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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #60 on: January 23, 2012, 08:31:17 AM »
Fantastic job dying the belt-you look great!

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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #61 on: January 23, 2012, 10:44:41 AM »
Thanks for the positive words
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #62 on: January 23, 2012, 09:03:13 PM »
Capital letters and punctuation please.  A little expansive knowledge would not hurt, either.
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #63 on: January 23, 2012, 11:39:05 PM »
A bit of a disclaimer: I don't make the canvas Mills belts. (I haven't located a good supply of the proper weight of canvas, and frankly haven't tried too hard as I've never had a request for one.)  Wouldn't be much of a problem, as I have the industrial sewing machine that can do the job.  I do make the M1874 Dyer Pouch.  [Point of historical background to the Dyer Pouch: They were issued, but were pretty thoroughly disliked, probably because they concentrated the weight of twenty-odd .45-70 rounds.  At one point during the Big Horn & Yellowstone Expedition, troops under BG George Crook were inspected in the field by Capt. Michaelis and a lieutenant whose name I forget.  Most of the troops had discarded the Dyer pouches in favor of saddler-made prairie belts (leather loops on a leather waist belt). Michaelis finally found one sergeant who was wearing the pouch. Impressed by the "well-turned-out" NCO, he asked the man to open his pouch to reveal the cartridges inside.  Unfortunately, when the sergeant complied, the pouch was found to contain...a sandwich!  ::) ] No record of Michaelis' recommendations vis-a-vis the Dyer Pouch, but the advent of the canvas Mills belts pretty much put the quietus on the pouches.

I do like the way that red-dyed belt looks; also the blue-dyed one. 
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #64 on: January 24, 2012, 04:50:56 AM »
Capital letters and punctuation please.  A little expansive knowledge would not hurt, either.
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #65 on: January 24, 2012, 05:38:49 AM »
The regret probably hits him about the same time the munchies do.
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #66 on: January 24, 2012, 09:31:39 AM »
At one point during the Big Horn & Yellowstone Expedition, troops under BG George Crook were inspected in the field by Capt. Michaelis and a lieutenant whose name I forget.  Most of the troops had discarded the Dyer pouches in favor of saddler-made prairie belts (leather loops on a leather waist belt). Michaelis finally found one sergeant who was wearing the pouch. Impressed by the "well-turned-out" NCO, he asked the man to open his pouch to reveal the cartridges inside.  Unfortunately, when the sergeant complied, the pouch was found to contain...a sandwich!

I love that story! I just goes to show you how things were adapted from their original purpose.
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #67 on: February 02, 2012, 10:34:40 AM »
One suggestion from you all was was to update to the 1872 pattern sergeant stripes. I ordered some from Quartermaster and they arrived yesterday. They are really nicely made!

Now I just need to sew them on.
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #68 on: February 02, 2012, 06:14:48 PM »
The regret probably hits him about the same time the munchies do.

I think our friend may prefer something with more of an "edge".

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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #69 on: February 02, 2012, 07:59:23 PM »
One question I have now that I see the stripes. The very ends of the stripes are simply cut. Since they are wool they should not fray when I sew them down. My question is, should they be turned under or just sewn down?
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #70 on: February 04, 2012, 10:36:45 AM »
One question I have now that I see the stripes. The very ends of the stripes are simply cut. Since they are wool they should not fray when I sew them down. My question is, should they be turned under or just sewn down?

Most of the ones I've seen were turned under.  That doesn't mean that some were just sewn on with the raw edge visable.

Remember, you are depicting an NCO.  They usually had pride in their appearence and would want their uniforms to reflect that pride.

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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #71 on: February 04, 2012, 10:19:55 PM »
I just won an original artillery first sergeant stripe of the 1872 pattern at auction today. I will compare it to the ones I got from Quartermaster Shop fo our edification. I will also look at how the end is treated.
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #72 on: February 05, 2012, 03:05:34 PM »
OFFICIALLY, the edges were supposed to be let into the seams of the sleeve.  However actual items rarely if ever show this done (mainly because the sleeve are lined and you almost shave to take the whole thing apart) so mostly they are just turned under to finish them off.  Also some variants of jacket/coat didn't have two piece sleeves.  Another wonderful example of right hand and left hand government agencies not really knowing what's going on.

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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #73 on: February 05, 2012, 09:25:23 PM »
That is fascinating Chris! Thanks
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #74 on: February 06, 2012, 12:31:26 PM »
All:
I have been going nuts looking for the link that either Hopalong or F Trooper posted that had the deminsions of the wooden ammo boxes.  I thought it was in this thread, but cannot find it.

This thread has really been interesting.  Thanks for all yall's input.

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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #75 on: February 06, 2012, 12:44:06 PM »
I have those dimensions at home. I'll post them tonight.

I have made three ammo crates from dimensional lumber. They are not that hard to make. The hard part was cutting the stencils for the lettering.
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #76 on: February 06, 2012, 12:52:45 PM »
Also, if you're too lazy and have not construction skills like me, you can always just go with:

http://charliesboatworks.com/PostCivilWarIndianWars.htm

He supplies to alot of museums because he even has the wax stamp down.

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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #77 on: February 06, 2012, 03:00:05 PM »
It was the Charlies Boatworks link that had the deminisions for the boxes.  Thanks, I could not find the thread yall had been posting.  Hopalong do you have a copy of the stencils?  I am lazy and do not want to do the lay out work.  I think I could cut the stencils if I had a copy of how the box is marked. 

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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #78 on: February 06, 2012, 04:11:32 PM »
Interior dimensions
14 1/2" long
12" Wide
6 9/15" deep

Exterior Dimensions
15" long
15" Wide
9" deep


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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #79 on: February 06, 2012, 07:44:14 PM »
Question concerning the dyed edge Mills belt-how long did they continue doing that?Would it be correct for early 1890's Infantry? And would it be white, or blue? (on 50 round tan belt)

 

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