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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2012, 08:19:28 pm »
Looking at your kit, I'd suggest a 30 round tent canvas cartridge slide for your belt.  Very popular/useful field item, well within your sewing capabilities.
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2012, 09:26:45 pm »
The G.I series is great.  I could not recommend a better for him Drydock!  You may also want the one on "Bluecoats".  Sadly, as mentioned on another thread, artillery (do to its limited role) often gets overlook.  Even Doug McChristian told me he glazed over it in his books.  For one thing in the 1870's you start to see ordnance references to "Knapsack, Light Artillery" that is different from what everyone else carries.  We are still tracking that one down.  We have a basic idea, but the minute details elude us.

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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #27 on: January 17, 2012, 06:26:59 am »
I have been making historical footwear since 1990 and the shoemaker in me says, great! more opportunities to make more shoes or boots. I will make a pair of appropriate Pattern 1876 shoes as well.
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I have a pair of the M-1872 shoe which are just like the M-1876 shoe but with a shorter tongue, and a pair of the M-1876 boots. Both are the best quality repro's I could find. If you come to the Dept. Muster in July, you can look them over then.
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #28 on: January 17, 2012, 10:43:21 am »
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I have a pair of the M-1872 shoe which are just like the M-1876 shoe but with a shorter tongue, and a pair of the M-1876 boots. Both are the best quality repro's I could find. If you come to the Dept. Muster in July, you can look them over then.

I will be at the muster and I look forward to seeing them in the flesh.
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #29 on: January 17, 2012, 10:57:20 am »
Looking at your kit, I'd suggest a 30 round tent canvas cartridge slide for your belt.  Very popular/useful field item, well within your sewing capabilities.

Can you point me to a picture of what this might look like. I can certainly make one.
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #30 on: January 17, 2012, 03:51:14 pm »
I think something like this.  This is Sgt. John Comfort.  Company A, 4th Cavalry about 1876 picture was taken after he won MHO in 1874 and made Sgt.).  This is a classic image used in most books to show the "campaign trooper".

Comfort is a neat guy, he was officially stationed at Fort McKavett, Texas in 1874.  He enlisted in a light artillery battery at the end of the Civil War but the Commander was a pain and they kind of mutinied.  He was drummed out.  Couldn't hack civilian life and enlisted in 4th Cav.  He was one of those soldiers that in the field was a regimental favorite and hard fighter, in garrison he was a nightmare and drunk.  He is released from service in 1877 or 1878 (have to look it up again) for health issues.  Move to California.  Again, can;t hack civilian life and enlists again.  This time in Battery E, 1st Artillery and is with the Hotchkiss guns at Wounded Knee.  He is cited for bravery when he uses his gun to lay suppressive fire that allows a pin downed Hotchkiss crew with many wounded to retire to safety.  (Hmmm...pinning down a whole gun crew and wounding some so they can't fire...not bad for unarmed Indians...right?)

He again is discharged for medical reasons in the mid 1890's and dies of his condition shortly after.  However a rumor persisted among his old comrades that he was with the Rough Riders and killed in Cuba (not true, but tells you how he was looked upon as a soldier legend).

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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2012, 04:09:06 pm »
What a great story and a wonderful picture.
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2012, 04:49:22 pm »
I've got one I can show you at the Dept. Muster.
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2012, 10:53:38 am »
Is it a whole belt ot just a slide?
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2012, 01:51:02 pm »
Its just a slide, goes over your existing waistbelt.  A rectangle of tent canvas, approx  30" long, 4.5" wide.  Sew a one inch strip of the same canvas in loops 3/4" from one edge, then fold over, double folding the long edges and stitch together.  Slides over a 2" belt.  Post Sutlers and saddlers made these until the Mills belts became common issue.

I'm guessing on the measurements here, but I hope you get the idea.
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2012, 05:32:29 pm »
about how many cartridges does it hold?
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2012, 08:05:55 pm »
Well, my 30 round tent canvas cartridge slide holds 30 rounds . . . ;)
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2012, 08:25:21 pm »
is it possible to see a snapshot of yours?
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #38 on: January 18, 2012, 09:09:30 pm »
I just want to be sure I understand what you are talking about. Is it something like this?
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #39 on: January 19, 2012, 06:20:51 am »
It's hard to tell from your picture, but that looks like the reproduction of the M-1876 prairie belt.
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2012, 06:31:24 am »
I think I need to just buy a 1876 belt for this kit but the idea of makig a slide for an earlier impression appeals to me.
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #41 on: January 19, 2012, 08:25:35 am »
By 1880, a First Sergeant would've been issued a Model 1876 Prairie Belt.

Outside of the CO - he'd be the next in line for new equipment.

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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2012, 08:33:42 am »
Are there any out there on the market that are partiularly good or particularly bad?
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2012, 08:37:11 am »
I believe that 'Trailrider' and Dave Carrico make nice ones.

Then there are the other sutlers whose sites you've already been directed to for other items of uniform, too.

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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #44 on: January 19, 2012, 08:46:22 am »
The least expensive one seems to be Coon Creek but it looks like thier buckle is put on differently than the others.
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #45 on: January 19, 2012, 09:12:25 am »
Very like that, but made of white tent canvas,  and slides on/off, where the 1876 would be attatched by a loop to the buckle end of the belt.  I'll try to get my wife to take a picture and see if we can post it later this week.
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #46 on: January 19, 2012, 09:44:04 am »
My original belts all have the buckle frame secured to the belt from the outside frame, and not from the center.

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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #47 on: January 19, 2012, 10:08:17 am »
My original belts all have the buckle frame secured to the belt from the outside frame, and not from the center.
And the ones I've seen the buckles have been a rough cast brass buckle.
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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #48 on: January 19, 2012, 05:05:27 pm »
a lleather belt with a pouch for a artiillary sargent, cant see why he would need a mills ammo belt

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Re: Please Critique My Kit. Circa 1880 Artillery Sergeant
« Reply #49 on: January 19, 2012, 05:37:16 pm »
Liten, Are you talking about a McKeever box?
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