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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #280 on: January 26, 2012, 06:12:57 PM »
S & S Firearms has some of the Navy equipment (pistol frog, pouch, etc.), but I don't know what the quality is like.  It looks good in the pictures!
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #281 on: January 26, 2012, 06:15:13 PM »
Frog, Navy belt and 2-part buckle, pistol ammo box with "USN" stamped. Navy buttons on the vest, grog stains on the pants, crusted seasalt on the underclothes from washing in the briny.

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« Reply #282 on: January 26, 2012, 06:17:44 PM »
BTW...I saw this by accident the other day, but there are alot of No.1 Mk1 Enfields coming out of Pakistan.  Of course they seem to be no better than all those Martini's that came out of Nepal.  However, it could be a good start to a rebuild project if you REALLY need to kill some Boers or something.

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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #283 on: January 26, 2012, 06:38:19 PM »
Frog, Navy belt and 2-part buckle, pistol ammo box with "USN" stamped. Navy buttons on the vest, grog stains on the pants, crusted seasalt on the underclothes from washing in the briny.

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Re: Enfields!
« Reply #284 on: January 26, 2012, 07:05:01 PM »
BTW...I saw this by accident the other day, but there are alot of No.1 Mk1 Enfields coming out of Pakistan.  Of course they seem to be no better than all those Martini's that came out of Nepal.  However, it could be a good start to a rebuild project if you REALLY need to kill some Boers or something.

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You do have to be careful of a lot of those, or so I'm told.  Evidently, many of the ones you see imported are "Khyber Pass" productions.  The same is evidently true for many of the Martinis.  (NOT the ones from Nepal.)
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #285 on: January 26, 2012, 07:13:48 PM »
Yeah, I view them more as a restoration piece for re-enacting with blanks.  Even barreled the fragility of the bolt is still in question.

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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #286 on: January 26, 2012, 09:26:10 PM »
Too much information!   ;D
At any rate, I was greatly relieved, as I read on, to learn just what was encrusting his underclothes!    ::)
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #287 on: January 26, 2012, 11:19:11 PM »
Pinned vs non Pinned - was the pin to help keep the bolt from flying open at inopertune times.  Back around 67 or 68 I bought a gun digest that had a pretty long discussion of the Ross Rifles, wish I still had it.
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #288 on: January 27, 2012, 10:45:36 AM »
................grog stains on the pants, crusted seasalt on the underclothes from washing in the briny.

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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #289 on: January 27, 2012, 12:48:31 PM »
Pinned vs non Pinned - was the pin to help keep the bolt from flying open at inopertune times.  Back around 67 or 68 I bought a gun digest that had a pretty long discussion of the Ross Rifles, wish I still had it.

The infamous - although in fact extremely rare - "blow back" problem was only possible with a Mark III - aka Model 1910 - action, but could occur if the bolt assembly was reinserted into the receiver (after cleaning, for example) with the bolt-head improperly positioned - so that it then would not rotate to engage the locking lugs when fully closed.

However, to quote one of my references on the Ross rifle:
 
".... improperly positioning a bolt in a 1910 action isn't the easiest thing in the world to do.  Actually, incorrectly assembled bolts-in-sleeves slide with difficulty - very often with great difficulty, if at all -into their receivers.  This, in itself,is enough to warn any discerning rifleman that all is not well."

Quoting from the same reference in answer to your question: 

"In 1915, Canadian armorers in England worked out a system of foolproofing the Mark III bolt assembly against incorrect positioning.  This simple alteration, carried out on all Canadian-issue Mark III's, consisted of putting a rivet through the sleeve which followed a recess cut by filing down three threads of one of the bolt spirals." 
[This refers to the spirals in the bolt body, covered by the sleeve, which produce the rotational motion when the straight-pull action is worked.]

Finally, even with an "unpinned" Mark III Ross, there is a very simple visual test for ensuring that the bolt-head is properly positioned - the locking lugs will be positioned about 1" (i.e. approximately a thumb's width) out from the bolt sleeve:

 

With the locking lugs of the bolt-head properly engaged, the Ross is actually a very strong action - withstanding pressures approaching 150,000 psi!
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #290 on: January 27, 2012, 02:27:55 PM »
Thanks so much for the explanation of how the Ross could be fired unlocked Rattlesnake as it was always a mystery to me.

What kind of surplus .303 ammunition have you seen available in Canada?

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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #291 on: January 27, 2012, 03:29:26 PM »
With the locking lugs of the bolt-head properly engaged, the Ross is actually a very strong action - withstanding pressures approaching 150,000 psi!

WHOA!  THAT is a STRONG ACTION!  Wow!  How cool is that?

Thanks for the info, Jack!

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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #292 on: January 27, 2012, 05:15:37 PM »
WHOA!  THAT is a STRONG ACTION!  Wow!  How cool is that?

Thanks for the info, Jack!

Cheers!

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I think this is a time to mention this, I hope everyone knows this, but you never know who might be googling about a Ross Rifle and read this and get the wrong idea.

Despite the action having been tested at that pressure, the brass cartridge itself will not handle that type of pressure, it will let go long before that.
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #293 on: January 27, 2012, 07:07:48 PM »
What kind of surplus .303 ammunition have you seen available in Canada?

Charles:

Very spotty supplies these days, I'm afraid.  Nobody "stocks" it anymore, because the supplies have pretty much dried up, but small batches turn up from time to time.  Until a few years ago, surplus Greek-produced mil-spec lots could be found (considered some of the best ever) but very rarely seen now.  Occasionally one sees "POF" (Pakistan Ordnance Factory) lots being offered but it is best to avoid the stuff as it has a reputation for being very iffy in quality, with fair proportions of delayed fire (and non-fire) cartridges - presumably due to poor storage conditions. 

I generally use .303 cartridges currently produced in "the former Yugoslavia" (almost invariably jacketed softpoint hunting-type bullets) or else load my own ....
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #294 on: January 27, 2012, 07:54:02 PM »
Thanks for the update and explanation.  150,000 PSI impressive but if you look at the bolt, what you have is an interrupted thread breach.  Just like on artillery pieces and the huge naval rifles on battleships.  If you are sending 2500lb projos about 25 miles down range the breach has to be strong.
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #295 on: January 28, 2012, 10:09:43 AM »
I should perhaps clarify that the proof pressure for Ross rifles was "28 tons" per square inch (being the "long ton" of 2200 lbs. used in British firearms terminology) - i.e. about 62,000 psi.  The same reference indicates that is about 7,000 psi more than the proof pressure for most modern magnum sporting rifles.  (I haven't checked that.)

150,000 psi was the range reached in "action destruction tests" .....

Capt. Dan: your comment about the interrupted thread locking system being essentially the same as was used in artillery pieces and naval ordnance is interesting - period advertising literature for commercial/sporting Ross rifles mentioned that!
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #296 on: January 28, 2012, 10:23:33 AM »
The well known Weatherby Mark V action uses the same interupted thread as well as several other modern sporting rifles.
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #297 on: August 10, 2012, 05:41:58 PM »
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« Reply #298 on: October 02, 2012, 09:33:13 AM »
A great thread never dies

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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #299 on: October 02, 2012, 10:41:42 AM »
.303 British is available from TradeEx Canada, Marstar, and Lever Arms.
The commercial ammunition is by Seller & Bellot, Prvi Partizan, and Federal.
Various bullet weights are also available.

 

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