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Re: Uberti or Pietta SAA Clone Quality, Durability and Authenticity?
« Reply #100 on: June 08, 2017, 08:53:58 AM »
about 15 years ago, I got my hands on a third gen Colt SAA planning to do an article on it for the Cowboy Chronicle.,  The fit and finish of the stocks was TERRIBLE!, oversized as if not sanded down.  The case blue was washed out, and the cylinder dog drug a line on the cylinder.  Then I got A Hartford Premier.  It was gorgeous, and still less than the Colt.  I personally owned a 1900 vintage 1st Gen in 38WCF, and it was better than the third gen...

Was it a new gun  supplied from the  Colt custom shop? Or was it a second hand gun probably manipulated?

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Re: Uberti or Pietta SAA Clone Quality, Durability and Authenticity?
« Reply #101 on: June 08, 2017, 09:52:50 AM »
The biggest advantage of the clones might be that they allow people like me to participate in Cowboy Shooting. I could never justify spending the money I would need to on a Colt (not saying they're overpriced, just that I'm not in a position to do so). If it wasn't for these clones, my suspicion is that CAS/SASS never would have really taken hold.
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Re: Uberti or Pietta SAA Clone Quality, Durability and Authenticity?
« Reply #102 on: June 08, 2017, 04:17:42 PM »
I understand the need for quality and durability which is why I invested in Rugers way back when I started playing this game. I can honestly say that other than upgrading the grips with checkered buffalo horn and a couple of coils cut off the mainsprings my .45 Rugers are stock. Authenticity is something else though. We all choose how 'authentic ' we want to be. From Civil War reenactors who pull their machine sewed shirts apart so they can hand stich them back together to cowboys with crotch holsters holding tricked out .32s and mouse fart loads in their short stroke rifles. A reproduction is just that and only that no matter who makes it. Modern metallurgy should be superior to 100 year old metallurgy but the gunmakers skill has gone downhill for the most part. It's all about the bottom line. We need to be true to ourselves and see things as they are. Most of us shoot repro Colt and Winchester firearms, some of us shoot original Colt and Winchester, most shoot a combination of both. We are all trying to experience this part of our country's past. Enjoy the sport, enjoy the firearms but mostly enjoy the people. The stories you tell are about the guys and gals you've shot with not how authentic somebody's gun was.
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Re: Uberti or Pietta SAA Clone Quality, Durability and Authenticity?
« Reply #103 on: September 16, 2017, 06:43:03 AM »
I dont own any of Cimarrons ubertis or piettas, but im curious to know if uberti and pietta have the flat spring/hand that are in the BP revolvers or are they like in my uberti horseman where its a screw and spring in the frame to help move the hand. Could someone help me out here?

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Re: Uberti or Pietta SAA Clone Quality, Durability and Authenticity?
« Reply #104 on: September 16, 2017, 07:44:55 AM »
I purchased this Uberti in early '17' - 32/20 , replace the Grips with Black Walnut , noted it has the coil spring & screw in the frame.
This SS Uberti in 45 is a 2014 and has the coil spring & screw.
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Re: Uberti or Pietta SAA Clone Quality, Durability and Authenticity?
« Reply #105 on: September 16, 2017, 03:44:25 PM »
I dont own any of Cimarrons ubertis or piettas, but im curious to know if uberti and pietta have the flat spring/hand that are in the BP revolvers or are they like in my uberti horseman where its a screw and spring in the frame to help move the hand. Could someone help me out here?

The Pietta SAA's and Uberti SAA's for a long time now, do have coil hand springs.  Ubertis have a setscrew behind the spring, Piettas do not.  The various conversions, opentops, and percussion guns have old-style flat handsprings.

Edit: some years ago I saw a brand new '71 Opentop out of the box that had a hole drilled for a coil handspring (though it did not have one).  Which led me to believe Uberti was going to start putting coils in those guns.  But to my knowledge they never did.

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Re: Uberti or Pietta SAA Clone Quality, Durability and Authenticity?
« Reply #106 on: May 12, 2020, 09:07:51 PM »
I will repeat what I posted in another topic:

"Cimarron does sell both Uberti and Pietta SAA's and I have handled quite a few of each.  If authenticity is important to you then Uberti all the way, for a number of small and large differences I won't go into.  If authenticity is not and you just want something for either competition or general shooting, then either is a nice six shooter.  Pietta generally feels much smoother out of the box.  Lighter springs for sure.  Feels like more polish inside as well.  Pietta has squared front and rear sights versus tapered front and v-notch rear of the standard Uberti Model P.  There are other Model P's like the Evil Roys and stainless guns that do have squared sights.  Uberti has the polyurethane finish on the grips.  I've seen the Pietta the same way but I think oiled grip is the standard now.  The Uberti's could use lighter springs, and for some folks that is all they need.  Both brands tend to be timed pretty well out of the box.  I think both brands can hold up well for CAS use.  Serious competitors would want to get an action job with either, though the Pietta might need less work.   I like the Ubertis better for the authentiicity issues. "

Now, having said that, I think that the Uberti Cattleman from some importers other than Cimarron might still have the "safety hammer" with hammer-block linkage in the hammer.  I don't care too much for the looks of that.  Regarding finish, I think the blued cylinders and barrels on the current Piettas are slightly more polished than Uberti.  The case colors on the Pietta tend to be brighter than the average Uberti Cattleman, although the case colors Uberti puts on the Cimarron Model P's looks about the same as the Pietta to me.

After acquiring my first ever Pietta , and owning several Ubertis, I am in total agreement with Abilene on every point he made. The frame contours are better on the Ubertis, but the action on the Piettas are killer. The only thing I had to do on the Pistolero was polish the moving parts and that did not take that much. The Pistolero will past the "10 foot test", though.
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Re: Uberti or Pietta SAA Clone Quality, Durability and Authenticity?
« Reply #107 on: September 06, 2020, 10:39:52 PM »
One more point of data regarding initial build quality.  All the Italian guns can have the occasional issue, and this is just another one of those.  A friend bought a Cimarron Pietta stainless frontier .45 (I think) about a month ago, and shot one match with it.  He said it was over-rotating a lot.  I think he changed the trigger/bolt spring.  So this weekend at the Texas state SASS championship match his son was with him and was shooting it (his son's 3rd match and 2nd match for this gun).  After a few stages he got 5 clicks, set it down, finished the stage.  At the unloading table we're all looking at the base pin to see if it was pushed all the way in, when I noticed the firing pin retainer pin had backed out to the right and was hitting the frame and preventing the hammer from falling.  Oops!  State match not the best place for that sort of thing to happen.

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Re: Uberti or Pietta SAA Clone Quality, Durability and Authenticity?
« Reply #108 on: January 19, 2021, 09:27:00 AM »
Well, I guess after all these years in this thread, the Ubertis and Piettas are still a good bet -- with an occasional issue.

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Re: Uberti or Pietta SAA Clone Quality, Durability and Authenticity?
« Reply #109 on: January 19, 2021, 02:20:45 PM »

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Re: Uberti or Pietta SAA Clone Quality, Durability and Authenticity?
« Reply #110 on: January 19, 2021, 05:43:12 PM »
Converting my four Uberti open tops to coil hand springs. Two of them were over-rotating brand new, installed new Pietta bolts to solve the problem, bot with lots of advice from Coffinmaker. Thank you sir.
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