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Oldest shotgun?
« on: June 09, 2018, 02:43:10 PM »
What is the oldest known shotgun?

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Re: Oldest shotgun?
« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2018, 03:08:04 PM »
 
At some point between the 9th and 11th Century.  Prior to the introduction of the rifled barrel, everything was technically a shotgun.  Early smooth bore Cannon were in actuality "Shotguns."  Really BIG shotguns, but shotguns none the less.  That's painting it with a broad brush however it is what it is.

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Re: Oldest shotgun?
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2018, 10:20:38 AM »
Look up the history of wildfowl hunting.  (Mostly ground sluicing until the French came up with decent flint locks and guns light enough to carry and swing.)
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Re: Oldest shotgun?
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2018, 04:47:43 PM »

At some point between the 9th and 11th Century.  Prior to the introduction of the rifled barrel, everything was technically a shotgun.  Early smooth bore Cannon were in actuality "Shotguns."  Really BIG shotguns, but shotguns none the less.  That's painting it with a broad brush however it is what it is.
I should have been more specific. Shell loaded shotgun might be more appropriate 

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Re: Oldest shotgun?
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2018, 06:06:01 PM »

Westley Richards.  1875.  First Breach loading shotgun using self-contained cartridges.  They were All Brass.

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Re: Oldest shotgun?
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2018, 11:52:54 PM »
Westley Richards.  1875.  First Breach loading shotgun using self-contained cartridges.  They were All Brass.

Ah My Dear Coffin -

I would submit that the first would be the  Lefaucheaux  pinfire shotguns of the late 1830's .....

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Re: Oldest shotgun?
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2018, 05:13:07 AM »
My take would be .... Samuel Johannes Pauli

He patented the first breech loading shotgun cartridge in 1812.
Pauly was a Swiss, while living in Paris, invented the lifting breech block shotgun in association with weapon manufacturer of Saint-Étienne and French gunsmith François Prélat.

Casimir Lefaucheux then improved upon the design in 1832.
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Re: Oldest shotgun?
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2018, 10:57:51 AM »
Lefaucheux guns are still around as licenced copies. Husqvarna obtained the rights to produce them in 1875. They were made as pinfire's back then but rapidly switched to center fire and manufactured right up to the mid- 20th century. Sad to say my go-to reference site to Husqvarna sporting firearms has dropped out of sight.
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Re: Oldest shotgun?
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2018, 03:46:40 PM »

Sir Charles,
Most unfortunate .... Husqvarna Sporting Firearms has dodo'd.  Very gone.  Not even making parts.  I have a Nice Husky hammer double coach gun which I need a lock for.  The only parts are in someone else's guns.  Boo Hoo.

The Husqvarna model 20 Under Lever is a copy of the LeFaucheux.  Those are nice guns too.  Mine is a Top Lever M50.  I am tempted to source a "parts gun" to get my locks but price of a suitable parts gun is a bit expensive.

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Re: Oldest shotgun?
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2018, 05:39:04 PM »
Sir Charles,
Most unfortunate .... Husqvarna Sporting Firearms has dodo'd.  Very gone.  Not even making parts.  I have a Nice Husky hammer double coach gun which I need a lock for.  The only parts are in someone else's guns.  Boo Hoo.

The Husqvarna model 20 Under Lever is a copy of the LeFaucheux.  Those are nice guns too.  Mine is a Top Lever M50.  I am tempted to source a "parts gun" to get my locks but price of a suitable parts gun is a bit expensive.

Ah my dear coffin

The solution is obvious ... take apart the lock you have, use your confuserator to make mirror images, then run them down to the CNC or 3D printer shop to make them!

Of course it will cost more than another complete husky, but ......

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Re: Oldest shotgun?
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2018, 10:01:58 AM »
What is GONE is the best resource on Husqvarna firearms and their history;       http://www.skydevaaben.com/

If anyone has copies of any part of it I'd be obliged.

The manufacture of these guns has ceased long ago.

Here is the best source of info currently available;

 https://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?1037093-Help-finding-website-listing-Husqvarna-long-gun-models-and-dates-of-production
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Re: Oldest shotgun?
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2018, 03:04:29 PM »
Without being specific, I would say unless you are considering things like the blunderbuss, early or mid 1800s shows the first cartridge based or "modern" shotgun to the best of my knowledge.

 

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