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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #25 on: November 03, 2009, 06:15:36 am »


Wasn't this guy at the muster?

Oh wait, If he had been the greatcoat would be buttoned up and he'd be wearing a fur cap. ;D
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #26 on: November 03, 2009, 10:40:10 am »
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #27 on: November 04, 2009, 09:11:05 am »
R.J.R.,
Thanks for sharing the pics. Curious about the Japanese Infantryman pic, it appears that he is wearing a wristwatch on his right arm or is that something else that looks like a wristwatch? Did the Japanese Army issue watches to the Infantry or is it possible it was his own purchased or gifted item?
Anyone have an idea when corrugated roofing came into use on Military bases as seen in the German Cavalryman pic?
Always thought the German headwear interesting with the right side flipped up on Germany Troops in Africa and the South Seas and the left side flipped up on Australia's Troopers hats, makes one wonder if one country did it to spite the other!
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #28 on: November 04, 2009, 01:08:17 pm »
Corrugated galvanized iron was invented in Britain in the 1820's, so it has been around for a long time.  It saw frequent use in frontier and colonial areas, and imagine that the German cavlaryman's photo was undoubtedly taken in German South West Africa - mind you, it could have been as late as WWI, I suppose, since Germany didn't lose control of its African colonies until then ....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corrugated_galvanised_iron

I doubt that the wristwatch would have been an issued item - likely private purchase.  I noticed it, and thought: "My,  that chap is proud of his wristwatch!"    It looks to me like one of the early man's versions, which first appeared in the latter third or quarter of the 19th Century, and were often a wristband equipped with a cup or pocket to house a smallish pocketwatch - note the fairly prominent protrusion (likely the stem-wind) visible against the leather of the wrist band .......  (One of my many "wouldn't that be neat" projects sitting on the back burner is to  make such a wristband to hold  a suitable pocketwatch, and thus have a "period correct wristwatch" - at least for late 19th Century impressions, such as the Boer War.)
Link - ]The History and Evolution of the Wristwatch - http://www.qualitytyme.net/pages/rolex_articles/history_of_wristwatch.html
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Rattlesnake Jack Robson, Scout, Rocky Mountain Rangers, North West Canada, 1885
Major John M. Robson, Royal Scots of Canada, 1883-1901
Sgt. John Robson, Queen's Own Rifles of Canada, 1885
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2009, 02:07:05 pm »
Here are a number of other images from the Boxer Rebellion (many of them from stereo-views, you'll note) showing some of the various nationalities involved, besides British and American -

First, a mass review of the forces of the various allied nations, which was held right in the Forbidden City following the successful conclusion of the campaign -


The First Chinese Regiment (a British-raised unit) ..... armed with .303 Martini-Enfield rifles -


Austrian Marines, manning a street barricade -


French Zouaves, with piled Fusils Modèle 1886 (or  likely M86/93) i.e.  8mm Lebel rifles -


German troops .....  Not that familiar with Mausers - is it M88's they are carrying?



Japanese Marines (top) and sailors -





Italian Mounted Infantry -


Russian -



Here is an interesting "GAF-like" photo of Signalmen from various military contingents -


Finally,  photos of two units which weren't specifically identified (or else I neglected to make proper note ....)  
Based on uniforms, kit, firearms ..... whatever ..... does anyone recognize them?


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Rattlesnake Jack Robson, Scout, Rocky Mountain Rangers, North West Canada, 1885
Major John M. Robson, Royal Scots of Canada, 1883-1901
Sgt. John Robson, Queen's Own Rifles of Canada, 1885
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #30 on: November 04, 2009, 08:42:45 pm »
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #31 on: November 05, 2009, 04:32:29 pm »
R.J.R.,
Thanks again for posting pics from your collection, most interesting! Mayhaps you should make an 'educational and historical' publication of all your collection under the 'fair use' and 'safe harbor' concept for use only by GAF members as these are all surely way out of copyright? Ah, well, just a thought.     
Anyway, other observations...
The pic of the three Japanese Mil-folk standing next to a wall of longarms prompts a couple of comments. First off, it appears that these are all 'captured' items from the final conflict. As such, we see a long-tubed horn used by the Boxers to blare atonal sounds to frighten the locals and Legation Troops, it is seen leaning up against the stack of rifles in the lower right part of the wall with the bell on the ground, being a former player of horns it caught my attention right away and especially since I was already aware of the use of same in the Boxer Rebellion. We also see five long and oversized m/l's similar to the fabled '3 man guns' used by the Boxers. Today we would look at them and say they are similar to 'punt guns' but back then then they were made and used to shoot large roundballs, round stones, small chain or large uneven lead balls, as in canister shot of the day. It was a most impressive firearm and probably not very reliable if it took three men to carry, load and shoot it. As a young boy in a small country School in Iowa we went on 'field trips' to the biggest town around and toured museums and suchlike once a year. I recall going to the Grand Lodge of Iowa Masonic Library & Museum in Cedar Rapids, Iowa in the early 1960's and seeing one of the '3 man guns' on display in the public portion of the museum. It was a masive piece and larger than the ones shown in that pic but similar in design and length. It makes one wonder who on the 3-man crew would shoulder the firearm and touch it off! Volunteers? I don't think so!
Another firearm of interest is that seen in the pic of the three Italian Troopers, it appears to be a smaller Carbine on a sling that somehow goes over and under the cloak they wear, quite impressive. Are they wearing a dress uniform of sorts? The horses look much like the Chinese mounts we have seen in use in Mongolia, short and solid, perhaps that is all that was available to the Italians on arrival.
Best regards and keep the pics coming!
'Ol Gabe, thinking that in a former life I must have surely passed through there before someone was quoted as saying..."Damn the legations!"

