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Re: late 19th century US military ammo boxes and crates
« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2012, 08:51:11 PM »
A seller on e-bay I check sometimes,walterbudd-militarygoods-has a trapdoor rifle crate with several pictures and a description of it with some dimensions if your looking for a bigger box.

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Re: late 19th century US military ammo boxes and crates
« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2012, 08:54:57 PM »
  You can see many of these crates at Fort Laramie in the Post Traders Store.  Laramie is pretty much the main NPS research ares for Indian War era.  They have a couple original crated (or at least planks with shipping info) and when I was there a few years ago they had just gotten in an 1870's flour barrel with most of its blue paint and shipping markings intact (it had been in a barn a few miles away since the 1870's!!!).

They also have an original foot locker built at Fort Hartsuff.
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Re: late 19th century US military ammo boxes and crates
« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2012, 09:11:32 PM »
A seller on e-bay I check sometimes,walterbudd-militarygoods-has a trapdoor rifle crate with several pictures and a description of it with some dimensions if your looking for a bigger box.

I loved the bayonet scabbard crate they had.
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Re: late 19th century US military ammo boxes and crates
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2012, 10:29:09 PM »
My copy of an the 1878 ordinance memoranda specified the color (olive for rifle rounds) and the size of an ammo crate for 45/70 rifle rounds and this site (http://www.mcpheetersantiquemilitaria.com/10_field_equip/10_item_025.htm) showed me the markings I started making an ammo crate today. When the glue dries I will begin painting and cutting the stencils.

The ordinance regs call for blue paint on the carbine crate. What shade of blue do you all think was used?
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Re: late 19th century US military ammo boxes and crates
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2012, 11:22:35 PM »
http://www.charliesboatworks.com/

This is the manufacturer I ordered some ammo boxes for prize giveaways at GAF events.


Bent's Cracker Co., an original government supplier of hardtack, is still in business and offers a hardtack box you can fill with their hardtack.
http://www.bentscookiefactory.com/store.html

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Re: late 19th century US military ammo boxes and crates
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Re: late 19th century US military ammo boxes and crates
« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2012, 06:09:21 AM »
The ordinance regs call for blue paint on the carbine crate. What shade of blue do you all think was used?
When I was building my footlocker I knew the one I was copying was at Ft. Laramie. I called them and they mailed me a paint chip with the correct color circled. If they have one of the crates you're recreating maybe they'd do the same thing for you. Just suggest that if you're going to do that call them right now when they are less busy than in the summer with grass to mow and visitors to help.
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Re: late 19th century US military ammo boxes and crates
« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2012, 02:34:39 PM »
Delmonico,

You are correct.  I meant to say 1860's (my typo) as I couldn't remember if it was 1866 or '68.  Thanks for catching that.

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Re: late 19th century US military ammo boxes and crates
« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2012, 04:21:47 PM »
Delmonico,

You are correct.  I meant to say 1860's (my typo) as I couldn't remember if it was 1866 or '68.  Thanks for catching that.

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Easy to do, I just wanted it right for the record, to be truthful I thought the Bertand was 1857.
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Re: late 19th century US military ammo boxes and crates
« Reply #28 on: January 15, 2012, 04:07:16 PM »
Here are pics of the two crates I have completed so far.



Hi res version:
http://talbotsfineaccessories.com/cowboy/P1011954.JPG
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Re: late 19th century US military ammo boxes and crates
« Reply #29 on: January 15, 2012, 04:10:20 PM »
They look great!  Good work!
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Re: late 19th century US military ammo boxes and crates
« Reply #30 on: January 15, 2012, 04:11:55 PM »
Hand cutting the stencils is the time consuming bit. Now that I have these stencils I will make some more boxes.
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Re: late 19th century US military ammo boxes and crates
« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2012, 10:44:01 AM »
I have some pictures of an original .577/450 Martini Henry ammo crate.  When I get a chance, I will have to post them here.  It's one of those things I should have bought on sight, but hesitated just a moment too long.  Emailed the guy for dimensions, he said he would get them before it shipped, but never came through.

Oh well.

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Re: late 19th century US military ammo boxes and crates
« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2012, 11:49:31 AM »
I would love to see those pics. I have several martinis and would love to have an ammo crate.
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Re: late 19th century US military ammo boxes and crates
« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2012, 11:08:40 PM »
My apologies.  It's a Snider ammo crate.  However, a friend of mine is the site manager at Fort Battleford and has some reproduction MH crates.  I will have to try to remember to get some pictures and measurements (or just the source would be good) and get them to you.

Here are the crate pictures anyhow.






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Re: late 19th century US military ammo boxes and crates
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2012, 11:07:24 AM »
That is a sweet looking crate. I have a snider as well as several martinis so I may need to make one of those boxes too someday.

I started a couple more ammo crates last night.
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Re: late 19th century US military ammo boxes and crates
« Reply #35 on: February 26, 2012, 05:59:35 PM »
Why would you build them weathered?,.....at the time being re enacted they were new,.....maybe dusty but new....
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Re: late 19th century US military ammo boxes and crates
« Reply #36 on: February 26, 2012, 06:13:49 PM »
http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,19260.0.html

Here's my stuff on this thread link above,.....
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Re: late 19th century US military ammo boxes and crates
« Reply #37 on: February 26, 2012, 07:43:33 PM »
Why would you build them weathered?,.....at the time being re enacted they were new,.....maybe dusty but new....

I want one of the boxes to look like it has been around for a while. The rest of the boxes are made to look new.

The one that has sat out this winter has a more slightly mellowed coloring and the cut edges are less glaring.
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Re: late 19th century US military ammo boxes and crates
« Reply #38 on: February 26, 2012, 07:49:55 PM »
http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,19260.0.html

Here's my stuff on this thread link above,.....

Your work is breathtaking.

If you are willing to engage in some shop talk I am all ears!

I particularly like what you have done with the pasteboard boxes. I have been makinng some mock ups but i have not finished any to my satisfaction. If you would case to share your wisdom in this matter I would be glad to soak it up.
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Re: late 19th century US military ammo boxes and crates
« Reply #39 on: February 26, 2012, 08:53:47 PM »
I'm still not happy with most of them,.....they are a constant work in progress when I have time,.....I'm feeling the urge to create again,....been a long dry spell,....
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