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Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« on: October 30, 2009, 08:26:32 pm »
One of my favorites,  Y'all come up with some now

http://www.history.navy.mil/photos/images/i01000/i01539.jpg
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2009, 07:47:13 am »
Great picture!  I love these old photos, and they are by far the best resource to figure out what was being worn and used at any given time.  Thanks for posting!
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2009, 08:50:48 am »
Sailors and Marines on ship with a rack of US Navy Rifles, Caliber .236, M1895





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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2009, 05:10:52 pm »
OK you guys have wet my whistle, er bosun pipe.... I am just going to have to get some USRCM, USRCS pictures up!!!
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2009, 08:45:13 pm »
Note the 8" shell hole, private with Krag.
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2009, 12:15:36 am »
Marines in Peking China with .236 Lee Straight Pulls.


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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2009, 04:09:09 pm »
Phillipines, 1900
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2009, 08:12:56 pm »
Inspection, dismounted cavalry.  Guy on end missing his leggings.  Officer might make me nervous where he's pointing that carbine.  Notice rank on shirts?  That began in the Phillipines.
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2009, 08:42:18 pm »
Marines in Hawaii with Krags in 1908.

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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2009, 11:49:46 pm »
OK ..... gotta jump in here with some British Empire flavour (.... note correct spelling .....   ;)  ) -

First one is probably my favorite (.... and those who have seen my field uniform and battle rifle at the past three Musters will understand why ....)  -  

Non-Commissioned Officers with Martini-Henry rifles, Queen's Own Rifles of Canada competition rifle team, 1889 .....


Private armed with Snider-Enfield rifle,  5th Royal Scots of Canada, circa 1883 -


Now, a couple of photos of Canadians in South Africa (Boer War, 1899-1902). .....

Buglers, 2nd Battalion.Royal Canadian Regiment, armed with .303 Magazine Lee-Enfield rifle and .45 Colt Model 1878 Double Action revolvers -


Trooper. Lord Strathcona's Horse, armed with Magazine Lee-Enfield rifle and .45 Colt New Service revolver -

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Rattlesnake Jack Robson, Scout, Rocky Mountain Rangers, North West Canada, 1885
Major John M. Robson, Royal Scots of Canada, 1883-1901
Sgt. John Robson, Queen's Own Rifles of Canada, 1885
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2009, 11:56:49 pm »
Forgot this one - Troopers, Governor-General's Body Guard, on service during the 1885 North West Rebellion - note "NWMP and Militia Pattern" .45-75 Model 1876 Winchester rifles ......

Rattlesnake Jack Robson, Scout, Rocky Mountain Rangers, North West Canada, 1885
Major John M. Robson, Royal Scots of Canada, 1883-1901
Sgt. John Robson, Queen's Own Rifles of Canada, 1885
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #11 on: November 02, 2009, 08:59:51 am »
Phillipine Scouts and Officer
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2009, 10:40:35 am »
Patrol, 1899.
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #13 on: November 02, 2009, 01:40:49 pm »
Marines on ship with Krags

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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #14 on: November 02, 2009, 04:44:42 pm »
A few photos for my American Comrades-in-Arms -

Private, 1st Regiment, Pennsylvania National Guard


United States Cavalry Trooper in England - I believe this was taken in 1897 on the occasion of Queen Victoria's Diamond Jubilee, celebrating the 60th year of her reign.  That year there was a huge Military Review in London, for which all parts of the Empire, and many other nations, sent representative troops -


Private, 5th Massachusetts Infantry -

Rattlesnake Jack Robson, Scout, Rocky Mountain Rangers, North West Canada, 1885
Major John M. Robson, Royal Scots of Canada, 1883-1901
Sgt. John Robson, Queen's Own Rifles of Canada, 1885
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #15 on: November 02, 2009, 04:58:43 pm »
Once again for my friends south of the Medicine Line ..... a few more images from the China Relief Expedition (Boxer Rebellion) -









Although no firearms are in the photograph, I quite like the uniforms worn by these American servicemen ...... chaps look almost "Imperial", eh what?      (Identified as "Privates Jones and Chernecky, Tientsin) -


Rattlesnake Jack Robson, Scout, Rocky Mountain Rangers, North West Canada, 1885
Major John M. Robson, Royal Scots of Canada, 1883-1901
Sgt. John Robson, Queen's Own Rifles of Canada, 1885
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #16 on: November 02, 2009, 06:19:37 pm »
Shipmates posing armed.

