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Re: My 44-40 Black Powder Journey
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2016, 04:02:40 am »
have you crafted the soft point jacketed ones in the 1895 catalog? i think it was that one.

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Re: My 44-40 Black Powder Journey
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2017, 09:47:31 pm »
   Greetings, w44WCF!

   I have a question. John Taffin's book, "Action Shooting Cowboy Style" lists what appears to
be a very hot BP .44WCF load: 36.5gr GOEX fffg under a Lyman/Ideal #42798, for a velocity
of 1566 fps ( ! ). According to the book, this was out of a Rossi 1892 SRC.
   This load is the BP equivalent of the old ".44 W.H.V." smokeless load! I would never consider
dropping this in a Brass-Framed Henry or 1866, but would a Modern 1873 Replica handle this
as well as a Win. 1892 / Marlin 1894 / Rem. 14-1/2, or other strong action? What are your
feelings on this? Not for CAS, but hunting?

          Thanks Much!

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Re: My 44-40 Black Powder Journey
« Reply #22 on: February 17, 2017, 02:04:51 am »
in the post he says he used 40gr of swiss with the same bullet and never received that much....

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Re: My 44-40 Black Powder Journey
« Reply #23 on: February 17, 2017, 09:40:25 am »
Great Info , John ,  w44wf  I've made it now a sticky  :)
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Re: My 44-40 Black Powder Journey
« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2017, 08:59:36 am »
Greetings, M.T.Marfield!

I had read that same article and noted the much higher than normal velocity with b.p.  Based on my experience that was certainly a typo. The 5  should have been a 3 (1,366 f.p.s.) and maybe a bit less.  36 grs. of Swiss FFFG gives about that velocity and that is in a 24" barrel.  And.......Swiss is more powerful than Goex.

Certainly the load is plenty safe in the rifles you mentioned but it is overstated by at least 200 f.p.s........

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Re: My 44-40 Black Powder Journey
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Re: My 44-40 Black Powder Journey
« Reply #25 on: February 18, 2017, 09:03:21 am »
have you crafted the soft point jacketed ones in the 1895 catalog? i think it was that one.

I have worked with some jacketed bullets in the .44-40 but nowhere near to the extent as I have with cast & b.p..

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Re: My 44-40 Black Powder Journey
« Reply #26 on: February 18, 2017, 09:05:54 am »
Great Info , John ,  w44wf  I've made it now a sticky  :)

Major,
Thank you for the kind words and for making it a sticky.  ;D

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Re: My 44-40 Black Powder Journey
« Reply #27 on: February 18, 2017, 09:38:14 am »
44wcf
The 1300+ is what I was getting with my Vintage Hunting loads . I have soft lead bullets and they shoot GREAT with the old E BP .
Hope I can get on another nice Buck this Fall .

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Re: My 44-40 Black Powder Journey
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2017, 01:08:08 am »
   Greetings, w44WCF!

   Thanks for the follow-up. I presumed that the BP had been compressed in a solid head
case, with magnum priming, giving wild velocities...

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Re: My 44-40 Black Powder Journey
« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2017, 05:49:35 am »
Major,
Thank you for the kind words and for making it a sticky.  ;D

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Re: My 44-40 Black Powder Journey
« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2017, 07:30:39 am »
Looks like all the pictures have been lost in the Photo-trash-bucket.  Would you consider going back and replacing the pictures? 

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Re: My 44-40 Black Powder Journey
« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2018, 05:00:39 pm »
Looks like all the pictures have been lost in the Photo-trash-bucket.  Would you consider going back and replacing the pictures? 

load info here was good I believe

my chrono says
 40 grains under 200grain lead = 1355
 39 grains  .......................... = 1340
 36.5 grains ........................ = 1288

This is homemade powder (gives about 40FPS over GOEX) and the 39 & 40 grains are heavy compression   36 grains is a comfy load in a modern 44/40 case

225 grain lead gets 1170 fps
WANO PPP I got 100 FPS less

All charges here are scale weight NOT volume measure.

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Re: My 44-40 Black Powder Journey
« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2018, 06:04:47 am »
I was so sorry to hear of John Kort's passing. He was a fine man and helped many of us out with his research and love of the 44wcf. Rest in peace pard.
"We're all travelers in this world.  From the sweet grass to the packing house, birth till death, we travel between the eternities"  Prentiss Ritter, Broken Trail

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Re: My 44-40 Black Powder Journey
« Reply #33 on: April 11, 2018, 10:13:03 pm »
I'm so sorry that the original photos are now gone (grrr, Photobucket).  I knew I should have printed this off when Jack first posted it.

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Re: My 44-40 Black Powder Journey
« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2018, 11:14:26 am »
It would appear that all of John's photos have been made public again.

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Re: My 44-40 Black Powder Journey
« Reply #35 on: December 03, 2018, 11:30:30 am »
THANK YOU for bringing that to our attention!

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Re: My 44-40 Black Powder Journey
« Reply #36 on: April 23, 2019, 08:46:30 am »
And in John's honor I broke in an Accurate 430-215C mold yesterday.


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Re: My 44-40 Black Powder Journey
« Reply #37 on: April 23, 2019, 09:09:02 am »
NICE Bill!!!

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Re: My 44-40 Black Powder Journey
« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2019, 09:42:41 pm »
And in John's honor I broke in an Accurate 430-215C mold yesterday.



Beautiful, aren't they? Like a chest of jewels! I think that John would be pleased to know how much we appreciate his bullet design.

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