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Re: 2012 GAF Grand Muster: Garnett KS
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2012, 05:17:31 pm »
Captmack  (and other interested parties):

For those that do not want to do the primitive camping on-site, there is the Garnett Inn and RV Park (Sheila Woosley  785-448-6800 or www.garnettinnandrvpark.com) located 2.5 miles from the range.

Last time I stayed there (2011) they had a good clean place, and reasonable rates.  Very easy commute to the range. (3 - left turns)
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Re: 2012 GAF Grand Muster: Garnett KS
« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2012, 08:45:38 am »
Looks like I can't make it, will be training on one of my new systems.

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Re: 2012 GAF Grand Muster: Garnett KS
« Reply #27 on: July 03, 2012, 06:11:15 pm »
Training shifted to December, so I can make it. How do I get a registration form, how much is the registration?

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Re: 2012 GAF Grand Muster: Garnett KS
« Reply #28 on: July 03, 2012, 09:31:54 pm »
Great news! Now If something just happened you you could come to Nebraska next week. :o
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Re: 2012 GAF Grand Muster: Garnett KS
« Reply #29 on: July 04, 2012, 10:18:24 am »

  unfortunately it is so hot that I need to stay home to take care of livestock. But I will be getting a registration form on here soon. I would like to get a short review of your course of fire.
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Re: 2012 GAF Grand Muster: Garnett KS
« Reply #30 on: July 05, 2012, 05:27:59 pm »
I second the request on a course-of-fire summary - or at least a round count.  I am undecided wheter to register as "Rifleman (SS rifle & pistol) or "Infantryman (SS rifle only).  I assume the Infatryman may expend mor rifle ammo than a Rifleman?:  "The Infantryman shall engage only designated rifle targets but may be required to engage extra designated targets in lieu of shooting the pistol targets."

My rifle ammo is rather expensive (even empty brass), so I would like to have an idea what I will need in time to "arrange financing" to obtain enough...
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Re: 2012 GAF Grand Muster: Garnett KS
« Reply #31 on: July 06, 2012, 08:13:11 pm »
Saw something online, I have ordered 2 items for door prizes.

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Re: 2012 GAF Grand Muster: Garnett KS
« Reply #32 on: July 08, 2012, 08:16:52 pm »
Captmack  (and other interested parties):

For those that do not want to do the primitive camping on-site, there is the Garnett Inn and RV Park (Sheila Woosley  785-448-6800 or www.garnettinnandrvpark.com) located 2.5 miles from the range.

Last time I stayed there (2011) they had a good clean place, and reasonable rates.  Very easy commute to the range. (3 - left turns)

Thanks for the info Guns.

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Re: 2012 GAF Grand Muster: Garnett KS
« Reply #33 on: July 19, 2012, 09:33:01 am »
The first registration has been recieved from Major C.O. Jones.


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Re: 2012 GAF Grand Muster: Garnett KS
« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2012, 11:09:09 pm »
http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,44330.0.html

Anyone from the southwest want to wagon train to the grand Muster?
I sure want to go but need someone to help drive the team.  Safford AZ, about 3 hrs east from phoenix is where i'd be leaving from.
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Re: 2012 GAF Grand Muster: Garnett KS
« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2012, 08:01:28 am »
I have started gathering door prizes for the Grand Muster.  Last year Windy City did a great job w/door prizes would like to get close this year.  If you can come up w/something bring it w/you.  I am still not a member of GAF. I have tried a number of times to register on line with no success.  I have taken the name and address off the FAF site and mail a hard copy at least twice about to give up.

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Re: 2012 GAF Grand Muster: Garnett KS
« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2012, 08:53:56 am »
I have started gathering door prizes for the Grand Muster.  Last year Windy City did a great job w/door prizes would like to get close this year.  If you can come up w/something bring it w/you.  I am still not a member of GAF. I have tried a number of times to register on line with no success.  I have taken the name and address off the FAF site and mail a hard copy at least twice about to give up.

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 the gentleman you'll wish to e-mule in here is Bull Schmitt, I believe. The registration off the web site is done sporadically, but rest assured you are a member.
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Re: 2012 GAF Grand Muster: Garnett KS
« Reply #37 on: July 25, 2012, 07:00:42 pm »
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Re: 2012 GAF Grand Muster: Garnett KS
« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2012, 11:29:18 am »
I would like to get a short review of your course of fire.

I second the request on a course-of-fire summary - or at least a round count.  I am undecided wheter to register as "Rifleman (SS rifle & pistol) or "Infantryman (SS rifle only).  I assume the Infatryman may expend mor rifle ammo than a Rifleman?:  "The Infantryman shall engage only designated rifle targets but may be required to engage extra designated targets in lieu of shooting the pistol targets."

For reviews of what we did at the Dept. Muster please see the DOMM 2012 thread in the After Action Reports: http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,44406.25.html It contains several. Also be sure to look at Cowtown Scout's photobucket slide show for a look at the targets we used. I realize you will need to use the targets you have, though I might be able to bring a few of ours for people to try. Anyway I think you'll like to at least see what we used.

We had 3 stages of between 15 and 22 rifle targets and between 5 and 10 pistol targets. With the heat we took some time off during the hottest part of the day and still finished all three stages in 1 day. We had 13 shooters  (I counted myself twice as I shot in 2 classes). We all shot in the same squad.  This doesn't sound like a lot of shooting but it was enough to be satisfying and yet not so much as to risk heat casualties. Most participants expended somewhere between 100 and 115 rifle cartridges. In the last couple of years that we have used the skirmish format we have found that 15 to 22 rifle targets in the heat of July is about optimal. Given that you will be hosting the GM in Oct. and that it is the Grand Muster you might want to add a couple more stages and/or a few more targets per stage.

