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M.1899 Campaign Hat
« on: December 20, 2011, 06:28:39 PM »
    On the balcony of the great Civil War relic show at Franklin, Tennessee early this month I acquires an M.1899 U.S. Army campaign hat. Two moth holes, otherwise excellent shape. Only one I've ever seen in person. Have several M.1911s, of course, and acquired. about thirty years ago. an M.1889 is pretty decent shape, but missing the sweatband. At this rate, I'll have one of each model when I'm just 275 years old.

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Re: M.1899 Campaign Hat
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2011, 07:03:32 PM »
Cool!

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Re: M.1899 Campaign Hat
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2011, 11:23:34 PM »
Yes, picture please. 
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Re: M.1899 Campaign Hat
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2011, 04:03:35 AM »
Pictures are no problem. Just that I have no clue how to transfer them from my computer to this forum.

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Re: M.1899 Campaign Hat
« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2011, 05:17:56 AM »
Educate me.  How is the 1899 different than the 1889?  I had no idea there WAS an 1899.
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Re: M.1899 Campaign Hat
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2011, 08:34:08 AM »
Pictures are no problem. Just that I have no clue how to transfer them from my computer to this forum.

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Click on "REPLY", in the upper body of the reply box you'll see two (2) rows of "buttons", you want the 3rd from the left in the second row, "ADD IMAGES" click that and it will allow you to post pics from your computer to this site, just follow the prompts. If you have any difficulties, you can email them to me (email address is in my profile) and I'll post 'em here for you.
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Re: M.1899 Campaign Hat
« Reply #6 on: December 21, 2011, 11:11:55 AM »
Later than my area of expertice, but I believe the '99 has a metal vent
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Re: M.1899 Campaign Hat
« Reply #7 on: December 21, 2011, 02:58:37 PM »
1899 campaign hat . not a lot diffrent from the 1889

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Re: M.1899 Campaign Hat
« Reply #8 on: December 21, 2011, 03:52:20 PM »
    The 1883 had relatively small, circular brass vents, was available in black or drab, and had two rows of stitching around the edge of the brim. The M.1899 had larger, blackened aluminum vents, was rarely other than drab color, had three rows of stitching around the edge of the brim, and often aluminum or composition spacers between the sweatband and the hat's body to improve air circulation for the wearer's head. Only regulation until 1902 (when a pattern of ventilation holes punched into the hat's crown in the shape of a star was adopted), survivors are rare. Heck, ALL those pre-1911 campaign hats are rare. I'll try to post pictures tonight.
    This hat allegedly belonged to one Sheffield Clark. With the hat came a photo of him in what appears to be a  species of M.1898 uniform, all drab but for the pointed cuffs, which are lighter in color and thus may be yellow.  Family history asserts he was murdered by "a madman" in New Orleans.

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Re: M.1899 Campaign Hat
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2011, 04:46:56 PM »
Pics of the 1899 Campaign Hat courtesy of 5judge

 
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Re: M.1899 Campaign Hat
« Reply #10 on: December 21, 2011, 05:46:52 PM »
Thanks for sharing!  I learned something!
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Re: M.1899 Campaign Hat
« Reply #11 on: December 24, 2011, 01:48:54 PM »
5Judge pretty much summed it up.  The 1899 was supposed to be a "tropicalized" version.  The standard version was as he described.

Several versions were experimented with various corrugated materials (aluminum, papier mache, cardboard, etc) bewteen the hat and the sweatband.

Most did have large brass screens (about 1") some had bright brass and one I saw in a museum had the outer ring of the vent painted tan to match the hat!

The 1899 also brought back the hat cord!  They are a very rare and under-appreciated hat, being mostly associated with a very important and likewise under-appreciated campaign, the Philippines 1898-1902 (after having read an EXCELLENT book on the subject) one begins to realize that the Cuba Campaign on 1898 is almost insignificant compared to the PI.  In relationship to men, involved, costs, lives, territory, time, and its relationship to future events (WW2 and such) about the only thing Cuba really did was get the ball rolling in the PI!

I was VERY lucky recently to find an older F. Burgess M1899 (never advertised in the catalogs) in my size and still in the original box and never even creased!  I have an original 8th Corps/2nd Division badge to put on it as well.  This was the Division commanded by Douglas MacArther's father and included the 33rd US Volunteers.  A Texas raised Regiment that was issued 100 .30-40 M1895 Winchester Lever Action rifles for testing!

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Re: M.1899 Campaign Hat
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2011, 08:13:50 PM »
that would be a awesum hat to see, are you going to shape it ?? f trooper

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Re: M.1899 Campaign Hat
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2011, 01:59:45 PM »
Yes, next time I get to Fort Worth.  My Half-brother owns a western wear store and has been creasing hats professionally since he was 11 years old (he's almost 50 now).  So I am going to have him do it then trick it out as the 33rd USV Infantry.

It is interesting, the 33rd was made up mostly of Texans.  If you know anything about Texas history, then you know that Texas won its independence from Mexico at the Battle of San Jacinto in 1836.  The 33rd was the regiment in 1899 that broke the back of the Philippine Army at the battle of...wait for it...SAN JACINTO, Luzon!  After that the Philippine Army disintegrated into guerrilla forces.

Eventually I'd like to get another hat (in a size 7 1/2-7 3/8) add the large vents (I do have a source for these) and have someone do it with the corrugated sweatband...that would be awesome!

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Re: M.1899 Campaign Hat
« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2011, 03:25:24 PM »
the trick to shaping the crown is to get   the top  bigger than the bottom, so that it  gives it that angle efect from a side veiwing.

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Re: M.1899 Campaign Hat
« Reply #15 on: December 27, 2011, 03:54:39 PM »
FYO, www.turnerlaughlinsales.com carries  replica M.1883 and M.1899 ventilators under the heading "headgear parts".

 

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