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Re: uniform questions
« Reply #50 on: November 21, 2011, 06:35:07 pm »
You gotta be careful 'round here, we're real good at spendin' your money fer ya!   :o ::) ;D
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Re: uniform questions
« Reply #51 on: November 21, 2011, 06:45:24 pm »
I'm pretty good at that myself.
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Re: uniform questions
« Reply #52 on: November 21, 2011, 06:52:35 pm »
I got my 1884 brown/drab uniform today form Col. DryDock, and I wanted to know what shirt would be worn under the blouse?
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Re: uniform questions
« Reply #53 on: November 21, 2011, 07:02:16 pm »
THe blue pullover.
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Re: uniform questions
« Reply #54 on: November 21, 2011, 07:23:43 pm »
Excellent. Something I already own. That is a nice change of pace.  :D
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Re: uniform questions
« Reply #55 on: November 21, 2011, 08:17:35 pm »
Here is what I have now:

Body:
Civil war union infantry private’s trousers and sack coat

1884 artillery Sergeant  khaki coat and trousers

1884 artillery Sergeant blue sack coat (on its way)

Blue pullover shirt


Head:
Tan Hat in pictures

Black campaign hat (on order)

Federal Kepi

British Pith helmet. I think I may be able to adjust the covering to make it US style.


Feet:
I have a pair of leggings on order

I have artillery/cavalry boots.

I have federal rough out brogans.

Belts:
Civil war belt and US Buckle (Oval)

Indian Wars Belt and US Buckle (Rectangle)

Mills belt for 45/70

Mills belt for 12 gauge

Civil war style suspenders.



Now the question is how to mix and match the pieces to put a uniform or two together out of what I have. Any suggestions
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Re: uniform questions
« Reply #56 on: November 21, 2011, 08:55:11 pm »
Looks like you've got the basics covered.Your brogans will work with the leggins just fine, unless you get involved with some serious stitch counters. You could add stripes to the CW trousers to go with the blue jacket you ordered. I'm not sure when the black campaign hat gave way to the drab one(I usually consult Drydock on these date things), but the Kepi will work up to 1895, when they changed the style quite a bit. Just change to the later style insignia(if Artillery changed, I don't know cause I'm infantry) I think your helmet would be goot for a later time frame also.

I have not ordered anything from them either.  Simply gave link to provide pics of period shoes.


Sorry, I guess I missed that, they do have allot there that you can use for research, even though they're not the best to order from

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Re: uniform questions
« Reply #57 on: November 21, 2011, 09:36:59 pm »
At some point I will get a Company Grade Frock Coat CW and will need proper 6th Inf Captains Epaulettes.  Thinking about getting the disks and bars from us hist as they are the only place I have seen them.  Know of others?

Last year just in time for Winter Range Uniform Contest got a pair of dark blue company grade trousers from Milk Creek.  Really nice quality wool and constructions.
Darn near impossible to get a response from them for E-mail questions.  Was very helpful on phone

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Re: uniform questions
« Reply #58 on: November 22, 2011, 07:48:28 am »
I'm amazed at how quick they (Coon Creek) are. I placed an order for a holster Late Thursday/early Friday and it was waiting for me in my mailbox yesterday when I got home from the football game. (State Champs! Wooo Hooo!)
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Re: uniform questions
« Reply #59 on: November 22, 2011, 07:22:25 pm »
I'm not sure when the black campaign hat gave way to the drab one(I usually consult Drydock on these date things)

OK, that begs the question, when did the hat change and when did the black one stop being used?
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Re: uniform questions
« Reply #60 on: November 23, 2011, 09:51:06 am »
Could spill coffee on the grey hat and maybe it would become drab or jus claim you are john wayne.  He wore a lot of grey hats (silver belly?)
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Re: uniform questions
« Reply #61 on: November 23, 2011, 01:21:23 pm »
The campaign hat changed from black to brown drab in 1882/3.  Senior officers could still wear a black campaign hat if they so chose, but rarely did. 
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Re: uniform questions
« Reply #62 on: November 23, 2011, 02:15:48 pm »
How long was that next drab hat worn for?
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Re: uniform questions
« Reply #63 on: November 23, 2011, 02:36:34 pm »
With minor variations, until 1942.  The big change was in 1911, when the "Montana Peak" crease was made mandatory.  Prior to that, there was no real "regulation" crease, though most commanders preferred the fore and aft fedora style crease.
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Re: uniform questions
« Reply #64 on: November 23, 2011, 02:50:38 pm »
Do are you saying the montana peak hat of WWI vintage and the fore and aft crease hat that charged up San Juan hill are the same hats with different creases? That is fascinating!

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Re: uniform questions
« Reply #65 on: November 23, 2011, 04:34:45 pm »
The M1889 Campaign Hat was worn with a fore-and-aft crease from it's date of issuance, until the advent of the Great War.

