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Re: Original Trapdoor Rifles
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2015, 05:06:47 pm »
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Made 1875
Serial number 35219 started 1875
Serial number 60326 started 1876
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Re: Original Trapdoor Rifles
« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2015, 05:20:17 pm »
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Made 1875
Serial number 35219 started 1875
Serical number 60326 started 1876


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Re: Original Trapdoor Rifles
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2015, 06:06:22 pm »
Most trapdoors had free floating firing pins, and would perform much as you see on this one.  Some early ones did have return springs on the firing pin.  I would remove the pin and verify there is no spring or any remains of a spring, to prevent the pin possibly freezing in the forward position.  Other than that you should be fine.

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Re: Original Trapdoor Rifles
« Reply #29 on: July 10, 2015, 06:32:19 pm »
Most trapdoors had free floating firing pins, and would perform much as you see on this one.  Some early ones did have return springs on the firing pin.  I would remove the pin and verify there is no spring or any remains of a spring, to prevent the pin possibly freezing in the forward position.  Other than that you should be fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOZnC6ZxJSI

http://www.trapdoorcollector.com/Disassembly.html

Thank you for the info! I actually made up a dummy round just a bit ago and was able to answer my own question. I'm just enamored with this rifle! I almost hesitate to take its picture because my only camera is on my phone, and it just can't do this firearm justice, in my mind. Even my lady likes it! The ejector works just fine. The barrel isn't shiny but good with only minor pitting and strong rifling. I went ahead and ordered a basic amount of bullets just so I'd be able to load up a handful of rounds ASAP and shoot it.
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Re: Original Trapdoor Rifles
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2015, 06:54:37 pm »
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Re: Original Trapdoor Rifles
« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2015, 07:10:01 pm »
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Re: Original Trapdoor Rifles
« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2015, 08:37:25 pm »
If you bring it with you next June we can compare it to a pair of mine that were made the 3rd week of March 1874
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Re: Original Trapdoor Rifles
« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2015, 10:28:09 pm »
If you bring it with you next June we can compare it to a pair of mine that were made the 3rd week of March 1874

I believe I'd enjoy that  ;D
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Re: Original Trapdoor Rifles
« Reply #34 on: July 13, 2015, 06:06:17 am »
Attempting to upload a picture, bear with me here.

Nice rifle you have there. Congratulations!
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Re: Original Trapdoor Rifles
« Reply #35 on: July 13, 2015, 12:04:45 pm »
Nice rifle you have there. Congratulations!

Thank you kindly! I'll need to get a better camera so I can really show it off; my phone camera really just doesn't do it justice.
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Re: Original Trapdoor Rifles
« Reply #36 on: July 13, 2015, 04:57:21 pm »
Since I collect US Military Long Arms, and this is about Original Trapdoors thought I would share some photos of the TD Rifles currently in my care.   ;D  They are from top to bottom in the first photo:

•  SF Model 1865, 1st Allin Conversion, original barrel, made 1865, .58-60 RF
•  SF Model 1866, 2nd Allin Conversion, sleeved barrel, .50-70
•  SF Model 1868, Allin Conversion, new barrel, made 1869, .50-70
•  SF Model 1870, Allin Conversion, new barrel, made 1870, .50-70
•  SF Model 1873 early, made 1874, .45-70
•  SF Model 1873 late (1877), made 1881, .45-70
•  SF Model 1884, made 1888, .45-70
•  SF Model 1888, round rod bayonet, made 1892, .45-70
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Re: Original Trapdoor Rifles
« Reply #37 on: July 13, 2015, 05:00:12 pm »
Since I collect US Military Long Arms, and this is about Original Trapdoors thought I would share some photos of the TD Rifles currently in my care.   ;D  They are from top to bottom in the first photo:

•  SF Model 1865, 1st Allin Conversion, original barrel, made 1865, .58-60 RF
•  SF Model 1866, 2nd Allin Conversion, sleeved barrel, .50-70
•  SF Model 1868, Allin Conversion, new barrel, made 1869, .50-70
•  SF Model 1870, Allin Conversion, new barrel, made 1870, .50-70
•  SF Model 1873 early, made 1874, .45-70
•  SF Model 1873 late (1877), made 1881, .45-70
•  SF Model 1884, made 1888, .45-70
•  SF Model 1888, round rod bayonet, made 1892, .45-70


