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Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
« Reply #80 on: February 05, 2024, 01:22:44 PM »
Hmmm. Just posted in the Clone forum that my new three-click Uberti Model P is giving quite a few light strikes. Cimarron advises that I am not pulling the trigger correctly. Odd to start pulling triggers incorrectly after 70 years doing it.

Eh  :-\ I saw your other post, and the reply you got from "someone" at Cimarron suggesting "Transfer Bar"? on you Model P....  I'm not accepting that you are "not pulling the trigger correctly" response.

I know Ruger has Transfer Bar's, some Pietta & GW II's do as well.
 Taurus Gaucho's old models & the new ones being reintroduced a Shot 2024 also have transfer bars.
The once Uberti made Beretta Stampede had transfer bars. West German JP Sauer's had transfer bars.
 These are fundamentally different mechanical interference hammer strike functions.   

May be semantics, BUT is that what "they" call the Uberti designed internal hammer floating firing pin ?

I've read where...
* a burr inside the hammer was the issue causing the internals to bind.
* Heavier main spring solved the issue.
* Lube was the answer
or to replace the safety 3 click hammer with the original design 4 click hammer.

I'm glad Cimarron will look to repair your issue.




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Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
« Reply #81 on: February 05, 2024, 02:44:31 PM »
Eh  :-\ I saw your other post, and the reply you got from "someone" at Cimarron suggesting "Transfer Bar"? on you Model P....  I'm not accepting that you are "not pulling the trigger correctly" response.

I know Ruger has Transfer Bar's, some Pietta & GW II's do as well.
 Taurus Gaucho's old models & the new ones being reintroduced a Shot 2024 also have transfer bars.
The once Uberti made Beretta Stampede had transfer bars. West German JP Sauer's had transfer bars.
 These are fundamentally different mechanical interference hammer strike functions.   

May be semantics, BUT is that what "they" call the Uberti designed internal hammer floating firing pin ?

I've read where...
* a burr inside the hammer was the issue causing the internals to bind.
* Heaver main spring solved the issue.
* Lube was the answer
or to replace the safety 3 click hammer with the original design 4 click hammer.

I'm glad Cimarron will look to repair your issue.

I had the floating firing pin and replaced the hammer and trigger with one from Taylor's & Co.

https://www.taylorsfirearms.com/shop.html

Works fine and turns your gun from a 3 click to a 4 click as well.

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Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
« Reply #82 on: February 05, 2024, 02:47:38 PM »
I had the floating firing pin and replaced the hammer and trigger with one from Taylor's & Co.

https://www.taylorsfirearms.com/shop.html

Works fine and turns your gun from a 3 click to a 4 click as well.

https://www.taylorsfirearms.com/1873-cattleman-original-style-4-click-parts.html

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Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
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Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
« Reply #83 on: February 05, 2024, 07:01:53 PM »
ALL of my SAA revolvers have the floating firing pin except for the Ruger Vaquero. The only one that ever gave any trouble is the Pietta and it took only about 10 rounds to cause it to misfire. I gerry-rigged the hammer and firing pin to take out the excess "float" and now it works, but I am not happy with it.

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Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
« Reply #84 on: February 05, 2024, 09:42:30 PM »
Okay, I have a problem with the title of this topic.  Despite the topic title, most of the discussion has been regarding the "retractible" or "telescoping" firing pin system, aka the Cattleman II, aka 3-clickers.  The term floating firing pin actually refers to the firing pins in all of the current reproductions, as well as all the Colts other than 1st gen.  They move around a bit, you can wiggle them.  Totally normal.  And they should never cause problems on their own, although Froogal apparently owns an exception to that rule.  So the retractable firing pin safety thingie is not floating firing pin, although it sorta is because it wiggles a little, too, but overall a different animal.  Okay, rant over.  I just cringe a little every time I see the title again.  :)

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Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
« Reply #85 on: February 05, 2024, 10:58:58 PM »
Eh  :-\ I saw your other post, and the reply you got from "someone" at Cimarron suggesting "Transfer Bar"? on you Model P....  I'm not accepting that you are "not pulling the trigger correctly" response.

