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Bayonets (photos fixed)
« on: August 02, 2015, 06:19:35 pm »
Well I added this as a reply to a thread over in the SASS Saloon started by Utah Bob he titled Pointy Things.  Wanted to share it for yall here.  

Hey Bob thought I post photos of the knife pointy things I've got in my collection.  Oh and I've got the items these all attach to, except the last one.   ;D
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US Military Knife Bayonets
08/02/2015
 
Spanish American War

•   Winchester 1895 Lee Navy (8" bright) undated, Wood handle, leather scabbard
   
•   Krag 1892 (11-1/2"  blue) Springfield, dated 1894, Wood handle
   
•   Krag 1892 (11-1/2" bright) Springfield, dated 1897, Wood handle, 1892 metal scabbard




World War 1

•   Model 1905 (16" bright) Springfield, dated 1909, Wood handle, 1910 repro canvas covered wood scabbard
   
•   Model 1917 (17" bright) Remington, dated 1917, Wood handle, leather scabbard
   
•   Ross Mark I 1907 (10" bright) Ross, undated  [US surcharged], Wood handle, leather scabbard



 
World War 2


•   USN Mark 1 (16" plastic) training bayonet, not dated, Plastic handle, USN MK 1 scabbard
   
•   Model 1942 (16" blue) PAL, dated 1942, Plastic handle, M3 composite scabbard
   
•   M1 (10" blue) Utica, not dated, Plastic handle, M7 composite scabbard
   
•   Johnson 1941 (8" blue) Johnson, not dated, No handle, Leather scabbard
   
•   M4 (6.75" blue) Utica, not dated, Leather handle, M8A1 composite scabbard



 
 
Korean War and Vietnam War

•   M4 (6.75" blue) TMW, not dated, Plastic handle, M8A1 composite scabbard  
   
•   M5A1 (6.75" blue) Milpar Col, not dated, Plastic handle, M8A1 composite scabbard  
   
•   M6 (6.75" blue) Milpar Col, not dated, Plastic handle, M8A1 composite scabbard
   
•   M7 (6.75" blue) Imperial "Colt", not dated, Plastic handle, M8A1 composite scabbard
   
•   M7 (6.75" blue) BOC, not dated, Plastic handle, M8A1 composite scabbard


 
 
1990 to Current

•   M7 (6.75" blue) BOC, not dated, Plastic handle, M10 plastic scabbard
   
•   M9 (7" bright) Phrobis, not dated, Plastic handle, Plastic scabbard
   
•   M9 (7" blue) Onterio, not dated, Plastic handle, Plastic scabbard
   
•   OKC35 (8" blue) Onterio, not dated [USMC], Plastic handle, Plastic scabbard

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Re: Bayonets
« Reply #1 on: August 02, 2015, 08:41:40 pm »
Looks to me like beginning with the M-9, they decided to make something that was primarily useful as a knife, that could also be attached to a rifle, unlike the earlier ones that were designed as a weapon for the end of a rifle, and any real usefulness as a knife was pretty much by accident...

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Re: Bayonets
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2015, 09:48:37 pm »



Looks to me like beginning with the M-9, they decided to make something that was primarily useful as a knife................

Yes! But do you really think it actually started with the M9? Or was there......... maybe............ a much earlier US bayonet that was much the same type of blade as those last three? ;)





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Re: Bayonets
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2015, 10:23:11 pm »
Well, there's the Krag Bowie bayonet-but it seems for some reason they didn't catch on too well. Regular Krag bayonets, and most of the Springfield variations that followed were way to thick to make a good knife.

Side note: I have found one good use for a Krag bayonet-when I make firewood out of thorny locust trees, it works well to skin the thorns off it, so I don't get poked feeding the fire.

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Re: Bayonets
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2015, 12:40:22 pm »




Oh that is a fine collection of bayonets there!


Well, there's the Krag Bowie bayonet-but it seems for some reason they didn't catch on too well.



Look at the end of my Krag in the avatar ;) They are a great field knife, but I wouldn't want to use it for it's purpose as an entrenching tool!!

