camping" and "hand loaded BP" rounds for "personal protection", for "individual or family".
Depending on where you may live, and the type of camping you may or may not be use to can account for the many different replies to this post.
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Re: Scenario: If You could take only two black powder guns camping
« Reply #36 on: July 12, 2018, 01:59:30 pm »
A lot of fantasy at work here .....

I'd take my bomb proof Stoeger 'Uplander' 12 ga SxS or my Shiloh 50-70 carbine - or both. They work evwry time.

Can't pack a handgun due to our stupid gun laws. You have to be a criminal to do that.
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Re: Scenario: If You could take only two black powder guns camping
« Reply #37 on: July 12, 2018, 06:29:52 pm »
A lot of fantasy at work here .....

I'd take my bomb proof Stoeger 'Uplander' 12 ga SxS or my Shiloh 50-70 carbine - or both. They work evwry time.

Can't pack a handgun due to our stupid gun laws. You have to be a criminal to do that.

Cant use a firearms of any sort to defend yourself due to our stoopid laws - you become a criminal if you attempt to do that!!

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Re: Scenario: If You could take only two black powder guns camping
« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2018, 11:31:26 am »
Too true, Blue, but if you use a long gun, you're slightly better off.

You CAN defend yourself with a gun in Kanuckistan, but it's going to be a very expensive court battle to prove it. Beats the hell out of the alternative where you wish you had blown the bad guy to hell who was on the street before you were.

Lately there have been a couple of court decisions in favour of the shooter who was defending his home and property against unlawful trespass and threat to life. The public is starting to wake up.
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Re: Scenario: If You could take only two black powder guns camping
« Reply #39 on: August 24, 2018, 09:14:53 am »
Interesting discussion/scenarios.
In my case, I do plan to camp someday at my GG Uncle's Montana homestead site.
Will have my canvas pyramid tent & old tyme camp gear. Likely have an assortment of old firearms on hand.
If only TWO, would be my 71/2" 1873 (440-40) & 1876 (45-60). Add a third item & it would be 1866 Carbine (44-40).
All loaded with black powder.

If my wife makes the trip, I reckon she'll be holed up at the nearest motel  ???
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Re: Scenario: If You could take only two black powder guns camping
« Reply #40 on: August 24, 2018, 01:30:25 pm »

Upon reflection.  Primitive Camping.  Ok, I'm in.  Motel 6.  I consider Motel 6 primitive.  Not normally located in Savoryville.  So my selection for BP arms would have to be amended.  Model '97, BP rounds loaded with Buck Shot.  Large Buck Shot.  Most anything is going to take place close up, so we're still talking about my 1911.  In this case, rounds loaded with 3f and a 200Gr Hollow Point.  Should do.

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Re: Scenario: If You could take only two black powder guns camping
« Reply #41 on: August 24, 2018, 09:56:48 pm »
If it's Motel 6 I might have to add a can of bug spray.

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Re: Scenario: If You could take only two black powder guns camping
« Reply #42 on: October 17, 2018, 11:11:17 am »
Hmmm, 1873 Uberti in .38-40 and Springfield Trapdoor in .45-70.

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Re: Scenario: If You could take only two black powder guns camping
« Reply #43 on: October 17, 2018, 03:04:24 pm »
I vote with Coffinmaker. Holiday Inn Express fits me just fine.
In seven years of US Army I spent enough days "camping out" with the chef would present a selection of C-ration canned goodies and not a speck of Bearnaise sauce in sight...how disgusting.
My firearms selection usually consisted of an M1 Garand or an M1 carbine and a bandolier of  clips.

However, getting back on subjec,t I would select a percussion Sharps .54 caliber carbine with  a hand full of  paper cartridges and caps along with  a couple of 1860 Colt .44 caliber revolvers loaded 6 beans in the wheel and capped.
Ay least that is my opinion I may be wrong.

