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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #125 on: June 05, 2016, 08:55:04 pm »
Do you have any Idea of the actual bore size of the Lebel?  The cast bullets might bump up to fill the bore and the Jacketed may be a tad undersized.

Drydock thanks for the recommendation.  Will prolly load up 30 of what shoots best for LR and all the rest of available brass at sub 1400 cast.  That should be a few more than 200 if I don't ruin any more cases.

I do have a bayonet just in case I run out of ammo.
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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #126 on: June 05, 2016, 09:04:53 pm »
The bullets I am using are a little undersized, .323, while the rifle slugs out at .324-.325. Others have reported good results using flat base, .323 bullets with faster powders (I'm using 3031). My cast are sized at .325. I see that Buffalo now has .327 bullets in stock again, I may try them-but time's getting short, and I already have suitable bullets for the Swede or Argentine. I might even try my cast loads beyond 100 yards, but I'm already using 5-600 yard sight settings to get to 100- might run out of elevation getting to 300!

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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #127 on: June 05, 2016, 09:41:22 pm »
If you can get lino type gas checks you should be able to run them 2100 FPS and make the trip.  I can in my Krag
Looks like Montana Bullet Works is back in business

http://www.montanabulletworks.com/8mm_or_32_40_Rifle.html  
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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #128 on: June 05, 2016, 10:23:45 pm »
The Saeco #81 bullet might work, takes a very long OAL in a Lebel to function as a repeater.

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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #129 on: June 09, 2016, 08:49:52 pm »
Well I loaded up 220 rounds of Krag 210 gc over 10 gr AA2.  Could not get the chrony to pick up that bullet today.  Does not make much of a bang shoots close to point of aim at 25 and 50 but about 8 inches low at 100.  Did not take much wind to blow it 8 inches down wind.

I did load some 173 gr GI ball with close to max load of varget.  Decided 2600 FPS was too hot for the old krag, backed of a grain.  That should fly about 2500 fps.  I was getting nearly 300 fPs more than the tables stated guess that long  barrel on a krag wrings out the last bit of energy from the powder.  Could be the 173 grain ball generates more pressure due to the .3086 vs .308 diameter.  Probably does not hurt that the barrel is new with about 200 rounds through it.  All but the 15 173 gr FMJ I shot to day have been cast. Albeit with gas checks on nearly all of them.

Sitll undecided on what to shoot in Pistol either 45 Colt RNV 7.5 inch or the 1911.  Will bring bullets for both

Departure date is 1 week from this AM.  I am really looking forward to the Muster.
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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #130 on: June 10, 2016, 08:17:14 am »
I am certainly excited about the Muster!  I feel like a kid...well, I still act like one most of the time.
The favorite wife is even getting into the spirit. She is building up her wardrobe, and trying to figure
how to wear her hair.
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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #131 on: June 10, 2016, 08:54:53 am »
and trying to figure how to wear her hair.

Tell her not to worry too much, the wind will decide. ;D
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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #132 on: June 10, 2016, 11:26:46 am »
... Departure date is 1 week from this AM. 

Good grief, are you walking to Muster?   ;)  We have roughly the same distance to travel, and I won't likely be setting out until the morning of June 21st .... 

(Just kidding ... as I assume you are probably sightseeing en route, or something like that ...  ;D )
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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #133 on: June 10, 2016, 07:03:21 pm »
Yes a night in Monument Valley, a few days with my sun in Grand Junction and 2 Nights in Ft Collins will Arrive close to noon Thursday
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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #134 on: June 10, 2016, 09:44:52 pm »
Cpt Dan, those loads sound pretty fast for a Krag. I had a thought about my groups from the Lebel-they were all strung out in a diagonal line like / this. Perhaps from shooting with a tight sling? Will load a few more up and shoot without the sling before I give in and take the Swede. Still not real happy with the groups from the 1892 revolver either. Limited amount of bullets to play with, soooo, may have to use an SAA for the precision part. I really need to start the load development a bit earlier next time.....

