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Re: The 1884 Fatigue Uniform: Easy, Comfortable, inexpensive.
« Reply #75 on: August 08, 2018, 10:32:42 am »
WPG's Boer war tunic is not really an exact copy of the p1896 tunic.  The 1896 had the standing collar.  The WPG tunic has the stand and fall collar of the P1900 regs with the pointed pocket flaps of the p1896 regs.  Seems like an easy enough fix.
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Re: The 1884 Fatigue Uniform: Easy, Comfortable, inexpensive.
« Reply #76 on: April 24, 2019, 09:42:39 am »
Speaking of "Madison shoe" types...I purchased a pair of these from Amazon a couple months ago.  They are produced by Dr. Scholl's, and eligible for Amazon Prime. They do have a rubber lug sole (not slick), do NOT have a toe cap, and are very comfortable.  I rubbed them down with Neatsfoot, and they were soft and supple after only wearing a few hours.  I wear them for everyday shoes now.  The only thing on the "down side" I find is that they may not be extremely durable - the leather is not real thick - about like dress shoes, not "boots".  The edge of the sole is a dark brown, easily remedied with black leather dye or edge dressing.    The price has gone up since I bought mine, but may be acceptable for some of you.
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Re: The 1884 Fatigue Uniform: Easy, Comfortable, inexpensive.
« Reply #77 on: April 24, 2019, 05:13:03 pm »
Yet another that cannot spell "Cavalry". 
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« Reply #78 on: April 26, 2019, 07:07:37 am »
Yet another that cannot spell "Cavalry".

Perhaps the shoe is "holey"... we all have our cross to bear...
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Re: The 1884 Fatigue Uniform: Easy, Comfortable, inexpensive.
« Reply #80 on: June 08, 2019, 05:43:55 pm »
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Re: The 1884 Fatigue Uniform: Easy, Comfortable, inexpensive.
« Reply #81 on: June 09, 2019, 07:11:44 am »
WPG's Boer war tunic is not really an exact copy of the p1896 tunic.  The 1896 had the standing collar.  The WPG tunic has the stand and fall collar of the P1900 regs with the pointed pocket flaps of the p1896 regs.  Seems like an easy enough fix.
I had mine changed to a standing collar.  Pretty easy for any seamstress.  (I doubt if I could ever do it myself........)
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« Reply #82 on: July 02, 2019, 07:41:34 pm »
Reading thru McChristians book, concerning the 1884 brown duck uniform, he states (near the bottom of page 141) that "Chevrons, however, were not authorized for wear on either the duck coats or the stable frocks."  Since the subtitle of the book states that it covers "1880-1892" , were these authorized later?  I am considering an impression from Gen. Miles' 1886 Geronimo Campaign, and was trying to determine if I would need trouser stripes/ NCO chevrons (of course I could always be a Private)
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« Reply #83 on: July 02, 2019, 08:06:59 pm »
I did find, on a uniform vendor's site, that COTTON chevrons were authorized in 1898...but can find no refernce on wear prior to that.

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Re: The 1884 Fatigue Uniform: Easy, Comfortable, inexpensive.
« Reply #84 on: July 02, 2019, 08:49:56 pm »
If you look at footnote #35 back on page 299, you will see where General Sheridan later issued a decision (1885) that noncoms of any grade, including General Staff, could wear the brown canvas clothing.  Prior to that it was thought only privates would be wearing this outfit, but it proved to be too popular among all ranks.  I suspect soon after Sheridans decision,  rank began to be displayed on the tunics, certainly by the SAW.   This would not be by regulation, but the wearing of rank on shirtsleeves in the tropics was not regulation either: it made sense to the troops, so they did it.
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Re: The 1884 Fatigue Uniform: Easy, Comfortable, inexpensive.
« Reply #85 on: July 02, 2019, 10:08:34 pm »
Well, 1886 Arizona Territory is a loooong ways away from Washington DC and Gen. Sheridan...I know Crook wasn't picky about uniforms, considering his khaki "safari suit" and Woolsey helmet...and tennis shoes.  Wonder if Miles was one to distrupt the status quo?
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Re: The 1884 Fatigue Uniform: Easy, Comfortable, inexpensive.
« Reply #86 on: July 03, 2019, 06:10:05 am »
Wonder if Miles was one to distrupt the status quo?
Yes, Miles liked the regulations...at least when applied to the men. He wass also something of a "peacock" though so he might have liked the idea of chevrons on the stable uniform.

The chevrons on the fatigue blouse weren't authorized until 1876, but it was a common practice since at least the civil war. I can't imagine that it wouldn't be the same with the brown duck jacket, at least after it's every day wear became common.


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Re: The 1884 Fatigue Uniform: Easy, Comfortable, inexpensive.
« Reply #87 on: July 13, 2019, 02:31:41 pm »
I wonder if the same applies to the stripes on the trousers...some sutlers (QM Shop, one example) offers the 1884 uniform in trimmed in "branch colors".   The reference in McChristian states NCO's were authorized to draw and wear the 1884 brown uniform, but throws in the "however" about the insignia of rank NOT being authorized for wear on it...but Pitspitr and Drydock both have valid and true points.

I wonder if any chevrons would have the blue wool backing as for the fatigue blouse, and whether this would carry over to the Senior and "specialist" NCO's, such as QM Sgt, Saddler, Signal Corps?  I mean the "arc" area above the chevrons - would that arc area have the blue wool backing?  (I'm referring mostly to pre-1890's)...  I reference Drydock's profile pic as a SAW Artillery Sgt - a few years after the era of my current interest.

Speaker of of campaign uniforms...I just finished reading Leonard Wood's journal of his time "Chasing Geronimo".  After Geronimo's agreement to surrender to Miles, a group of Mexican militia arrived, demanding Geronimo be turned over to them for "justice".  Wood negotiated with them, wearing his. "campaign uniform", described as: moccasins, drawers, undershirt, and a campaign hat with no crown.
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Re: The 1884 Fatigue Uniform: Easy, Comfortable, inexpensive.
« Reply #88 on: July 20, 2019, 09:51:22 pm »
Reading thru McChristians book, concerning the 1884 brown duck uniform, he states (near the bottom of page 141) that "Chevrons, however, were not authorized for wear on either the duck coats or the stable frocks."  Since the subtitle of the book states that it covers "1880-1892" , were these authorized later?  I am considering an impression from Gen. Miles' 1886 Geronimo Campaign, and was trying to determine if I would need trouser stripes/ NCO chevrons (of course I could always be a Private)
Not the period you're asking about but on pages 7&8 of Cowboys in Uniform are original period photographs of Sgt.'s wearing the brown duck uniforms with chevrons and leg stripes.
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