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« Reply #25 on: June 02, 2019, 11:28:22 am »
Col. Sagebrush, that's the plan.

Books, I wish I could and I probably should have bought yours but for now this is the only one I can afford.

How about you come up and help me to learn how to shoot it? I understand the basics, having shot muzzleloading rifles and pistols, but I know there's a difference between loading and shooting them and a cannon and I want to learn the right way


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« Reply #26 on: June 02, 2019, 04:37:52 pm »
Are you transferring from the Infantry to Artillery?
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« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2019, 06:15:32 am »
Are you transferring from the Infantry to Artillery?
Well, I haven't decided. Maybe, but I was thinking more in terms of the Cavalry. The reason I wanted the howitzer was that in 1865 Col. Cole's column of the Powder River Expedition probably crossed my land. (if not, they were certainly very close to it) His column was comprised mostly of the 12th Missouri Cavalry. They had a pair of the mountain howitzers with them because it had been necessary to use them to quell a mutiny before they left Omaha.


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« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2019, 06:17:57 am »
Col Pitspitr:
What is the bore diameter?
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Re: I need partners...
« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2019, 06:25:15 am »




Were did you find the Japanese Nuclear Mini Sub ?    ;D
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« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2019, 07:58:47 am »
If I could find a size 48 CW Artillery shell jacket cheap, I might buy it

Shucks...mine's a 42....I wore it to Ackley years ago.  I may bring it up this Muster in case you recruit a crew.  It's got Captain's bars on it.  I have the M1840 Light Arty saber, as well.  I need to bring up all my old uniforms and stuff.  Many have shrunk over the years.
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« Reply #31 on: June 04, 2019, 09:02:26 am »



Were did you find the Japanese Nuclear Mini Sub ?    ;D
;D It took me a little while
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« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2019, 09:03:46 am »
Many have shrunk over the years.
I can relate. The frustrating thing is that it seems like the longer I own them the faster the shrinkage accelerates!  ::)
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« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2019, 11:48:35 am »
I can relate. The frustrating thing is that it seems like the longer I own them the faster the shrinkage accelerates!  ::)

Apparently a universal problem ...   :-\
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« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2019, 03:33:36 pm »
So, Jerry, does the US Army commonly use plain ole Cavalry Horses to pull that or are ya Buyin' Clydesdale's?  I haven't looked it up, but the local Rebel Artillery all went to a class. I work with one of them who also shoots Buffalo Rifles.  You want me to see what I can find out?

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Re: I need partners...
« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2019, 06:40:34 pm »
Mountain Howitzers typically carried on mules, one with barrel, one with carriage, one with wheels, & 1 or 2 with ammo. Easier to move on rough terrain.
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« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2019, 10:36:28 pm »
Actually, all of the period illustrations of U.S. Mountain Howitzers that I have seen show them packed on a total of three animals - one carrying the barrel and shafts, another carrying the carriage and wheels, and the third carrying ammunition chests - 



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« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2019, 10:52:56 pm »
There was also a "Prairie Carriage" permitting the gun to be pulled behind a limber drawn by a team of horses, where terrain permitted -

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« Reply #38 on: June 05, 2019, 04:48:43 am »
Mine the first model prairie carriage
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Re: I need partners...
« Reply #39 on: June 05, 2019, 10:08:55 am »
Rattlesnakejack
Just wondering if the "EMPIRE" would have bought U.S.  Parrot rifles for their artillery back in the day?
The Brits had plenty of their own design.

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« Reply #40 on: June 05, 2019, 10:18:38 am »
Either carriage should be adequate for the Martini or the Snyder...
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« Reply #41 on: June 05, 2019, 02:28:59 pm »
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Just wondering if the "EMPIRE" would have bought U.S.  Parrot rifles for their artillery back in the day?
The Brits had plenty of their own design.

No ... as you say, Britain had plenty of their own patterns (many of which were imported by the USA and CSA during the "Unpleasantness").  Canadian field artillery of the era my group portray (1885) mostly used the British 9 Pounder RML (Rifled Muzzle-Loading) gun and, to a lesser extent, 7 Pounder RML.  We got a ? scale reproduction Parrott Rifle barrel for our full-size carriage because it was the closest facsimile we could get to the appearance of a 9pdr barrel - it is shorter than a 9pdr barrel, whereas a full-scale one would have been longer.  The weight differential was the deciding factor for us, rather than price - in fact, we had already ordered a full-scale barrel but then we had second thoughts about ease of loading, unloading and field movement of the gun, and changed our order.  (Our barrel came from Hern Iron Works in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho.)

Here is a Canadian 9pdr RML gun detachment on service in during the 1885 North-West Rebellion -



And we have access to the "right up to date" Canadian Field Artillery manual -

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« Reply #42 on: June 05, 2019, 03:08:16 pm »
Mine the first model prairie carriage

You'll need a limber and team of horses then, General!

 ;D

We have actually demonstrated a few times with horses ... although not too much, since hauling them, and hooking up and all that is  not practical at most venues ... and too much of a hassle, really ...  IIRC we have only done it with our "small" gun (a half-scale representation of a 9pdr) but not since we completed the large gun, so I don't have any photos of the full-size gun hooked up with the limber and horses. 

This was at Fort Walsh National Historic Site -



And these were tkenat the Calgary Stampede a few years ago -

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« Reply #43 on: June 06, 2019, 07:11:30 am »
Anybody need scale drawings for a 12pdr. Whitworth?
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« Reply #44 on: June 13, 2019, 04:48:40 pm »
Remind me to throw it in the car and I will bring a lb. of black to donate.

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« Reply #45 on: June 13, 2019, 06:05:48 pm »
Remind me to throw it in the car and I will bring a lb. of black to donate.

Throw what in, John?
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« Reply #46 on: June 13, 2019, 09:37:13 pm »
I sorry, me English no good.

Reminder to bring a pound of black powder before I leave for The Muster as a donation to Jerry's howitzer project.




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« Reply #47 on: June 30, 2019, 07:00:08 pm »
You know anyone with a LARGE Lathe that can bore that out to the proper size for a 12 pounder?
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« Reply #48 on: June 30, 2019, 11:48:35 pm »
That would destroy it,  those tubes are ornamental sand casted iron with 2.5 " about 3/8 wall steel liner & welded breach.
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« Reply #49 on: July 01, 2019, 07:17:27 am »
You know anyone with a LARGE Lathe that can bore that out to the proper size for a 12 pounder?

A regular 12pounder field gun (1841 howitzer) had a cylindrical bore of 4 5/8". 

A 12-pdr Whitworth only had a bore of 2.75", but the bolt was 9.75" in length.  The trick is getting the bore hexagonal in shape, not cylindrical.
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