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Re: Loading Data for the 50/95WCF
« Reply #25 on: July 29, 2015, 07:43:06 pm »
Update:
Today we tried 5 rounds same 27gr of 5744 but no filler.
Worked great and got a 2 1/4 by 2 inch group at 50 yards.  Yay!
My friend will be loading up some more and wring it out to 100 yards next week.

That'll make a heck of a varmint rifle!
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Re: Loading Data for the 50/95WCF
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2015, 12:34:43 am »
That'll make a heck of a varmint rifle!

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Thanks for your insight and experience to get us to this point.

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Re: Loading Data for the 50/95WCF
« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2015, 07:02:10 pm »
I have an Uberti 50/95 on order so all this reloading info is great. Thanks for posting it. I am wondering about converting brass for this caliber as 3 bucks a peice for the preformed stuff is a bit rich. I have read that you can start out with 348 Winchester, 50 Alaskan, or 50/90 sharps. Has any one here made up some 50/95? What did you start with and what was your procedure?
  Also been looking at dies online and have noticed that there are dies listed for 50/95 express and for 50/95 Uberti chamber. So this means that Uberti has come up with there own chamber dimensions for the 50/95?

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Re: Loading Data for the 50/95WCF
« Reply #28 on: August 02, 2015, 08:18:52 pm »
Buckheart - Congrats on the new rifle, Yer gonna love it!

I use Jamison. 50-95 brass. Buffalo Arms has it for between $1.94 and $1.53 each depending on the quantity purchased. It's good brass and ready to load. Why bother with trying to make it from something else? I use the Uberti Ch4D dies, they work great. If I recall correctly, the shoulder of the uberti chamber is a little different. But not much.
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Re: Loading Data for the 50/95WCF
« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2015, 06:11:37 am »
True - Just a few pennies more for the formed stuff from Buffalo arms.
What dies are you using?

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Re: Loading Data for the 50/95WCF
« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2015, 08:46:59 am »
I use the Uberti .50-95 CH4D dies.
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Re: Loading Data for the 50/95WCF
« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2015, 07:45:35 am »
Are those CH4D dies carbide. They are 3 times the price of the RCBS legacy dies. Currently have mostly RCBS stuff and its all good. I know I'm pinching pennies here but the more I save the more I can shoot.

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Re: Loading Data for the 50/95WCF
« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2015, 11:13:00 am »
No, not carbide.  Back when I got mine 5 or 6 years ago CH4D was the only game in town.  If the RCBS dies are for the Uberti chamber, I'd buy them.
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Re: Loading Data for the 50/95WCF
« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2015, 10:43:26 pm »
Well today was a very good day.
We again shot AA5744 with no filler and 350 gr 514 lead bullet at 50 yards and got a 2 inch group.
We then took it to 100 yards and got an honest 4X2 1/2" group.
We used 27 gr of AA5744 and also 27gr of the factory-loaded powder (which came in at 33 gr) with similar results.
Given that before this journey i was getting 4 foot groups at 50 yards with BA factory rounds saying I'm very happy would be an understatement.  :)

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Re: Loading Data for the 50/95WCF
« Reply #34 on: August 08, 2015, 06:37:47 am »
What do you mean by "factory loaded powder"? Did you pull apart some old production cartridges? Or change the bullets in the BA rounds?

I'm glad to hear that it is shooting well for you. This caliber seems to get a bad reputation for accuracy. It certainly isn't a long range cartridge. But with a little load development it can hold its own within barrel sight range. I added an authentic Riflesmith tang sight to mine. It really helps with my aging eyes.

« Last Edit: August 08, 2015, 06:44:03 am by ndnchf »
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Re: Loading Data for the 50/95WCF
« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2015, 06:45:32 am »
Spot on NDN. Here is a reply I got from Buffalo Arms:

 Hello, I would order the RCBS. When Uberti started making those, the chamber dimensions were different so 4D made dies to compensate. Those are only for very early Uberti‚Äôs. Thanks

 Dies and brass ordered. Have some 50/90 sharps brass on the way too. The 50/90 will give me something to fiddle with and the stuff from Buffalo Arms will get me shooting quicker.

I am not into casting yet. Any suggestions as to were to get some good cast bullets?

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Re: Loading Data for the 50/95WCF
« Reply #36 on: August 08, 2015, 07:22:18 am »
Nice picture NDN. Got one of the whole rifle?
I have another couple months to wait on the next bunch of 76's to get imported so I hear.

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Re: Loading Data for the 50/95WCF
« Reply #37 on: August 08, 2015, 08:55:59 am »
Not sure of a bullet source other than BACO.  They used to sell the Lyman 515139.  There are probably others too.  It sounds like the RCBS dies will be just fine.  Here a another view of my rifle.

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Re: Loading Data for the 50/95WCF
« Reply #38 on: August 08, 2015, 01:18:33 pm »
What do you mean by "factory loaded powder"? Did you pull apart some old production cartridges? Or change the bullets in the BA rounds?

I'm glad to hear that it is shooting well for you. This caliber seems to get a bad reputation for accuracy. It certainly isn't a long range cartridge. But with a little load development it can hold its own within barrel sight range. I added an authentic Riflesmith tang sight to mine. It really helps with my aging eyes.



