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GAF as a side match?
« on: October 12, 2010, 05:15:25 pm »
I have a new idea, I know that frightens many of you , even me.  :o ???

There are wild bunch side matches, plainsman side matches, long range and speed side matches.
How about a GAF approved battle rifle skirmish side match that could be included at any multi-day SASS, NCOWS, or independent club CAS shooting event.  Course of fire would have to be flexible to accommodate what is available at the host club/range.  But I am thinking of one or two long courses of fire like the trail walk and the fort at the Dept of Missouri muster.  Or at least a CAS stage with lots of reloading and some longer distance targets plus shooting from cover and advancing on the targets.  This could be a way for people who haven't been able to get to a muster  to see what a GAF type match looks like.  

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Re: GAF side match?
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2010, 07:00:57 pm »
The intention of our local club for next year is to do all of our stages in the new GAF format, with all must-hit, knock-down targets.  People shooting cowboy guns will just shoot them in the new format.  Ah, the advantages of being the club President, Treasurer, Custodian, Groundskeeper, etc.!!  I've bounced it off a couple of our regulars, and they love the idea.  It will be interesting when people have to do more reloading on the clock and moving!
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Re: GAF side match?
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2010, 09:53:03 pm »
Yes and when we were doing monthly matches we offered the GAF categories (but no interest here).  I am thinking that a side match at a regular SASS or NCOWS event would get the new GAF format some more exposure and offer CAS shooters a new and different challenge. 
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Re: GAF side match?
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2010, 07:04:40 pm »
     


          At the 2010 Grand Muster, you might see all of those that you mentioned.  It might remind you of the OWSA shoot at Raton, NM.  Just remember we are just having FUN and reliving the Victorian period.


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Re: GAF side match?
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2010, 07:30:31 pm »
I am really looking forward to the Grand muster.  The GAF mindset is soo different that SASS or NCWOS.  My idea of a side match that can be added to any existing multi day event is to give the SASS and NCOWS regulars a chance to try it when they probably wouldn't bother otherwise.  I'm thinking of venues like the state and regional SASS events.  just a thought.
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Re: GAF as a side match?
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2010, 11:26:35 pm »
I have heard of some clubs now holding Wild Bunch matches as a seperate event form the regular SASS match on a different weekend even.  Wouldn't it be great if The GAF battle rifle /skirmish could grow the same way. 
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Re: GAF as a side match?
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2010, 03:45:29 pm »
That sounds like an interesting idea

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Re: GAF as a side match?
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2010, 07:05:22 pm »
We're small enough that we can sort of do both.  We're done for this year with our regularly scheduled matches, but next April we'll be starting up again with the new format of all knock-down, all must-hit targets.  Shooters will have their choice of shooting cowboy guns or GAF guns, and we'll make sure each stage will include some shotgun friendly targets.  We tried a stage Saturday using the knock-downs we already have, and it was a hit!  People like to see something fall when they shoot it.  Scoring is easier, too.  Either it falls down or it doesn't.  It's going to take a little retraining to get people to end on an empty chamber or an empty cartridge and then empty anything left in the magazine at the unloading table.  The timer has to be on the ball to make sure shooters move only with a safe gun, but it works well.  Shooters also have to be a lot more prepared to reload from their body.  Those cartridge belts actually get used!
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Re: GAF as a side match?
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2010, 09:40:13 pm »
Reminds of a "assualt course" i helped set up with a WW2 re-enact group years back. We had paper outline targets of various sizes t distances. You had o run from one to the other and halfway, there a nayonet dummy. You could either fix baynets just for that or go through the course of fire with the pig sticker in place. We had an utter blast, would love to see something like that done for 19th century stuff...

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Re: GAF as a side match?
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2010, 06:05:38 am »
Captain Bishop,
     Come to the Department of the Missouri Muster next year and you'll see it in action!  Both the Main Match and the Expansion Era Match will be all knock-downs and all must-hit targets.  Bayonet dummies, too!  With any luck, we should have a minimum of forty to fifty knock-down targets available by then.  (We only had five last year.)  Should be a blast!
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Re: GAF as a side match?
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2012, 12:25:03 pm »
I think its great that the clubs have been able to combine GAF with the main matcnes.  What I have in mind is something thatcan be added to a SASS match as sort of an intro to the GAF type of stage.  I am going to try to set up 1 GAF type stage with one of the SASS vlubs I have started shooting with out here.  just a seperate stage we can shooot after the regular match.  probably shoot it with the regular CAS rifles aw in the Scout class.   The stage will  be something like 6-10 pistol shots and 11-15 rifle so there would be some reloading of both and the rifle  and pistol.  targets would be out farther than they would be used to.  Part of the rifle shot from a rest or cover. 

Any ideas?  thoughts?  suggestions?

I don't have a rifle caliber rifle to demonstrate so basicly the diferent stge designs would be what I would show. 

