Need help Kirst or R&D conversion

[Jubel]

Looks like Texas Jack is in the conversion business that is if'n ya shoot Uberti. They handle the R&D gated for 1851/61s and the  dropin by Kirst for rhe Remmie. 

http://www.texasjacks.com/BlkPowder/UbertiBlkPowder.htm

[Yankee John]

I have just purchased a used Remington Kirst Konversion (coming shortly from a pard here),  so I'll let you know how it works after I get it.

I already have a Remington R&D and it works flawlessly on all counts.

John

[Halfway Creek Charlie]

To date I have 2 "58's(and the third enroute) and one Kirst 44 Rem 6 shot converter that fits flawlessly in each gun, out of the box, and the exchange easier than the BP cylinders do. One pistol is a 2005 and one a 2002. This is because Walt machines a channel to pass the hand, Great idea. I ported both frames and the Kirst recoil shield as I'm not interested in swapping out the cylinders from or to C & B on the fly.
Now I'm going to need 2 more Kirst Konvertors.

[Pappy Hayes]

Old Dragon what ammo are you shootin? Did you have the barrels sleeved?

[Halfway Creek Charlie]

Pappy,
I'm shooting the original 44 Rem. loading of the 44 Colt, for original and modern Remington and Colt 44 Conversions.
This NOT the same as 44 Colt available from Black Hills or others, that round has a.430 drive band( I have about 400 of them and can't use them with this pistol)
This is a 44 Colt brass, 30 grns Bp pushing a 248 Grn X .451 Dia Drivebands, outside lubed RNFP with a .429 dia. heel with a crimp groove. This is, and was the original 44 Rem, 44 CF load for44 Colt and Remington Conversions. Remington discontinued this cartridge in 1895. Old Weat Moulds has re-introduced it
No sleeved bbl. This is very accurate.
Old West Moulds has the bullets by the box with 5.0 Grns Smokeless or the components, crimper, Moulds and luber/sizer, etc. Everything to set you up to load this cartridge.

Halfway Creek Charlie
AKA Old Dragoon

[tmea]

I just went through the same decision for my 58 Remington.  I chose the R&D because of its (apparent) ability to safely chamber six cartrages by using the safety notch and locking the cylinder out of battery (notches are pictured on the R&D advertising same as the factory remington C&B cylinder).  I received my R&D cylinder but it has no safety notches in the backplate.  They stopped cutting them in somtime ago.  This no doubt due to CAS rules  but it completely negates the advantage of the Remington design.  The cylinder appears to be very well made but in my opinion the deltion of the safety notches removes its primary advantage over the Kirst for the 58 Remington.  It is a coin toss in my opinion both appear to be very well made.  The R&D howver with six chambers and no safety notches to facilitate using all of them is in my opinion a waste of money and machining.

Tom

[SFT]

Kirst first; my .02.