They should'a had Rambo movies back then-then they'da caught on! We called the M9 a "Rambo Bayonet"! That thick blade snapped off the hollow handle too easily and the Marines deep six'd it. The latest Marine bayonet pictured there is very sharp out of the box and virtually grunt proof-at the cost of being very heavy!

Personally, I like the M5, 6 and 7. They are tough as nails and light. Not as "cool" as the earlier or later ones tho :D





Side note: I have found one good use for a Krag bayonet-when I make firewood out of thorny locust trees, it works well to skin the thorns off it, so I don't get poked feeding the fire.

Yes, I noticed you don't have a lot of trees out that way-gotta burn what you got! ;D



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Re: Bayonets
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2015, 09:06:52 pm »
Oh, we got a lotta trees! I'm in Missouri, not Nebraska. It's just that the darn things tend to take over the world around here, so-if I gotta keep cutting them, might as well burn them! But really, I think if I had a little dozer, or a bobcat(with tracks) I'd just cut the things and push them up in a big burn pile, and then go cut some oak for firewood. Have to have something with tracks, those thorns make short work of tractor tires!

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Re: Bayonets
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2015, 09:03:17 am »
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Re: Bayonets
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2015, 06:31:51 pm »
Hear tell Osage orange makes great bows

That's not common right in my immediate area( I don't think). What we got here is plain old thorny locust. Good for nothing except drawing blood, making flat tires, and, if you take time to skin the thorns off, firewood. Try to actually use the wood for anything, it'll be full of worm tunnels within a year.

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Re: Bayonets
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2015, 10:50:56 pm »
OK I've updated the bayonet/knife photos and information hope you enjoy.  I've started with reference books, socket bayonets, sword bayonets, then knife bayonets.  They are grouped by era and include identification of the bayonet and related scabbard.  Some are duplicates from before and some are additions to previous posted.

US Military Bayonets
10/25/2015


Bayonet Reference Books

•   American Socket Bayonets 1717 - 1873, by Donald B. Webster Jr.
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•   US Sword Bayonets 1847 - 1865, by Rollin V. Davis Jr.



•   American Socket Bayonets and Scabbards, by Robert M. Reilly
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•   The American Bayonet 1776 - 1964, by Albert N. Hardin Jr..




French & Indian War, Revolutionary War, and War of 1812 (1750-1812)

•   Dutch Type IIB, (11-1/2" blade) undated circa 1750, numbered to match musket, L-slot
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•   Plug bayonet (7” blade) undated, wood handle
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•   French 1763 modified to 1771 lug, (14" blade) undated, straight slot
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•   British Brown Bess (16” blade) undated, L-slot
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•   Model 1795 (14" blade) undated, L-slot
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•   Model 1795 (13” blade) undated, L-slot
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•   Model 1812 (14” blade) undated, L-slot, leather scabbard




War of 1812 up to Mexican American War (1815-1828)

•   Model 1815 (16" blade) undated, T-slot
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•   Model 1816 (16” blade) undated, T-slot, leather scabbard
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•   Model 1816 (16” blade) undated, T-slot
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•   Model 1819 Hall (16” blade) undated, L-slot
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•   Model 1819 Hall (16” blade) undated, L-slot
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•   Model 1819 Hall (16” blade) undated, L-slot, leather scabbard with shoulder strap
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•   Model 1822/28 (16” blade) undated, L-slot, browned finish




Mexican American War and Civil War (1840-1865)

•   Model 1840 (18" blade) undated, L-slot with locking clasp
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•   Model 1840 (18" blade) undated, L-slot with locking clasp
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•   Model 1842 (18" blade) undated, L-slot with locking clasp
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•   Model 1851 Cadet (16" blade) undated, L-slot with locking clasp
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•   Greene Rifle (18" blade) undated, straight slot with locking clasp, leather scabbard 2-rivit



•   Enfield 1853 (18" blade) undated, L-slot with locking clasp, leather scabbard with buff frog