The Marine has an M1884 Trapdoor. The Sailor is armed with either an M1851 or M1861 Colt, almost certainly converted to 38cf and carried in a Navy "skeleton" holster.




I like this picture Rattlesnake Jack posted. This Soldier has a right handed holster that looks much like a Navy or Marine M1889.

It may also be a prop owned by the photographer, but I have seen a photo of a Soldier in the field in Cuba with a right handed holster that looked like a Navy or Marine M1889.

Someone needs to go back in time and tell these people they are not being historically accurate.


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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #17 on: November 02, 2009, 07:15:08 pm »
The sailor is a Bos'ns Mate, as you can tell by the whistle cord.  The holster is called a "frog".  In the famous photo of the "Rough Riders" atop Kettle hill,  TR himself is wearing a right hand draw full flap hoslter for his USN M1889.
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2009, 08:13:12 pm »
Thanks for the info Col. I had a brain fart on what the Navy called those holsters. That Bos'ns Mate looks like he could curse up a storm.

I have seen the picture of TR with his right hand holster, and another picture of an Army Soldier with one too. Just goes to show that what it says in the regulations is not the whole story as far as what men actually used in combat.

That's why I am kind of cynical when someone says something is not historically accurate "because the regulations say...........
Even TR did not always follow the regulations.

Here's one just for you Col!












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« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2009, 08:53:01 pm »
Ah, thank you, now thats a Uniform I need!  What is it they're standing around?  Looks like the breech of a small cannon?  And note the shore party Ammo cassion just off to the right.
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2009, 09:09:33 pm »
Keeping with naval images.

Some Bo'sun's Mates and Officers.



And French seamen drilling, pre-WWI.

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« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2009, 09:28:04 pm »
I like this shot, only because I cannot imagine crossing the pacific at 5 knots in THAT!  (USS Monadnock, BM-3)
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« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2009, 09:34:08 pm »
It's a 3" howitzer. The most I have found out about it is that it is probably what is known as a Boat Howitzer, based on the Army's Mountain Howitzer, which was found to be unsuitable by the Navy so they made their own version.



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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2009, 11:06:07 pm »
Here are a couple I missed in my files  ......

Cavalry Trooper -


Two Privates, 8th Corps, Manila -

Rattlesnake Jack Robson, Scout, Rocky Mountain Rangers, North West Canada, 1885
Major John M. Robson, Royal Scots of Canada, 1883-1901
Sgt. John Robson, Queen's Own Rifles of Canada, 1885
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« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2009, 11:55:16 pm »
Now for those of you who might want to consider a somewhat more exotic GAF persona, here is a veritable potpourri of late-Victorian-era soldiers of various nationalities, most of them stationed or deployed on their own frontiers --

French -

- 37th Regiment de Infantrie -


- Turco, Algeria


- 3rd Regiment Zouaves


- 4th Regiment Tirailleurs,Tunisia -


- Chausseur Afrique -



Italian -

- Bersaglieri -



Japanese -

Infantryman -



Turkish -

Cavalryman -



German -

Bavarian Infantryman -


Schutztruppe, German South West Africa -


Mounted Schutztruppe, German South West Africa -


SeeBattalion (Marine) -


Schutztruppe, German South East Africa -


East Asia Brigade (Boxer Rebellion) -





Rattlesnake Jack Robson, Scout, Rocky Mountain Rangers, North West Canada, 1885
Major John M. Robson, Royal Scots of Canada, 1883-1901
Sgt. John Robson, Queen's Own Rifles of Canada, 1885
Bvt. Col, Commanding International Dept. and Div.  of Canada, Grand Army of the Frontier
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