The 'snowflake' ventilation holes changed to 'eyelet'  in 1911, the popular style of the 'Montana Peak' was adopted service-wide, and that hat became known as the 'Service Hat/Campaign Hat' - issued to all soldiers and Marines until mid-WWII, when it was discontinued as an item of general issue.

That hat - with color variations - would be seen on Drill Instructors and Rifle Team shooters and still serves in that capacity today.

It saw little if no overseas service during the Great War and WWII - due in large part to the fact that it was virtually un-packable in dufflebags/barracks bags - the European-style 'Overseas Cap' was universal after the first American contingent of the AEF set foot in France in 1917 - but it was worn by those who were already stationed in the Far East.

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Re: uniform questions
« Reply #66 on: November 24, 2011, 02:10:37 pm »
Is the coon creek hat the correct color?  I ordered their black one because I figured black is black. It will tell me how their sizes run. If it fits and I like the look of its quality I will order the drab one.
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Re: uniform questions
« Reply #67 on: November 24, 2011, 02:17:30 pm »
Its correct insofar as any light brown is correct.  The hats were sourced from many different contractors back then, and each had its own shade of brown "Drab".  Same with the "Sky blue" trousers.  The later Kahki uniforms also varied slightly from different contractors.
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Re: uniform questions
« Reply #68 on: November 24, 2011, 10:44:04 pm »
Can someone elaborate on the ventelation holes? I hear about the 'snowflake' ventilation holes being changed to 'eyelet' and I'm in the dark. Were there others? When were the forms in use?
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Re: uniform questions
« Reply #69 on: November 24, 2011, 11:19:53 pm »
M1889 Campaign Hats

WAR DEPARTMENT,
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Specifications for Fur Campaign Hats.

Mixture.—To be composed of fur in the following proportions and kinds, for twenty-four (24) dozen hats: Fifteen (15) pounds Y. C. Ex. Ex. coney; thirty (30) pounds Y. C. No. 1 coney; sixteen (16) pounds W. C. No. 1 coney; twelve (12) pounds W. C. mottled coney; five (5) pounds W. C. hare’s bellies; ten pounds blown nutria; ten (10) pounds American rabbit.

Weight.—Hat bodies to be weighed, four and three-fourths (4 &#190 ounces heavy.

Shape.—Block to be five and three-fourths (5 &#190 inches deep to center of tip.

Brim.—To be two and three-fourths (2 &#190 inches wide in front and rear, and three (3) inches at sides; and to have three rows of stitching on edge.

Color.—To be drab, shade of standard sample.

Trimmings.—To be trimmed with eight-ligne union band, same quality and style as on hat, to be sewed on by hand. Sweat to be an imported lined leather, two and one-forth (2 &#188 inches wide, sewed to the reed by zigzag stitch. Each side of hat to have an opening for ventilation consisting of small punched holes of size, and arranged in design, as on standard sample hat; the center of design to be about three and one-quarter (3 &#188 inches from brim.
The hats to be doe-finished, as per sample.
To be packed three hats in each band-box.

Adopted February 8 1889, in lieu of specifications of December 14, 1883, which are hereby canceled.

S. B. HOLABIRD,
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As stated above - the 'snowflake' ventilation holes were in the original M1889 Campaign Hat.

They'd stay like that - with minor variations - until 1911, when the enamelled eyelet was installed, and the 'Montana Peak' became the official shape of the Campaign Hat.

They're punched-through holes in the shape of a snowflake - allowing the hat to breathe for the wearer.

Color-wise, the M1889 and M1911 Campaign Hats were closer to a 'Doeskin' color, when new - darkening over the period of issue to a very Dark Brown, after WWII.

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Re: uniform questions
« Reply #70 on: November 24, 2011, 11:56:32 pm »
I woudl love to see a picture of this snowflake hole. My mind makes it more elaborate than it probably was
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« Reply #71 on: November 25, 2011, 12:15:45 am »
It's pretty elaborate.

Looks just like a multi-pointed snowflake made of small punched holes.

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Re: uniform questions
« Reply #72 on: November 25, 2011, 04:56:41 am »


Hopalong, are you shooting an original M1884 Carbine??

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Re: uniform questions
« Reply #73 on: November 25, 2011, 05:02:15 am »

Could spill coffee on the grey hat and maybe it would become drab or jus claim you are john wayne.  He wore a lot of grey hats (silver belly?)

Funny you should mention that!
For what it's worth, General Leonard Wood's (of Rough Riders fame) slouch hat.

Interesting, isn't it?

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« Reply #74 on: November 25, 2011, 09:13:49 am »
Hopalong, are you shooting an original M1884 Carbine??

Yes I am. It is a 1882 Starred caribine from the New York State Militia. It belonged to a friend's Great Grandfather. He took it to Cuba and brought it home after he mustered out after the turn of the century. I think he went to the philippines as well with it but I cannot confirm that at present. It shoots well especially considering its bore condition is not pristine by any stretch of the imagination. I shot a clean match with it though.
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