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Re: Scenario: If You could take only two black powder guns camping
« Reply #44 on: October 17, 2018, 04:57:22 pm »

Awright Awready.   ::). Seeing as how we are actually sticking to TWO Black Powder guns on our camping trip ..... I' ll go with my Uberti '73 Trapper Rifle, set up for C45S and a big bag of Suppositories for it, and a cartridge converted 1860 so I can feed em the same ammunition.  Bigger bag of Suppositories.

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Re: Scenario: If You could take only two black powder guns camping
« Reply #45 on: October 17, 2018, 05:30:19 pm »
I think a '63 Sharps would be a poor choice. Why? If you don't tear down and clean the breechblock after even one one shot, you risk the breechblock seizing, the flash hole clean out screw at least.

This is not something I would care to do in the field. After a day at the range with my .50  '63s (a carbine and a Military Rifle), I look forward to a couple of hours of breechblock cleaning.  If you are foraging for food, you will be firing a few shots at grouse, whatever.
That means cleaning.

Likewise for cap & ball revolvers. Way cool and oh, so romantic to pot a grouse or bunny with your .44, but a after a few shots, we have the cleaning issue.

I too did a lot of "camping" while in uniform when on field exercises. On occasion that meant crawling under a parked vehicle to get out of the rain to sleep. I knew it was time to move when the vehicle started up.

Now I step out of the door and I'm in hunting country. I flush grouse when walking the dogs, spook the occasional deer and bear and watch a cow moose foraging in the weeds across the lake twice a day. I have a moose draw so I'm hoping that Bullwinkle pays her a visit while it is valid.

I'd like to take a moose with one of my Sharps rifles, likely one of my 45-70s. I'll go prone with x-stix as it's 225-250,yards to where he'd show up courting the cow.
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Re: Scenario: If You could take only two black powder guns camping
« Reply #46 on: October 17, 2018, 08:27:55 pm »
I do like to pot squirrels and armidillo's out on the farm with my 51 Navy.  (in the correct .36 caliber)  I eat the squirrels, the buzzards eat the dillo's.
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Re: Scenario: If You could take only two black powder guns camping
« Reply #47 on: October 17, 2018, 09:45:33 pm »
PJ
My Sharps carbine has the Hahn Machine Works conversion to the chamber and breech block and it can easily get 20 to 30rounds aimed  fire down range with no problems.
After that a quick squirt of Ballistol around the breech block and I am ready for more shooting. I am not sure how a 450 grain bullet moving at about 1200 ft/sec would affect a threat wearing soft body armor but I expect it would slow them down to a crawl.
As far as 4 legged threats are concerned that should be sufficient for most occasions.
If not check out the 4 bore stopping double rifles on Forgotten Weapons. A small round ball weighing 1750 grains propelled by a "light" charge of 825 grains of black powder. The slug was considerably heavier. with more powder.
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Re: Scenario: If You could take only two black powder guns camping
« Reply #48 on: October 18, 2018, 02:39:57 pm »
Five rds or fifty, you have the same cleaning issue. That means stripping the block and removing the flash hole screw.

Prying up the gas plate on my 63's requires a pair of thin bladed screwdrivers. I usually do that at home with the block held in the padded jaws of a vise.

I've often wondered how Berdan's Sharpshooters coped in the era, cleaning under field conditions.
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Re: Scenario: If You could take only two black powder guns camping
« Reply #49 on: October 19, 2018, 11:55:14 am »
Hi PJ,
this is not a paid advertisement but check this site. I am just a very satisfied customer.
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That sliding sleeve is swaged in place, the paper cutter breech face is also attached to the breech block and my experience when using his paper tubes is minimal cleaning is required to keep shooting. A spritz of Ballistol or a fast spray of original Pam kitchen non stick oil every 20 or 30 rounds keeps my Sharps shooting with no problems. If a piece of the burnt tube is left in the chamber just stick in another round and keep on shooting.
With this conversion there is almost no gas escape and that is why the breech block stays clean.
At least that is my experience with my Pedersoli Sharps. YMMV
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