Yes we (I keep saying we, but it's really my friend doing all the work) pulled the bullets off the BA rounds and inspected the powder under magnification and it looked identical to 5744.  So we loaded up 5 test rounds with 27gr of that powder and compared results with the known 5744.  Shot pretty much identical.
We're feeling confident now that we can reclaim the powder so all we have to do is pull the bullets, remold the lead 51539 mould and re-assemble.
FWIW the 300gr and 350gr BA rounds both contain 33gr of powder but with yesterday's results we'll be loading up a bunch more with 27gr and down the road experiment with loads up to 33gr.  
I originally bought 600 rounds from BA so we have plenty of reusable brass, powder, lead and primers.
ETA:  Thanks again for your help in getting my 76 to be a real shooter.

Disclaimer:  Just want to say the above info is working for my rifle and I'm not making any blanket recommendation for others.
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Re: Loading Data for the 50/95WCF
« Reply #39 on: August 09, 2015, 06:42:58 pm »
Not sure of a bullet source other than BACO.  They used to sell the Lyman 515139.  There are probably others too.  It sounds like the RCBS dies will be just fine.  Here a another view of my rifle.



Thanks Ndnchf. Going to look at that picture every so often till I get mine. Just re-watched Crossfire Trail. I might have to get a Schofield too. ;)

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Re: Loading Data for the 50/95WCF
« Reply #40 on: August 21, 2015, 06:17:59 am »
Got 50 rounds of brass and dies from Buffalo Arms. Great looking stuff although there is a slight shoulder to it which I don't see in any of the pictures of 50/95. I guess this will fire form to the chamber dimension once I start shooting it.
 Also picked up 50 rounds of 50/90 sharps. I can see that of course you have to trim it to length but am wondering how the difference in base  size will effect things. Will it matter that the 50/90 Sharps brass is .036 bigger than the base dimension of the 50/95? I am figureing that this will effect feeding and ejection. Any one have any experience re-forming cases from the Sharps to the 50/95 Exp.?

Just for knowledge sake here they are.

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Re: Loading Data for the 50/95WCF
« Reply #41 on: August 21, 2015, 07:26:44 am »
That's a pretty big difference in base diameter. I've never used 50-90 brass, so can't comment on how it will work. Are you expecting the. 50-95 sizing die to swage down the base to the proper dimension?
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Re: Loading Data for the 50/95WCF
« Reply #42 on: August 21, 2015, 08:32:05 am »
That's a pretty big difference in base diameter. I've never used 50-90 brass, so can't comment on how it will work. Are you expecting the. 50-95 sizing die to swage down the base to the proper dimension?

Thinking that I might have to turn the base diameter down somehow. Don't have a mill or a metal lathe. Not really sure how exacting I can be with some kind of jury rig in my drill press.

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Re: Loading Data for the 50/95WCF
« Reply #43 on: August 21, 2015, 08:04:07 pm »
I've turned down bases on other cartridge conversion projects, but I have a lathe. It would be difficult to do a good job of it without one. In this case, since ready to use Jamison 50-95 brass is available, I don't think it's worth all the effort to try to make it from something else. If for some reason you can't get the jamison brass, I have some extra I can spare.
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Re: Loading Data for the 50/95WCF
« Reply #44 on: August 24, 2015, 05:52:19 am »
Thanks Ndnchf for your generous offer. I have some proper Jamison brass but almost 40 years in the trades has made me some one who likes to tinker with things. Making up some properly demensioned brass would be a project that I might be able to pull off.
Went to a gun show this weekend and spoke to one of the regular vendors from New Hampshire who thinks he might have some Bertram brass kicking around some where.

Thanks again for your offer.
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Re: Loading Data for the 50/95WCF
« Reply #45 on: September 03, 2015, 06:42:32 pm »
So I got a call yesterday from my local gun store telling me that my 1876 had arrived. Closed up shop early and went to pick it up. It had a cracked stock. Right on the bottom point of the crescent but plate you could see a dent in the metal that sent a crack up both sides of the lower part of the stock following the grain. Very disappointing. Interesting thing about the dent in the but plate that caused the crack was that the dent it self was finished over with blueing. It made me wonder if someone realized the damage and tried to make it passable by applying some touch up blueing.

Also, these guys have bullets from the Lyman 515139 mold mentioned in this thread. They will size them to your preference and apply lube for smokeless or black. Going to get some on order.

http://www.montanabulletworks.com/BB_50_caliber.html

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Re: Loading Data for the 50/95WCF
« Reply #46 on: September 03, 2015, 08:06:01 pm »
Wow - that's a shame. I assume you did not accept it and will get another? If so, you might want to wait on the bullets until you have a rifle in hand and slug the bore. They do vary some. I live about an hour away from Taylors & Co. When I bought mine 5+ years ago, I drove over there and picked mine out from their stock. I hope you get it resolved soon.
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Re: Loading Data for the 50/95WCF
« Reply #47 on: September 04, 2015, 03:24:05 am »
No I did not accept it. Hope it doesn't take too long to get a replacement. The order for this one was placed in the beginning of July.

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Re: Loading Data for the 50/95WCF
« Reply #48 on: September 26, 2015, 02:19:50 pm »
Well the replacement 50/95 came in yesterday an I'm actually glad I had to wait for a new one. The wood on this one has some real nice figure in the butt stock. The color case colors are not a vivid as some I've seen here which leads me to believe that they may now be using a chemical treatment as opposed to the real deal. It's still pretty though.
Heading to the reloading room to make up some trail boss loads for tomorrow.

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Re: Loading Data for the 50/95WCF
« Reply #49 on: September 26, 2015, 02:55:12 pm »
Pictures man pictures! You are teasing us ;D. Glad your patience paid off. Have fun and let us know how it goes.
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