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1874-1876 Calvary Uniform and leather for NCO
« on: July 25, 2014, 12:00:45 pm »
Hey, guys, I'm trying to put together a Calvary uniform from 74 through 76 for a NCO as cheaply as possible. I just purchased a 73 Springfield carbine  but I have a long way to go. Vendor info and or patterns would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: 1874-1876 Calvary Uniform and leather for NCO
« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2014, 01:02:45 pm »
http://www.quartermasterdepot.com/western-indian-wars-c-5.html?zenid=7aae341688d640ff190b6107673afc55  New supplier, but have heard good reports

http://www.cooncreekoldwest.com/coon_html/Home.html  My favorite folks

Every once'n awhile the Quartermaster shop has a sale on the M1874 Sack coat.   http://www.quartermastershop.com/

« Last Edit: July 25, 2014, 01:12:02 pm by Drydock »
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Re: 1874-1876 Calvary Uniform and leather for NCO
« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2014, 01:24:21 pm »
Thank you Sir. I'll give them a look see.

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Re: 1874-1876 Calvary Uniform and leather for NCO
« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2014, 04:13:40 pm »
I haven't seen the Quartermaster Depot stuff, but Quartermaster shop and Coon Creek tend to use too heavy weight wool for the blouse. The material should be about the same as a wool shirt. You might also want to check with Nick Sekela (SP?) at Gettysburg
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Re: 1874-1876 Calvary Uniform and leather for NCO
« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2014, 06:45:23 pm »
Jerry, I checked on Nick Sekela's website and didn't find either the 72 or 74 pattern blouse. :(

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Re: 1874-1876 Calvary Uniform and leather for NCO
« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2014, 07:59:20 pm »
You can also check out Coon River Merchantile in Des Moines.  Most authentic CW and IW uniforms I have ever seen. They did my Confederate General's uniform with which I have won many awards, especially in NCOWS (you know how picky they can be). There is also a sutler in Livingston, TX, who did my IW/GAF Chaplain's uniform, but for life of me I cannot remember their name...maybe Mercury Sutlers.  Have fun in your search as that is half the fun of getting something authentic.

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Re: 1874-1876 Calvary Uniform and leather for NCO
« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2014, 08:27:26 pm »
http://www.mercurysutler.com/uniforms.htm      Scroll down until you find the M1874 blouse and other IW items.  Unfortunately Coon River shows no IW items on their site.
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Re: 1874-1876 Calvary Uniform and leather for NCO
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2014, 09:41:44 pm »
Jerry, I checked on Nick Sekela's website and didn't find either the 72 or 74 pattern blouse. :(

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What I was told is that he has the patterns and will make IW stuff if you ask. The best guy for advice is F Trooper. He has a lot of connections with very good makers.
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Re: 1874-1876 Calvary Uniform and leather for NCO
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2014, 10:53:04 pm »
Thanks guys. I'll begin the search.
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Re: 1874-1876 Calvary Uniform and leather for NCO
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2014, 11:26:40 pm »
Thanks guys. I'll begin the search.


If you are up for used post some sizes and I will see what we have left. 

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Re: 1874-1876 Calvary Uniform and leather for NCO
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2014, 07:18:55 am »
That would be great, cavsgt! I wear a 42 coat and 32pants.
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Re: 1874-1876 Calvary Uniform and leather for NCO
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2014, 10:24:32 pm »
For leather get in touch with Trailrider Products in Denver.  Trailrider is a GAF member and posts here fairly often and has a website.  You won't find better or more correct period military leather.

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Re: 1874-1876 Calvary Uniform and leather for NCO
« Reply #12 on: July 27, 2014, 02:23:56 pm »
looks like he wants 1874-76...........