I know Ruger has Transfer Bar's, some Pietta & GW II's do as well.
 Taurus Gaucho's old models & the new ones being reintroduced a Shot 2024 also have transfer bars.
The once Uberti made Beretta Stampede had transfer bars. West German JP Sauer's had transfer bars.
 These are fundamentally different mechanical interference hammer strike functions.   

May be semantics, BUT is that what "they" call the Uberti designed internal hammer floating firing pin ?

I've read where...
* a burr inside the hammer was the issue causing the internals to bind.
* Heavier main spring solved the issue.
* Lube was the answer
or to replace the safety 3 click hammer with the original design 4 click hammer.

I'm glad Cimarron will look to repair your issue.

Transfer bar might actually be a good way of describing the function of Uberti's system.  When the action is operated, a bar connected to the trigger rises up into position to transfer the force of the falling hammer to the firing pin, as seen in this video from Uberti:


That is the same function as the transfer bar on a Ruger, but the bar and firing pin are both carried in the hammer, making for a very different appearance.  And yes, the details are certainly different, but I can see why they'd call it a transfer bar.

It's an interesting concept, but it seems to be a challenge to implement, and I'm not sure why they thought they needed it.  Maybe if subcompact 9mm pistols all need to be double-stack these days, they thought an increase in everyday capacity from 5 rounds to 6 would be a big selling point in today's market?

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Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
« Reply #86 on: February 06, 2024, 01:32:11 AM »
Firing pin enabler?
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Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
« Reply #87 on: February 06, 2024, 02:18:50 AM »
When you were to buy your new Cattleman II at HEGE in Germany they will offer to exchange the hammer/trigger against pieces of traditional production, free of charge.
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Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
« Reply #88 on: February 06, 2024, 06:12:12 AM »




Uberti - Cattleman II - Retractable Firing Pin 
"retractable" or "telescoping" firing pin system,    OK

"Transfer bar "?  :-\


The video does show how pulling the trigger fully thru could affect the function  :-\
It's actually a clever bit of engineering, if functioning as designed.

a headache if it does not.... 
   






   

 
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Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
« Reply #89 on: February 06, 2024, 06:56:21 AM »
I agree, it's certainly not what we think of!

But it's close enough that I can see why they'd try to call it the same thing.  It's not lying, just dishonest.    ;D

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Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
« Reply #90 on: February 07, 2024, 07:54:10 AM »
My Model P shot well yesterday -- 40 rounds without an issue. Thinking it might have just needed some breaking in.

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Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
« Reply #91 on: February 07, 2024, 10:22:16 AM »
I have Colt SAA's and I have a Uberti with the retractable firing pin system. The Uberti has three clicks, all the Colts have four. I did buy the Taylors hammer and trigger kit for my Uberti. Mine also has the coil spring for the hand. I took the revolver all apart and ended up reassembling it as it was originally. The coil spring was daunting to say the least.

Other than the number of clicks I don't think you would be able to tell any difference.

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Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
« Reply #92 on: February 07, 2024, 11:57:23 AM »



Uberti - Cattleman II - Retractable Firing Pin 
"retractable"

Retractable Firing Pin  -  Yeah!      ;)
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Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
« Reply #93 on: February 07, 2024, 12:55:57 PM »
Call it retractable, or call it floating. Really make no difference because if it floats too much, or retracts too much, you WILL experience some mis-fires.

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Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
« Reply #94 on: February 07, 2024, 06:06:29 PM »
While I admit to not reading every response in this thread, I will say that Uberti has made some models with a "Floating firing pin", mounted in the frame, not the retractable one....Taylors hadd brought them in....I know because I saw some Taylor's revolvers listed on Grab a Gun at a really good price point, but there was something off in the picture.....finally contacted Taylors andf aske dif this particular model had a floating firing pin, mounted in the frame, and was told it was.......not sure they still bring them in, but they were priced good.......they looked like the old Beretta guns.

 

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