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Offline Jake C

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Re: Loading Data for the 45-60 WCF
« Reply #125 on: August 24, 2015, 09:41:35 am »
Got a quick question for you good folks. With a Uberti replica '76, there's no issue with using hard lead bullets, right? I know with originals, you want to keep it soft, but when I get my '76, I was planning on using the Missouri Bullet Co.'s 300 grain RNFPs, which have a brittle of 18. Figured I'd ask before I spent my money.
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Re: Loading Data for the 45-60 WCF
« Reply #126 on: August 24, 2015, 03:07:05 pm »
Jake:
I do not have a 45-60 but, rather a 45-75. You can use hard lead bullets if you want but I use 16:1 bullets of my own alloy.  I have tried the hard lead ones but my rifle did not like them very much.  The bullets that I use are cast from a custom Hoch mold and are for the 350 grain bullet.  Now, my suggestion would be to find someone who might part with a few of those hard ones to try first before spending a bunch of money on a bunch of them. Now I am not saying that they are bad or whatnot as each rifle has its own pecularities about what it likes the most.  Mine--after a whole bunch of trials and errors seems to like what I am using.  I do n ot know if this helps you or not but figgured that it might help you a mite.
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Re: Loading Data for the 45-60 WCF
« Reply #127 on: August 24, 2015, 03:23:47 pm »
Jake:
I do not have a 45-60 but, rather a 45-75. You can use hard lead bullets if you want but I use 16:1 bullets of my own alloy.  I have tried the hard lead ones but my rifle did not like them very much.  The bullets that I use are cast from a custom Hoch mold and are for the 350 grain bullet.  Now, my suggestion would be to find someone who might part with a few of those hard ones to try first before spending a bunch of money on a bunch of them. Now I am not saying that they are bad or whatnot as each rifle has its own pecularities about what it likes the most.  Mine--after a whole bunch of trials and errors seems to like what I am using.  I do n ot know if this helps you or not but figgured that it might help you a mite.

Thank you, much appreciated. I think Missouri Bullet Co. sells sample packs of their bullets, so I'll grab one of those, when that day comes and try them. If those don't work, I'll try to find a company that sells soft-cast bullets in the right size/weight.
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Re: Loading Data for the 45-60 WCF
« Reply #128 on: August 25, 2015, 06:54:42 pm »
Hard bullets leaded my bore badly in my Uberti '76 45-60.  Accuracy suffers when a barrel leads up.

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Re: Loading Data for the 45-60 WCF
« Reply #129 on: October 06, 2015, 10:22:39 pm »
Stick with soft lead at 20:1 Lead/Tin mix.  If you need it harder add TIN.  This will allow the boolit to obdurate and fill the bore and keep the hot gases behind the boolit where it belongs.

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Re: Loading Data for the 45-60 WCF
« Reply #130 on: November 14, 2015, 03:49:35 pm »
Thank you, much appreciated. I think Missouri Bullet Co. sells sample packs of their bullets, so I'll grab one of those, when that day comes and try them. If those don't work, I'll try to find a company that sells soft-cast bullets in the right size/weight.

My brother's .45/60 M76 leads badly with trail boss loads using hard commercial bullets, but the rifle's accuracy was still very good yesterday, at 100 meters.
With soft bullets, no leading.
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Re: Loading Data for the 45-60 WCF
« Reply #131 on: November 21, 2016, 09:04:45 am »
Question for the board- with Black powder loads, has anyone ever tried enlarging the flash hole to .096?  This is a must for my old trapdoor- considering that considerable powder compaction happens w/ the 45-60, I was wondering if it helped?

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Re: Loading Data for the 45-60 WCF
« Reply #132 on: March 10, 2017, 10:01:05 am »
I have a Uberti 1876 in 45-60.  I worked up some loads using the 350 grain Plated Flat Point from Berry's Bullets.  I used IMR 4198, Jamison Brass, and CCI 200 primers.  I shot five shot groups

Grains   Average FPS     SD
25.0      1224               36.4
25.5      1266               30.7
26.0      1284               21.8

All shot less than 2 inch groups at 100 yards. 

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Re: Loading Data for the 45-60 WCF
« Reply #133 on: March 17, 2018, 06:13:50 am »
I have a Uberti 1876 in 45-60.  I worked up some loads using the 350 grain Plated Flat Point from Berry's Bullets.  I used IMR 4198, Jamison Brass, and CCI 200 primers.  I shot five shot groups

Grains   Average FPS     SD
25.0      1224               36.4
25.5      1266               30.7
26.0      1284               21.8

All shot less than 2 inch groups at 100 yards. 
Buzzard what are you using for crimp die?...i have a bunch of Berry but thought i wouldn't be able to use them

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Re: Loading Data for the 45-60 WCF
« Reply #134 on: January 20, 2019, 01:13:19 pm »
Here is a load w/ Black powder (Shutzen FFG) and the cases prepared ala Wolf (flash holes drilled to 0.096).  BAC 350 gr bullets used
AVG Vel- 1233
Hi- 1246
low- 1214
SD- 10.6

Contrast this w/ not boring flash holes, using powder compacting die, etc.  Hi was 1293, low was 1150, SD was 21.7.  However, at this time, the results on the range were disappointing- 2 1/4 at 50 yards.  That could be from bad eyes.  I will try wads next

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Re: Loading Data for the 45-60 WCF
« Reply #135 on: October 07, 2019, 05:54:25 pm »
Has anyone tried H4895, I am interested in trying it with 325-350 gr fp lead. Thanks

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Re: Loading Data for the 45-60 WCF
« Reply #136 on: October 10, 2019, 09:44:05 am »
     I didn't use H-4895, but I have used IMR 4895, so the burn rate is almost identical.  The data is on this thread, back there somewhere.  I started w/36 grs, ended up w/ 40.  The best result was right in the middle @ 37.5.  Vel was 1337 fps. (300 gr. bullet) w a SD of27.3
To be honest, I had better luck w/ 4198.  As to the difference between the bullet weights, I have noticed very little difference w/ anything between 300gr and 350.  If you do use H- 4895, I'd start out w/ the 33 gr start up.  I think Ken Waters tried that years ago.  he settled w/ 4198.

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Re: Loading Data for the 45-60 WCF
« Reply #137 on: October 12, 2019, 06:59:23 pm »
Thanks, Matt45

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Re: Loading Data for the 45-60 WCF
« Reply #138 on: October 15, 2019, 04:29:13 pm »
Matt, I want to stick with 4895, because I am in a area, where powders can be difficult to come by. I am very short on variety which I used for a while, now, can't find any. H4895, I have a lot of, and it's easy to find