•   Model 1855 (18" blade) undated, L-slot with locking clasp, leather scabbard 2-rivit
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•   Model 1855 (18" blade) undated, L-slot with locking clasp, leather scabbard 7-rivit
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•   Model 1855 (18" blade) undated, L-slot with locking clasp, leather scabbard 7-rivit
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•   Joslyn (20" blade) undated, L-slot with locking clasp, leather scabbard 7-rivit (20”)




Sword Bayonets (1841-1870)

•   Harpers Ferry 1841 Mississippi Rifle (20" blade) unmarked and undated
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•   Springfield 1847 Engineers Musketoon (21.5” blade) unmarked and undated
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•   Enfield 1853 Carbine (24" blade) S&K and undated
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•   NM 1859 Navy Sharps Rifle (20" blade) Collins & Hartford dated 1861
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•   1861 Whitney-Plymouth Navy Rifle (22” blade) Collins & Company, Hartford and undated
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•   Sharps & Hankins Rifle (20" blade) unmarked and dated 1861
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•   Merrill Navy Rifle (25" blade) unmarked and dated 1861
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•   1870 Navy Rolling Block (20" blade) Ames Mfg. Co. and dated 1870




Post-Civil War (1865-1872)

•   Model 1855 (18" blade) undated, L-slot with locking clasp, leather scabbard U.S escutcheon, back loop, 1865
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•   Model 1855 (18" blade) undated, L-slot with locking clasp
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•   Model 1855 (18" blade) undated, L-slot with locking clasp, metal scabbard short Hoffman, back loop, 1870
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•   Model 1855 (18" blade) undated, L-slot with locking clasp, metal scabbard experimental metal tabs
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•   Model 1855 (18" blade) undated, L-slot with locking clasp, metal scabbard long loop Hoffman, back loop, 1870
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•   Model 1855 (18" blade) undated, L-slot with locking clasp, metal scabbard long loop Hoffman, back loop, 1870
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•   Model 1855 (18" blade) undated, L-slot with locking clasp, metal scabbard plain escutcheon, back loop, 1870
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•   Model 1855 (18" blade) undated, L-slot with locking clasp, metal scabbard plain escutcheon, front loop, 1870




Post-Civil War (1873-1893)

•   Model 1873 (18" blade) undated, L-slot with locking clasp, metal scabbard U.S escutcheon, front loop, 1873
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•   Model 1873 (18" blade) undated, L-slot with locking clasp metal scabbard US escutcheon, front loop, 1874
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•   Model 1873 (18" blade) undated, L-slot with locking clasp, metal scabbard USN escutcheon
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•   Model 1855 (18" blade) undated, L-slot with locking clasp, metal scabbard USN escutcheon
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•   Remington (18" blade) undated, L-slot with locking clasp, metal scabbard USN escutcheon
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•   Model 1855 (18" blade) undated, L-slot with locking clasp, metal scabbard US escutcheon type 3 with metal loop, 1885
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•   Model 1873 (18" blade) undated, L-slot with locking clasp, metal scabbard US escutcheon, front loop, 1874 modified with wire hanger, 1885
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•   Model 1873 (18" blade) undated, L-slot with locking clasp, metal scabbard US escutcheon type 3 with metal loop, 1885
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•   Model 1855 (18" blade) undated, L-slot with locking clasp, metal scabbard USN escutcheon




 Spanish American War (1894-1903)

•   Winchester 1895 Lee Navy (8" bright) undated, Wood handle, leather scabbard
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•   Krag 1892 (11-1/2"  blue) Springfield, dated 1894, 1st Variation, Wood handle, Type 2 1896 metal scabbard
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•   Krag 1892 (11-1/2" bright) Springfield, dated 1897, 2nd Variation, Wood handle, Type 3 1899 metal scabbard
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•   Krag 1892 (11-1/2" bright) Springfield, dated 1903, 4th Variation, Wood handle, Type 4 1903 metal scabbard




World War 1 (1903-1917)

•   Model 1903 (16" bright) Springfield, dated 1909, Wood handle, 1910 repro canvas covered wood scabbard
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•   Model 1917 (17" bright) Remington, dated 1917, Wood handle, leather scabbard
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•   Ross Mark I 1907 (10" bright) Ross, undated  [US surcharged], Wood handle, leather scabbard