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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #32 on: November 05, 2009, 10:37:34 pm »
Ol Gabe -

It certainly is interesting to see these images from a bygone day .....

The mounted Italian chaps appear to have M1891 Carcanos, in the Cavalry Carbine version introduced in 1893 with its folding bayonet .....





The capes and headgear must be part of their regular field lit, I think.   A close look at their boots and trousers suggests that they certainly aren't wearing "dress" uniform -


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Rattlesnake Jack Robson, Scout, Rocky Mountain Rangers, North West Canada, 1885
Major John M. Robson, Royal Scots of Canada, 1883-1901
Sgt. John Robson, Queen's Own Rifles of Canada, 1885
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #33 on: November 06, 2009, 12:08:11 pm »
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #34 on: November 07, 2009, 06:50:16 pm »


Pacified Moros with M1903 Springfields fitted with non-standard bolo bayonets.



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« Reply #35 on: November 07, 2009, 10:03:30 pm »
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #36 on: November 08, 2009, 02:41:14 pm »
Soldier with an M1873 trapdoor


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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #37 on: November 08, 2009, 05:39:12 pm »
 I would like to find bayonets for my Trapdoor rifle and my Krag.
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #38 on: November 08, 2009, 06:41:40 pm »
Check E-bay. I got several M-1873 bayonets there
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #39 on: November 08, 2009, 08:02:10 pm »
www.gunbroker.com       type "Trapdoor bayonet" in the search box


You can find Krag Bayonets there also.  Krag bayonets have really gotten crazy lately.  
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #40 on: November 08, 2009, 09:17:27 pm »
How crazy? I'd like to get one for my Krag, but if it's too much maybe I'll have to fake it with a springfield bayonet. But even fro that, all I have is the bayonet itself, no scabbard or anything. Those bolo bayonets are pretty mean looking! But my trapdoor already has one, later model with the rod bayonet.

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« Reply #41 on: November 08, 2009, 09:26:52 pm »
Its not too bad, better prices seem to be found if you buy them seperatly. (Bayonet and Scabbard)  Gunbroker seems to have better prices than E-bay right now.  Gun shows and antique shops seem to have gone thru the roof.
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« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2009, 09:53:45 pm »
I found some repro trapdoor bayonets one time and they weren't bad but you had to file the notches so that they'd fit. I wish I couuld remember where I got them.

Do you guys have any books of historic photo's that you'd recomend?
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« Reply #43 on: November 09, 2009, 07:26:26 pm »
I like to search out the original books. Bought a nice "coffee table" book about the Spanish American War. Printed in 1898 so there is no doubt as to the origin of the hundreds of huge photos. Brought it with me to the '09 Muster and a few people looked at it. $20 shipped on Ebay.

This photo was described as being a Sergeant in the Rough Riders. The holster is much like the right hand draw M1889 Naval Services holster. It is set up like a drop style Army holster, but at a straighter angle for right hand draw from the right side.  It's either a"field" modification of an '89 or a purpose built private purchase holster.

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« Reply #44 on: November 09, 2009, 08:07:30 pm »
More pictures, lots of the Stereographics out there on the Internet.  Y'alls favorite president!
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« Reply #45 on: November 09, 2009, 08:08:59 pm »
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« Reply #46 on: November 09, 2009, 08:12:43 pm »
Good look at some 1890s field kit
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #47 on: November 09, 2009, 09:23:41 pm »
Quote from: Charles Isaac
This photo was described as being a Sergeant in the Rough Riders. The holster is much like the right hand draw M1889 Naval Services holster. It is set up like a drop style Army holster, but at a straighter angle for right hand draw from the right side.  It's either a"field" modification of an '89 or a purpose built private purchase holster.
The sergeant in that picture is Frank Knox, later Secretary of War during World War II...
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Re: Historic Photos/GAF weapons
« Reply #48 on: November 10, 2009, 09:22:02 am »
Thanks for the ID Captain. Interesting how the Secretary of War back then had combat experience. I think that must be a disqualification nowadays.

Here's that favorite when it comes to Presidents. Teddy with a right hand holster that looks much like the Naval Services M1889. I have an original sitting here in front of me and that holster seems to have more belt loop in the back. It looks to be cut for a cross draw, unlike the one Sergeant Knox is pictured with. It seems the President may have canted it forward for a straighter profile either permanently modified or adjusted for the photo.

In that holster should be the once famous  but now largely forgotten M1889 Colts New Model Navy double action he carried that was salvaged by Navy Divers from the wreck of the Maine. And he got to keep it-how times have changed!

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« Reply #49 on: November 10, 2009, 10:10:19 am »
Great picture of Teddy.
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