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Re: 1874-1876 Calvary Uniform and leather for NCO
« Reply #13 on: July 27, 2014, 06:26:54 pm »
Yup, 74-76

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Re: 1874-1876 Calvary Uniform and leather for NCO
« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2014, 08:25:43 pm »
Carrico Leatherworks in Edna KS.  David provided much of the leather, including horse equipment for the mini-series "Into the West", "Geronimo", "Jonah Hex", "True Grit" (the new one), and "Appaloosa", and several others.

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Re: 1874-1876 Calvary Uniform and leather for NCO
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2014, 08:54:56 pm »
That would be great, cavsgt! I wear a 42 coat and 32pants.

I will try tomorrow to find out what size my jackets are and get back to you.

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Re: 1874-1876 Calvary Uniform and leather for NCO
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2014, 09:04:03 pm »
Thanks to all of you who have posted.

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Re: 1874-1876 Calvary Uniform and leather for NCO
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2014, 07:26:36 pm »

  My 1874 jacket is a 40R. and a CW Cav. jacket that is not marked but is a little big on me and should be a 42L.  We also have a pistol box unused, cap box unused, saber knot unused and brand new suspenders.  If you are interested in any of this let me know.  Too bad that you are not close enough to just drop by and try on some of the used uniforms, leathers and weapons that we have gotten too old to use.

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Re: 1874-1876 Calvary Uniform and leather for NCO
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2014, 12:13:09 pm »
What I was told is that he has the patterns and will make IW stuff if you ask. The best guy for advice is F Trooper. He has a lot of connections with very good makers.

F Trooper is the one who pointed me toward Quartermaster Depot. The uniform I won the Field uniform competition with at the Grand Muster was made by him. I have a 74 blouse on order from him. He has sent me samples of his fabric and it is similar to the fabric he used to make my shirt.
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Re: 1874-1876 Calvary Uniform and leather for NCO
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2014, 07:04:49 am »
Keep in mind, as well, that the Indian fighting army was notorious for wearing non-standard items in the field.  Look at lots of photos from the period to get the idea of what they actually wore, but I would guess you already have some suitable items from cowboy shooting.
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Re: 1874-1876 Calvary Uniform and leather for NCO
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2014, 09:53:26 am »
I ran into C & C Sutlery out of Idaho on the web.  I know nothing about them other than what I’ve gotten from this website.  They list an 1874 Enlisted Blouse for a base price of $89.95.  Can anyone tell us any more about this vendor?

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Re: 1874-1876 Calvary Uniform and leather for NCO
« Reply #21 on: July 31, 2014, 01:26:14 pm »
Jack check with Joe at www.carterandjasper.com He's like Nick Sekela, if you don't see it listed call him and he can probably make a really good replica.
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Re: 1874-1876 Calvary Uniform and leather for NCO
« Reply #22 on: July 31, 2014, 03:05:00 pm »
I've always thought one of the neatest looking coats was the modified frock that had the "skirt" shortened.


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Re: 1874-1876 Calvary Uniform and leather for NCO
« Reply #23 on: July 31, 2014, 03:11:25 pm »
This is true, to a point; however, there are two things to remember here:  If the person wants to do a Post ACW impression, then he probably wants to wear a uniform that is Post ACW.  The other is that the oft discussed surplus uniforms tended to be classic "Shoddy" in construction, falling apart once in the field ("Melting away in the first good rain" is an often seen quote) as well as made in odd, childlike sizes.  Classic wartime contract overrun abuse.  Many of these uniforms were given away to friendly tribes, used to clothe women and children!

 Thus the Army begged for, and got, a complete redesign and reissue 1872-74.  When the 7th went into the field in 76, it had been completely reuniformed, as well as rearmed.  Cavalry units in particular were rapidly reissued, as they saw most of the Indian era field work.  Infantry units kept the older issue somewhat longer.

All this is academic though, as its simply what Quick Fire wants to do that counts! It must be said that the mid 1870s is about as "anything goes" as it gets for field uniforms! 4 button, 5 button, fireman shirts, jean cloth, bare feet, all can be justified!  ;D
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