  
World War 2 (1942-1945)

•   USN Mark 1 (16" plastic) training bayonet, not dated, Plastic handle, USN MK 1 scabbard
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•   Model 1942 (16" blue) PAL, dated 1942, Plastic handle, M3 composite scabbard
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•   M1 (10" blue) Utica, not dated, Plastic handle, M7 composite scabbard
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•   Johnson 1941 (8" blue) Johnson, not dated, No handle, Leather scabbard
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•   M3 Knife (6.75" blue) Utica, not dated, Leather handle, M8 composite scabbard
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•   M4 (6.75" blue) Utica, not dated, Leather handle, M8A1 composite scabbard


 

Korean War and Vietnam War (1950-1975)

•   M4 (6.75" blue) TMW, not dated, Plastic handle, M8A1 composite scabbard  
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•   M5A1 (6.75" blue) Milpar Col, not dated, Plastic handle, M8A1 composite scabbard  
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•   M6 (6.75" blue) Milpar Col, not dated, Plastic handle, M8A1 composite scabbard
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•   M7 (6.75" blue) Imperial "Colt", not dated, Plastic handle, M8A1 composite scabbard
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•   M7 (6.75" blue) BOC, not dated, Plastic handle, M8A1 composite scabbard


 
 
Modern (1990 to Current)

•   M7 (6.75" blue) BOC, not dated, Plastic handle, M10 plastic scabbard
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•   M9 (7" bright) Phrobis, not dated, Plastic handle, Plastic scabbard
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•   M9 (7" blue) Onterio, not dated, Plastic handle, Plastic scabbard
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•   OKC35 (8" blue) Onterio, not dated [USMC], Plastic handle, Plastic scabbard





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Re: Bayonets (New additons reply starting #9)
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2017, 12:48:05 pm »
 Added some more Bayonets since my last update:

•   Model 1905 (16” bright) Springfield dated 1906, Wood handle, 1905 Leather scabbard with type 3 modification dated 1921 and belt hanger dated 1913  
 
 












•   Model 1912 Fencing Bayonet Leather covering  




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Re: Bayonets (New additons reply starting #9)
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2017, 12:50:45 pm »
•   M5 (6.75" blue) Imperial, not dated, Plastic handle, M8A1 composite scabbard  



•   Two Model 1905 (16” parkerized) one Springfield dated 1920, Wood handle, 1910 canvas covered wood scabbard, & one Springfield dated 1918, wood handle, 1939/40 USMC replacement canvas cover wood scabbard  





•   Two M1905E1 (10” parkerized) one AFH dated 1943, cut spear point by AFH, brown plastic handle, M3 modified to M7 composite scabbard, & one Wilde Tool, cut bowie point by UFH, black plastic handle, M7 composite scabbard    




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Re: Bayonets (New additons reply starting #9)
« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2017, 12:52:18 pm »
•   Two Model 1917 (17” bright) one Remington dated 1917, Wood handle, 1917 leather scabbard type 1 G&K, & one Winchester dated 1917, Wood handle, 1917 leather scabbard type 1 Jewel














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Re: Bayonets (New additons reply starting #9)
« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2017, 12:53:40 pm »
•   Two Model 1917 (17” parkerized) one Remington dated 1917, Wood handle, 1917 leather scabbard type 2, & one Remington dated 1918, Wood handle, M1917 composite scabbard  














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Re: Bayonets (New additons reply starting #9)
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2017, 12:54:41 pm »
•   M 1917 (16” parkerized) General  Cutlery, circa 1960’s, Plastic handle, M1917 B.A. Inc. composite scabbard








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Re: Bayonets (New additons starting reply #9)
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2017, 10:51:56 pm »
•   Model 1905 (16” bright) Springfield dated 1915, Wood handle, 1905 Leather scabbard type 2, date unreadable




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Re: Bayonets (photos fixed)
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2017, 10:37:52 am »
Photos fixed so they show again.  I have some more bayonets to add eventually.
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