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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #140 on: June 11, 2016, 12:35:08 pm »
Ah, my mistake.  HIS majestys bureaucrats be damned . . .  >:(
Civilize them with a Krag . . .

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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #141 on: June 11, 2016, 12:57:06 pm »
Just damn them all, they need it. :P
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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #142 on: June 11, 2016, 04:19:12 pm »
Damn, damn, damn the bureaucrats,
puling, legislative drones.
Underneath our various flags,
civilize them with a Krag,
and return us our beloved homes!
Civilize them with a Krag . . .

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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #143 on: June 11, 2016, 07:32:13 pm »
Damn, damn, damn the bureaucrats,
puling, legislative drones.
Underneath our various flags,
civilize them with a Krag,Or in RSJ's case, a Long Lee
and return us our beloved homes!

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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #144 on: June 11, 2016, 07:36:32 pm »
Just had a thought(Danger, Danger!!) Can you bring pre-1898 guns without the paperwork? They're not considered firearms under at least some US laws. But then there's the bigger question- Can you take them back?

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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #145 on: June 11, 2016, 08:28:52 pm »
"underneath our flags and creeds.
civilize them with Krags and Lees"
Civilize them with a Krag . . .

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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #146 on: June 12, 2016, 12:19:40 am »
Jerry,

Were you going to post a list of attendees?
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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #147 on: June 12, 2016, 07:53:07 am »
Happy to oblige:

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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #148 on: June 12, 2016, 06:38:50 pm »
Gentlemen:

Your words of encouragement are heartening!

1.  As for bringing only "antique" firearms: yes, I could do that ... and have definitely been considering it as an option ... but am unclear whether I can also bring in the ammunition I would need for them.  If so, I will likely adopt that expedient, since I can certainly bring back anything I take down. (... Canadian firearms laws and restrictions are much less onerous than most Americans realize - almost all of my hassles with attending Musters, or other shooting events in the US, originate with US laws and restrictions.)

HOWEVER, if I can't also bring ammunition for my firearms, the ability to bring in the firearms is of little or no benefit to me ...  :'(

My uniforms are, of course, all "British Empire"(almost exclusively Canadian) but, for a shot at another Brigade Champion award, using borrowed firearms which are not appropriate to the uniform would disqualify me, I understand ...

(I readily admit that I have aspirations to enter the exclusive "maximum of three Brigade Champion Awards" club, with either my Pattern 1863 Canadian Militia Infantry uniform - worn at the last Muster I was able to attend, although I couldn't place with it because I was judging that year - or my brand new Pattern 1863 Canadian Militia Rifles uniform ... for which this would be the debut appearance.)

The Skirmish category I intended to shoot is "Military Single Shot - black powder", for which I would need suitable black powder cartridges - either .577 Snider or .577/.450 Martini-Henry - and also for a suitable  .450/.455/.476 British revolver - extremely unlikely I'd be able to buy, beg, borrow or steal sufficient suitable cartridges for either rifle on that side of the border.  Revolver might be a little less problematic, but still somewhat of a challenge.

2.  Perhaps I could make it a bit easier for myself if I switched to another military category - e.g. Rifleman or Handgunner - I'll have to give that some thought.  So, for example, if Col. Drydock could actually provide enough ammunition to permit me to shoot through the entire Skirmish component, that might be a possible option ....  I could actually bring my own revolver(s) as I do have several which qualify as "antique" on both sides of the border, thus evading the import problems .... (One nice thing about the cutoff year for "antique status" in Canada actually being one year earlier than in the US - i.e. such a firearm must be "pre-1899" up here, rather than "pre-1900" - is that the official written confirmation of "antique" status which I have from the National Firearms Centre run by the RCMP for each such revolver is, of course, accepted as sufficient proof of "antique" status in the US ....)

3.  Neiderlander, my friend, I might well want to take you up on your kind offer regarding the Long Lee and ammunition for at least the Sharpshooter match (and possibly the revolver as well ...)
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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #149 on: June 12, 2016, 07:09:31 pm »
I have 100 Auto Rim cases for the Mk V.  I don't think that would be enough, though you're welcome to use it.  Unfortunately they're all loaded with smokeless.

I believe some of your Canadian revolvers were chambered for .45 Colt?  If so I do have a cubic ton of .45 Schofield BP rounds you're welcome to use.
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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #150 on: June 13, 2016, 04:11:37 pm »

2.  ....  I could actually bring my own revolver(s) as I do have several which qualify as "antique" on both sides of the border, thus evading the import problems .... (One nice thing about the cutoff year for "antique status" in Canada actually being one year earlier than in the US - i.e. such a firearm must be "pre-1899" up here, rather than "pre-1900" - is that the official written confirmation of "antique" status which I have from the National Firearms Centre run by the RCMP for each such revolver is, of course, accepted as sufficient proof of "antique" status in the US ....)

Hey Jack
Sorry they are giving you the run a round.  In the US the antique designation is any arm made 1998 or before, any arm made 1899 and latter is considered a Firearm.
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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #151 on: June 13, 2016, 08:16:40 pm »
Yes .... I got that wrong .... I was out by a year on both: to qualify as an antique in Canada, a firearm must be manufactured pre-1898 ....

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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #152 on: June 15, 2016, 09:47:34 am »
What is the maximum number of rounds per stage for the revolver?  I'm considering shooting my 1860 Army, and carrying two, recapping the second one on the clock.  But, a spare cylinder doesn't do much good.
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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #153 on: June 15, 2016, 11:26:13 am »
What is the maximum number of rounds per stage for the revolver?  I'm considering shooting my 1860 Army, and carrying two, recapping the second one on the clock.  But, a spare cylinder doesn't do much good.
Typically one reload (...or a seconded revolver) will do it. In fact in past years we had a few complaints that participants didn't shoot their BP revolvers enough to justify cleaning them.

This year, however; the "Water Carrier Ravine" will require more than that. (Yes, Drydock I know "we are riflecentric, DAMMIT!" but this stage is an exception) As written you will report to the line with 5 rifle rounds (except Rifleman class). After neutralizing the hostile sniper(s) you will pick up your canteen and start down the ravine engaging the pistol targets as seen and reloading as necessary. In my mind, I'm seeing 10 pistol targets which would mean 10 pistol shots IF you shoot it clean. With our stages that's a mighty big IF. I don't think we've ever had ANYBODY shoot a match clean and very few shoot a clean stage. With Riflemen (and percussion revolver shooters) in mind we are probably going to have to design some way of staging ammunition or more revolvers (battlefield pick ups of course ;) ).

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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #154 on: June 15, 2016, 11:33:48 am »
Thanks Pitspitr.  I'll bring my entire arsenal, just in case!
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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #155 on: June 15, 2016, 12:24:10 pm »
I'll bring my entire arsenal, just in case!
;D Guns and Ammunition are like fun. There's no such thing as too much....  ;)
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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #156 on: June 15, 2016, 01:52:23 pm »
That stage sounds like more fun than a barrel of monkeys. You gentlemen have fun, and good luck!
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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #157 on: June 15, 2016, 03:53:50 pm »
;D Guns and Ammunition are like fun. There's no such thing as too much....  ;)

Agreed, but we have only one mule to make the trip there, and I can't overload it.  My list keeps getting longer and longer as the Muster approaches. 
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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #158 on: June 15, 2016, 06:27:26 pm »
So, maybe we should ask for a round (er, target) count.  How many stages are you planning this year?
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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #159 on: June 15, 2016, 06:29:40 pm »
They didn't have a round count at the Little Big Horn . . .


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