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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #100 on: August 26, 2017, 07:30:20 pm »
Hi

I have a Krag question, if this should be its own thread, feel free.

I'd like to get a Krag, either a rifle or Carbine.  I'd like to get a book on the Krag, but with a specific purpose.  I need a book that shows enough detail to be sure I get a FULL rifle or a FULL Carbine and not something that will cost me a lot to bring back to its original state.  Which book would be best for that purpose.  I need to know before the Wannemaker Tulsa Gun show in November 2017.  It's my understanding that the CMP will rebarrell Krags, but for a price. 

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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #101 on: August 26, 2017, 07:36:46 pm »
https://www.buymilsurp.com/the-american-krag-rifle-and-carbine-2nd-edition-revised-p-5397.html

Criterion makes the Barrels, they come indexed, most any gunsmith can screw them in.  Get them from CMP or from the manufacturer.  CMP installation is seriously backlogged from what I hear.
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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #102 on: August 26, 2017, 08:41:17 pm »
Yep, That's The best book i know of
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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #103 on: November 09, 2017, 01:32:41 pm »
Hi Y'all

Headed off to Tulsa Wannemacher show this weekend.  My current nefarious plan is to purchase the first whole 30-40 Krag that has a decent looking barrel.  My plan includes wanting to find a carbine, but as I don't yet own SAM / Philippine Insurrection uniforms, I don't care so much.  Not like I already have a horse to feed.  If memory serves, Carbines are in "short" supply and I don't really think I want a sporterized model.

I have two of the suggested books and have been reading a little.  I"ll be taking both with me.  I'd have shopped gun broker more, but none of the entries had pictures of the bore.

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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #104 on: November 09, 2017, 04:50:58 pm »
Good luck!  Take a pull thru and some Ballistol.  A lot of bad looking bores are just dirty!
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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #105 on: November 09, 2017, 05:45:24 pm »
Ll see about getting a 30 cal pull through after I get off the range.
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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #106 on: November 12, 2017, 01:31:36 pm »
Hi

I haven't had time for pictures yet, but I managed to purchase a decent, reasonably correct Krag Carbine from 1896 at the Tulsa Gun Show.  The sights are Rifle sights, but I now ALSO own a correct Oiler and cleaning rod for the butt stock.  When I picked it up, it had three of the middle pieces of a Krag cleaning rod.  I also have a replacement hopper spring and an ejector.  Larry Brown out of Indiana is a great Krag guy.  The bore has rifling but it's shallow.  I'm ordering brass, and cleaning supplies for it.  This is my FIRST .30 caliber so I have no brushes, jags etc.

So, Krag Carbine = Philippine Insurrection for Expansion Era right or Spanish American War for Victorian era match right?

More later.


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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #107 on: November 12, 2017, 01:59:15 pm »
Yep, Krag works for everything.  Doubt the rifling is "shallow" , might be a lot of copper fouling in there.   Took me a long time to get down to steel in my 1st Krag rifle.  Get some of that foam cleaner, works great.  And a lot of .303 brushes!  I look forward to pictures!
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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #108 on: November 12, 2017, 11:40:47 pm »
Hi again

Full length size or neck size the 30-40 Krag?  I neck size on the other bottle neck cartridge bolt action rifles I own.  I don't own full-length sizing dies for those.

I plan on ordering Oregon Trail 200 grain bullets.  I"m not sure on the powder yet, but I have SOME Trail Boss and loads of 4350.

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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #109 on: November 13, 2017, 03:38:13 am »
I neck size mine.
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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #110 on: November 13, 2017, 06:44:35 am »
Hornady now makes a really easy to use neck sizing die that's less than thirty bucks.  Works great!
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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #111 on: November 13, 2017, 11:03:23 am »
I use a .308 sizer die. I'm thinking that I robbed my .310 expander ball from my 7.62x39 die set. Works fine.
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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #112 on: November 19, 2017, 12:06:58 am »
Hi

I finished reading Foyer's "The American Krag Rifle and Carbine."  I have an 1898 Model built in June 1898.  It lacks a cut out in the stock for the saddle ring, which seems to imply that it was re-furbished in 1902.  It also has an either type 2 or 3 1898 rear sight.  There was very little copper in the bore, but a lot of burnt powder, the rifling seems to be much more distinct after a little cleaning. 