The distance to the pistol targets was in the 10 to 20 yard range and the distance to rifle targets was somewhere in the 50 to 100 yard range. If a contestant hit a target 3 times without knocking it down it is considered dead. If he misses 2 to 3 times he is encouraged to move closer. We usually throw in some bayonet dummies, ect. One thing we found is that this number of targets will neccesitate using a stopwatch as most shot timers reset at 2 minutes and these stages tend to run between 8 and 10 minutes.

Time must also be figured in to allow the Long Range match as it is now included in the Brigade Championship computations.

The following is a video of Ned Niederlanders first run at the first stage. I ran out of memory on my camera or I would have video from all 3 stages.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4EjUYh8mxc&feature=youtube_gdata

I recognize that my setup is unique and adjustments might need to be made, but this is the review you requested.

Guns I shot the EEM (same format as the main match) in Staff Officer (pistol only) thus engaging all targets with pistol only and shot roughly the same total round count (ie. 25 rifle targets+ 10 Pistol targets= 35 targets) as if I had shot it as most folk did using a rifle and a pistol. Again with all targets being "must hit" there is no way an exact round count can be given but a rough rule of thumb is that most folks will use approximately 2 shots for each rifle target  and the same or slightly less for each pistol target. This approximation will be +/- depending on the distance to the target.

I hope other participants will add their comments on the stages and setup, ect. This is a match and format that; as one participant said, "Truly needs to be experienced to be fully appreciated."
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Re: 2012 GAF Grand Muster: Garnett KS
« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2012, 05:54:32 pm »
Just my 2 cents, but I think a 3 stage  Main Skirmish match, A single stage EEM Skirmish, with a seprerate long range component for both Main and EEM, is just about optimal for a 3 day match.  I'd rather see a few more targets than additional Runs.  But 20 to 25 seems about right.

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-One skirmish run in the Morning, one in the afternoon.  If numbers warrent, split into 2 squads and swap off. Long range that evening.

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-Final Skirmish for all hands in the morning, awards in the early afternoon, and everyone's away!

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Re: 2012 GAF Grand Muster: Garnett KS
« Reply #40 on: August 03, 2012, 06:37:09 pm »
With the inclusion of the long range in the Brigade Championship, I'd rather see it on Saturday or Sunday for the sake of those that have to travel and don't care to attend the side matches, but that's just my opinion
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Re: 2012 GAF Grand Muster: Garnett KS
« Reply #41 on: August 03, 2012, 06:46:21 pm »
I see the point.  How about that?  (See above)
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Re: 2012 GAF Grand Muster: Garnett KS
« Reply #42 on: August 04, 2012, 07:43:25 pm »
http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,44330.0.html

Anyone from the southwest want to wagon train to the grand Muster?
I sure want to go but need someone to help drive the team.  Safford AZ, about 3 hrs east from phoenix is where i'd be leaving from.

Good news,  I officialy got the time off work.  Now I REALY need someone to share at least part of the dirve.  Will someone PLEASE go with me.  Does anyone from the Southwwest want to share part of the drive to Kansas? PLEASE?
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Re: 2012 GAF Grand Muster: Garnett KS
« Reply #43 on: August 05, 2012, 07:50:53 am »
Super! Boy I'm glad to hear it.

It'd be really great if Capt. Dan Bloggett could come with you.
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Re: 2012 GAF Grand Muster: Garnett KS
« Reply #44 on: August 05, 2012, 08:23:31 am »
It is my pleasure to announce that the Kansas Vigilance Committee has volunteered to host the 2012 Grand Muster at Garnett Kansas October 5th through the 7th.


I regret that with the change of dates to October I am unable to attend.  Sadly, I must attend a (wife's) family wedding in Florida that weekend.  I would much rather be at the Grand Muster of course. 

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Re: 2012 GAF Grand Muster: Garnett KS
« Reply #45 on: August 05, 2012, 09:51:21 am »
Super! Boy I'm glad to hear it.

It'd be really great if Capt. Dan Bloggett could come with you.


Captain Dan can't make it this year. I'm looking for anyone else from any where this side of Texas and south of Colorado that wants to share part of the Ride.
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Re: 2012 GAF Grand Muster: Garnett KS
« Reply #46 on: August 05, 2012, 04:37:20 pm »
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Will the Long range rifle be 200 yds like last year or will it be 300?
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Re: 2012 GAF Grand Muster: Garnett KS
« Reply #47 on: August 06, 2012, 09:13:07 am »
Trap,
Will the Long range rifle be 200 yds like last year or will it be 300?

Trap is on a "scout" to Colorado, and I don't know if he has any access to a computer.  Be patient; he will get back to the Barracks as soon as he returns to Kansas.

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Re: 2012 GAF Grand Muster: Garnett KS
« Reply #48 on: August 06, 2012, 05:55:56 pm »
Thanks Books
If I'd been thinking I could have asked "Trap or Books" In the mean time I can afford to be a little patient as I have almost 2 months to get my re-loading done.
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Re: 2012 GAF Grand Muster: Garnett KS
« Reply #49 on: August 22, 2012, 09:31:04 am »

  The long range rifle will be at at least two different ranges, but the longest will be at about 200M. I am planning for it to be available to shoot fri- sun at designated times. there will also be a long range pistol side match, Fri only. EEM will be shot Fri pm.
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