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Re: GAF as a side match?
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2012, 01:02:17 pm »
i've got a 98 Krag rifle, perhaps we could coordinate the demonstration.
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Re: GAF as a side match?
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2012, 08:54:23 pm »
that might work

Are you goiong to shoot with the Alter Valley Pistoleos this month?
I an going to call tommorow and see what they will let me do.
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Re: GAF as a side match?
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2012, 11:12:32 pm »
Where and when do they shoot
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Re: GAF as a side match?
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2012, 10:09:34 am »
Alter Vally shoots the 3rd and 5th Sundays at the Tucson Rifle Club, about 25 miles west of Tucson.  the matches are run by the same folks that put of "Bordertown".

I am also wanting to try the Rio Salado club but coudn't make the fri night intro.  There is also a couple NM clubs at Silver City and Las Cruces I might visit.

Where do youl shoot at?
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Re: GAF as a side match?
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2012, 10:35:41 am »
Ben Avery
3rd Sunday in January is definitely out as I have mom duty (take care of mom vs act like one) that week end.
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Re: GAF as a side match?
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2012, 02:19:20 pm »
I'd love to come shoot at Ben Averybut the 2nd Sat is out for a couple months.  Maybe in March.

How big are your monthly shoots?  Any chance of a GAF stage?
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Re: GAF as a side match?
« Reply #17 on: January 03, 2012, 03:16:58 pm »
Depends, in the heat of the summer 40 -60, when it gets cool 100+
Would have to talk to them about a GAF stage.
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Re: GAF as a side match?
« Reply #18 on: January 03, 2012, 06:39:14 pm »
Something to keep in mind.  

I'll try to dig up a few stages that would work with 1 pistoland a rifle andpost them here.

with the ranges around hear and the divided action bays a true skirmish just wont work, butI think we can come up with somthing with the GAF feel using the SASS range layout.

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Re: GAF as a side match?
« Reply #19 on: January 05, 2012, 01:35:08 am »
5Dogs in Bakersfield has held a couple of Victorian/Military matches the most recent being about a year ago;

http://sdough.smugmug.com/Art/SheBang-2010/14573082_KGJNNK#1083297211_yk8JQ

http://sdough.smugmug.com/Art/5-Dogs-Cowboy-Match/7633334_f5mLzv#493476913_3J524

They are really fun to shoot and Old Top loves using his trapdoor....

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« Reply #20 on: January 05, 2012, 08:35:09 am »
Curley. That looked awesome. Thanks for sharing the pictures with us.
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Re: GAF as a side match?
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2012, 06:26:37 am »
Thing are looking good to try a GAF stage/side match.at the Alter Valley Pitoleros SASS  jmatch the 5th Sunday of Jan.  west of Tucson AZ.   I just have to e-mail the MD the stage layout and basic guidlines.  Probably won' thave any "rifle caiber" guns to use (my 2 trys at trapdoors on gunbroker lost.  My wife is greatly relieved  :( ).  this stage willl probably be more like the stages at ealy musters as it is a SASS club and the shooter have mostly SASS guns. I hope to incorperate the Milspec rifles in the future.  If all goes well there is a chance to get a GAF sidematch on the schedule for "Bordertown" 2012,the state SASS championship.possibly even a state muster on the first or last day.
What makes a stage a GAF stage? to me it is longer ranges for targets and some reloading on the clock.  possibly shooting from a rest for some and a  bit of movement. I think it best not to use the must-hit or knockdown targets right now.  not sure the club has the targets for it andI want to keep the stages short.
wish me luck.
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Re: GAF as a side match?
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2012, 02:51:39 am »
Don't know if anyone is interested in this or cares,  but here is a couple of potential GAF based stages I am trying bring to the Alter Valley 5th Sun day shoot coming up.   Just my lowly  attempt to bring a taste of the great GAF musters to the SASS world that is Arizona.

What ya think?
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Re: GAF as a side match?
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2012, 06:36:39 am »
Good morning, Bow View!
   
They look like a good place to start.  The only recommendation I would make is maybe move the targets a little farther out, with the far ones being forty to fifty yards out.  (Make them slow down and aim!)  One of the most difficult things to break CAS shooters of is having to shoot targets in a certain order, as opposed to shooting them until they are all "dead", as we do.  (Admittedly, it's an easier transition if you have knockdown targets, as shooters can see when they're "dead".)  As an example, at our Muster last July, shooters started engaging targets way farther out than we had intended because they could shoot at them from a rested position of cover, as opposed to closer up but a worse shooting position.  Excellent tactics!
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Re: GAF as a side match?
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2012, 01:40:29 pm »
I know that farther out would be good  but the ranges I want to try these at don't have very deep shooting bays and 25 yards is about double what these folks are used to shooting the rifle at.  I do want to have the targets spread out and not right next to each other like they usually are. That should slow things down some.

My wole idea is NOT a full GAF match but a chace to give the SASS world a chace to shoot a GAF type stage or 3 without scareing them away. 

I appreitiate your help.
thanks
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