It was suggested that I clean the stock with Hoppe's, it is greasy.  Good idea or not?  How do I find out if this sucker saw any action or not?

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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #113 on: November 19, 2017, 07:09:18 am »
http://springfieldresearchservice.com/

I full length size my brass but that doesn't mean that's necessary the right way to do it.
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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #115 on: November 19, 2017, 07:47:40 pm »
I noted that Larry Potterfield mentions that what he was doing won't mess up the collector value of the Krag.  I also noted that the CMP offers re-parkerizing or re-bluing of the Krags.  That's not a good idea right?

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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #116 on: November 19, 2017, 08:02:49 pm »
I'm currently building a Krag out of Ebay parts and a Criterion barrel.  That would be a candidate for rebluing.  As would a cut down or sporterized rifle.  If you have an intact Krag, a reblue will affect value negatively.

A parkerized Krag?  *shudder*
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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #117 on: November 19, 2017, 09:16:28 pm »
Thanks Drydock, according to the guy at the Tulsa Show (Krag fixer and parts guy), I have a pretty much intact Krag Carbine.  I hope it shoots as good as it looks.  It has been re-furbished, but in 1902, so no big deal there.

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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #118 on: December 01, 2017, 10:53:22 pm »
Hi

I've found .30-40 Krag Brass in Hornady, Remington, and Grafs.  Midway is out of Remington, and Hornady is pretty high.  Is there any reason to get one over the other?  I'm considering using one head stamp for lead and one for Jacketed for consistency.

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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #119 on: December 17, 2017, 11:13:02 pm »
Hi

I bought a box of 32 caliber round ball to swag the barrel on the Krag to see what I should be getting.  I didn't do this right somehow.  I came up with a bore of .299, which is almost certainly mis-measured.  I think I need a fatter ball to start with.  I have .38 Special lead cast bullets, don't know how hard they are.  Is using the .38's (.357) lead bullets to check the bore on a .30-40 Krag a stupid idea or a REALLY stupid idea?

Other better ideas?  Midway DOES sell 0.315 round ball, but I don't see that making a difference. 

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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #120 on: December 18, 2017, 07:28:51 am »
I use .31 caliber balls to measure .30 caliber bores, and it's always worked fine.  Are you sure you measured the grooves?
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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #121 on: December 18, 2017, 09:22:53 am »
I use .31 caliber balls to measure .30 caliber bores, and it's always worked fine.  Are you sure you measured the grooves?

I didn't really end up with grooves.  I can  see the rifling a the muzzle, but not on the round ball.  I can't see a bulge in the  barrel, but it got easier to push in the middle.  I need to clean more also.  The bore is still got powder residue, but no copper and only a little lead.  The balls are .310.

I think I'll try putting a smashed ball down first and another one after it.  I'm  not getting any lead in the groves.

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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #122 on: December 18, 2017, 02:42:45 pm »
Clean clean clean and clean some more.  Sounds to me like you have a tight spot somewhere, indicating a buildup of multiple layers of fouling, this is not uncommon, and usually found toward the breech end of the barrel.  This can be a long process with old military rifles.  Now you  have a pleasant task to see you thru the dark winter nights . . .
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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #123 on: December 18, 2017, 03:39:50 pm »
Yep, you might try plugging the breech end and pouring the bore full of Kroil or some sort of Hoppes No. 9 and letting it soak for a few days.  It will come clean eventually!
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Re: Care and feeding of the Krag
« Reply #124 on: December 18, 2017, 03:59:21 pm »
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/272019/break-free-foaming-bore-cleaning-solvent-3-oz-aerosol

A barrel can look nice and shiny, and still have a surprising amount of fouling!
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