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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #135 on: June 11, 2016, 01:39:06 am »
Well, I must say I am mighty disheartened over a wrench which was chucked into my Muster plans today!  A month ago I faxed in my application to the BATF for the Form 6NIA import permit for my guns and ammunition, and got a nice printed confirmation that the fax successfully went through ... just as I have done for the numerous previous years I have attended.

Since I hadn't yet heard back from them today (which seemed to be an inordinately long
delay) I phoned to check on the application ... only to be told that there is no record in their system of my application this year!

 ???  :o   :-X   :'(

The chap I spoke to on my first call said I would have to fax it in again ... and there would be a very slim chance it might be processed in time.  I immediately did up a further covering letter and drove halfway across town (to the funeral home where I work part time) and faxed it again - got another printed confirmation that the fax was successful ....  Drove back home, and phoned again to ask if they could confirm it been received this time ...  I got put through to the supervisor of that department who, as soon as he heard my question, asked what fax number I had sent it to ... to which I replied that I had sent it to the fax number listed on the BATF website, and in the application instructions ... and that I had triple-checked it to make sure I had it right.  He then told me they had received many reports about faxes supposedly delivered to that number which they in fact never received, and gave a different fax number to use ... saying they had set up a second fax line because of the problems.  (Not sure why the chap I spoke to in the morning couldn't have told me that ... or why they still list the old fax number on the form and website ....  :-\ )

Anyway, drove BACK across town to re-fax everything to the new number .... it took no less than SEVEN  attempts to get the fax to go through to this new number - it would connect and start sending the documents (9 pages total, so rather slow) but crap out by about page 7 or 8 and deliver a "failure" report.  FINALLY got a confirmation that the entire fax SUPPOSEDLY went through ... by then it was too late to phone back as it was after their closing time in West Virginia, so there is no way to even get through to ask if it got there until Monday at the earliest ....  :P

Sounds like the chances are not good that the application will be processed in time ... IF they got it, that is ... since I am told that a totally problem-free application can maybe be approved within two weeks (whereas there remain only only seven business days maximum before I have to cross the border.)

My new cover letter requests that my application be expedited if at all possible - even though I was told by both chaps today they don't 'fast track' applications ... hoping somebody sympathetic might see it and slip it to the top of the pile or something ...

I will be there if that happens, otherwise .... :'(
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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #136 on: June 11, 2016, 06:07:52 am »
What a crock!  And of course, no one there really cares since, being from the government and here to help, they've got other things to do......................hoping things work out.  Otherwise, wear a uniform compatible with a Long Lee.  I happen to have a nice one you're welcome to use.  I also have a very nice early Smith & Wesson .38 you can pair it with.  (They're the same guns I used last year.  I'm shooting a Trapdoor this year.)  If you can bring or send ammo for the Long Lee, great, otherwise I should have plenty, both cast and full power jacketed for long range.  Looking forward to seeing you here!
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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #137 on: June 11, 2016, 07:09:18 am »
Are you coming for the Expansion Era match, too?  If so, I can bring the SMLE for that.  (Sorry, you'll just have to get along without a Ross.............I know that would break your heart!)
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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #138 on: June 11, 2016, 12:10:08 pm »
I can bring a Webley Mk V for you, and ammunition.  Come on down, Her Majesty's bureaucrats be damned!
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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #139 on: June 11, 2016, 12:23:16 pm »
I can bring a Webley Mk V for you, and ammunition.  Come on down, Her Majesty's bureaucrats be damned!