If those rifles shoot half as good as they look, then you've got some real tack drivers there!
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Re: Original Trapdoor Rifles
« Reply #38 on: July 13, 2015, 05:05:50 pm »
Trying to post 3 more photos but keep getting an error message.  Will try them one at a time, I've only got 3.
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Re: Original Trapdoor Rifles
« Reply #39 on: July 13, 2015, 05:07:04 pm »
Here are the last 2, maybe.
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Re: Original Trapdoor Rifles
« Reply #40 on: July 13, 2015, 05:09:32 pm »
If those rifles shoot half as good as they look, then you've got some real tack drivers there!

I've not had time to shoot any of them yet.  My goal is to shoot all of them except of course the .58-60 RF 1st Allin. In looking for an original round to display with it I've found two, one for $95 and the other is $100.
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Re: Original Trapdoor Rifles
« Reply #41 on: July 13, 2015, 07:44:52 pm »
VERY cool, Scout!
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Re: Original Trapdoor Rifles
« Reply #42 on: July 13, 2015, 07:51:29 pm »
I am in awe!
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Re: Original Trapdoor Rifles
« Reply #43 on: July 13, 2015, 09:44:56 pm »
I've not had time to shoot any of them yet.  My goal is to shoot all of them except of course the .58-60 RF 1st Allin. In looking for an original round to display with it I've found two, one for $95 and the other is $100.

I'm almost certainly wrong here, but couldn't you make up a round kind of like what one would use to shoot a .577 Snider?
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Re: Original Trapdoor Rifles
« Reply #44 on: July 14, 2015, 05:52:09 am »
I'm almost certainly wrong here, but couldn't you make up a round kind of like what one would use to shoot a .577 Snider?

Probably you could make something up in a centerfire case, but that would require a different breechblock.

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Re: Original Trapdoor Rifles
« Reply #45 on: July 14, 2015, 06:15:09 am »
Probably you could make something up in a centerfire case, but that would require a different breechblock.
Yes, but he's looking for one to display
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Re: Original Trapdoor Rifles
« Reply #46 on: July 14, 2015, 07:16:37 am »
Ah, right. Still, very very cool!  ;D
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Re: Original Trapdoor Rifles
« Reply #47 on: July 14, 2015, 04:59:48 pm »
I'm almost certainly wrong here, but couldn't you make up a round kind of like what one would use to shoot a .577 Snider?

What I was attempting to state was that I won't be shooting the original rim fire model 1865 because of the cartridge. Those original rounds are rare and not cheap if you can find them. All the others are centerfire and I have brass for them and currently load for 45-70, just have not found any 50-70 lead bullets of the right diameter yet (I don't cast).
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Re: Original Trapdoor Rifles
« Reply #48 on: July 14, 2015, 05:16:16 pm »
Yes, but he's looking for one to display

Yep, besides adding original period slings to the long arms, I've started looking for the correct rounds to display with the arms. Already have too much $$ invested in old dead cows, but that pales to what's invested in the arms themselves.  :-[ 

However one day I hope to be able to develope many different displays of long arms.  Except for these photos posted here I've only displayed and presented a portion of my collection once. That was for a Boy Scout function last December, I had 30 pieces of history out on the tables. It took about 1-1/2 hours to present and went from the French & Indian War to present day.
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Re: Original Trapdoor Rifles
« Reply #49 on: July 14, 2015, 05:22:37 pm »
What I was attempting to state was that I won't be shooting the original rim fire model 1865 because of the cartridge. Those original rounds are rare and not cheap if you can find them. All the others are centerfire and I have brass for them and currently load for 45-70, just have not found any 50-70 lead bullets of the right diameter yet (I don't cast).

My bad, totally missed the rimfire bit there. I can imagine, but I really like that idea for display, I bet it'd look very cool.

I'm in the same boat. I currently rent, so casting will just have to wait until I have my own place. Buffalo Arms might have some lead .50-70 bullets, but I'm pretty sure that they're only available in lots of 50 and they're fairly pricey. Maybe you could post in the classified, see if anyone can cast some bullets for you for a bit cheaper?
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