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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #140 on: June 11, 2016, 12:35:08 pm »
Ah, my mistake.  HIS majestys bureaucrats be damned . . .  >:(
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« Reply #141 on: June 11, 2016, 12:57:06 pm »
Just damn them all, they need it. :P
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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #142 on: June 11, 2016, 04:19:12 pm »
Damn, damn, damn the bureaucrats,
puling, legislative drones.
Underneath our various flags,
civilize them with a Krag,
and return us our beloved homes!
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« Reply #143 on: June 11, 2016, 07:32:13 pm »
Damn, damn, damn the bureaucrats,
puling, legislative drones.
Underneath our various flags,
civilize them with a Krag,Or in RSJ's case, a Long Lee
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« Reply #144 on: June 11, 2016, 07:36:32 pm »
Just had a thought(Danger, Danger!!) Can you bring pre-1898 guns without the paperwork? They're not considered firearms under at least some US laws. But then there's the bigger question- Can you take them back?

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« Reply #145 on: June 11, 2016, 08:28:52 pm »
"underneath our flags and creeds.
civilize them with Krags and Lees"
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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #146 on: June 12, 2016, 12:19:40 am »
Jerry,

Were you going to post a list of attendees?
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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #147 on: June 12, 2016, 07:53:07 am »
Happy to oblige:

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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #148 on: June 12, 2016, 06:38:50 pm »
Gentlemen:

Your words of encouragement are heartening!

1.  As for bringing only "antique" firearms: yes, I could do that ... and have definitely been considering it as an option ... but am unclear whether I can also bring in the ammunition I would need for them.  If so, I will likely adopt that expedient, since I can certainly bring back anything I take down. (... Canadian firearms laws and restrictions are much less onerous than most Americans realize - almost all of my hassles with attending Musters, or other shooting events in the US, originate with US laws and restrictions.)

HOWEVER, if I can't also bring ammunition for my firearms, the ability to bring in the firearms is of little or no benefit to me ...  :'(

My uniforms are, of course, all "British Empire"(almost exclusively Canadian) but, for a shot at another Brigade Champion award, using borrowed firearms which are not appropriate to the uniform would disqualify me, I understand ...

(I readily admit that I have aspirations to enter the exclusive "maximum of three Brigade Champion Awards" club, with either my Pattern 1863 Canadian Militia Infantry uniform - worn at the last Muster I was able to attend, although I couldn't place with it because I was judging that year - or my brand new Pattern 1863 Canadian Militia Rifles uniform ... for which this would be the debut appearance.)

The Skirmish category I intended to shoot is "Military Single Shot - black powder", for which I would need suitable black powder cartridges - either .577 Snider or .577/.450 Martini-Henry - and also for a suitable  .450/.455/.476 British revolver - extremely unlikely I'd be able to buy, beg, borrow or steal sufficient suitable cartridges for either rifle on that side of the border.  Revolver might be a little less problematic, but still somewhat of a challenge.

2.  Perhaps I could make it a bit easier for myself if I switched to another military category - e.g. Rifleman or Handgunner - I'll have to give that some thought.  So, for example, if Col. Drydock could actually provide enough ammunition to permit me to shoot through the entire Skirmish component, that might be a possible option ....  I could actually bring my own revolver(s) as I do have several which qualify as "antique" on both sides of the border, thus evading the import problems .... (One nice thing about the cutoff year for "antique status" in Canada actually being one year earlier than in the US - i.e. such a firearm must be "pre-1899" up here, rather than "pre-1900" - is that the official written confirmation of "antique" status which I have from the National Firearms Centre run by the RCMP for each such revolver is, of course, accepted as sufficient proof of "antique" status in the US ....)

3.  Neiderlander, my friend, I might well want to take you up on your kind offer regarding the Long Lee and ammunition for at least the Sharpshooter match (and possibly the revolver as well ...)
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Re: 2016 Grand Muster...140th Anniversary of the Battle of Little Bighorn
« Reply #149 on: June 12, 2016, 07:09:31 pm »
I have 100 Auto Rim cases for the Mk V.  I don't think that would be enough, though you're welcome to use it.  Unfortunately they're all loaded with smokeless.

I believe some of your Canadian revolvers were chambered for .45 Colt?  If so I do have a cubic ton of .45 Schofield BP rounds you're welcome to use.
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