Guns of the Darksiders

[Lucky R. K.]

I have always liked the rolling block action better than a Sharps, and have always wanted one that could compete Creedmoor style with the Sharps ... and in a perfect world there would be a reproduction rifle that I could afford that would do that ,,, and if it were in smething less punishing than the .45-70 (For my shoulders, though intact, are not getting any younger LOL), well. so much the better ...

If you plan to shoot at Creedmoor distances(1,000 yards) unless you want to spend a lot of money or, are good at putting together a rifle, you will need to go with 45 caliber. While 45-70 is acceptable for 1,000 yard shooting 45-90 or bigger would be better but they are not kind to the shoulder.  On the lower end of the scale Pedersoli is making a Rolling Block and Hi-Wall rifle that perform very well.  On the higher end Shiloh Sharps and CPA are making top-of-the-line rifles. 

There has been work done with the 38 caliber for long distances with success.  Fast twist barrels and looong bullets have given good results.  Someone shooting a 38-56 was overall long range winner at one ot the Camp Atterbury matches last year.  Going this route takes money and talent in rifle building.


For distances out to 500 yards,  concern for your shoulder, and cost I would recommend a Pedersoli Rolling Block in 40-65 caliber with the best sights you can afford for it.

Lucky 

[WaddWatsonEllis]

Lucky R.K.,

Thanks for the advice ... I will just be shooting SASS with it ... my eyesight and age is against open or peep sights and I don't see that getting any better at age ...

And there is a couple of  big gunshops nearby that I hope to stumble on somebodies unwanted Pedersoli rolling block ... and most probably will go with a .45-70 ... in that way I am a little 'luckier' ... I would imagine that  .45-70 will be the largest pool of used guns ...

[Major 2]

Sweet cased set Bishop. 

Here are a few pictures of my latest.  A 1 of 250 Grant/Lee matched pair cased set of 2nd Generation 1851 Navies.  Had a gentleman email me offering the set for sale cause he knew I was a collector.  He was the original owner and had never put the set together.  Everything was still in it's original wrapping and boxes.  He only took the pistols out from time to time to oil them up.  They've never been cocked, and the flask had never been unwrapped.  The pistols and accessories had never been put in the case (till yesterday).  I unwrapped everything, placed the items in the case, photographed the case, then rewrapped and boxed everything back up.  This set will stay as NIB as possible.


And a few more

  In the last photo on the round TG frame model what is stamped on the left side barrel flat "

[Fingers McGee]

  In the last photo on the round TG frame model what is stamped on the left side barrel flat "

Round Trigger Guard says "Robert E Lee Commemorative Nineteen Seventy-One"

Square backed one says "Ulysses S Grant Commemorative Nineteen Seventy-One"

[Griff]

Fingers,

Nice set.  And for a collector, very desirable.  However, a coupla years ago I ran across a set that HAD been fired, and the gent was willing to part with them for a VERY reasonable fee.  In fact, less than what two standard 2nd gen 1851s would have been, less than even the deals I got on the two that I did buy.  They didn't have the accessories or case any longer, but I really considered them for my shooters, but ultimately, they slide by the way and someone else got them... or at least I hope someone did, as I'd hate to think of them just languishing around in someone's safe... collecting dust... unused... unappreciated.

My reasoning (read excuse), for not getting them to shoot?  Didn't think I could stand having one with a sq trigger guard and one with a round!  I know, feeble... but hey, like I said, it was MY excuse!

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[Fingers McGee]

I was asked on another forum for a photo shoot of my Confederate revolver repros; so, I decided to post it here as well.  But, before anyone says anything about it.  Yes, I know there are a couple revolvers used by the CSA that have reproductions that are not represented here.  I have yet to add the Spiller and Burr and LeMat to my collection.  They're coming, I just havent gotten them yet.  The third revolver that most everyone will say is missing is the Schneider and Glassick.  One of these days I might get one; but, it wasn't really a CSA revolver.  There were at most 50 of them made and the real figure is probably a lot lower.  In all of the books I have on CSA small arms, the Schneider and Glassick is nothing more than a footnote.  From what I've read, there are only 3 authenticated examples in existence and one of them had an iron fram and round barrel instead of a brass frame and octagonal barrel.  

Anyhow, here's the picture:

Clockwise from the top:  1864 CH Rigdon made from 2007 Uberti L&R, Navy Arms/Pietta G&G mfg 1997, Navy Arms/GU G&G mfg 1960, Navy Arms/GU G&G mfg 1960(?), Traditions/Pietta Dance Brothers .44 mfg 2007, Navy Arms/Pietta L&R mfg 1979, 1864 CH Rigdon made from Uberti L&R mfg 1973

[Mason Stillwell]

Wow Great Photo and Great looking Guns. Thank for Posting

[claypipe]

Great layout, you definitely have a gifted eye. Thanks for sharing!

CP

[Harley Starr]

have you tried using one of these?


http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=651/Product/FLEX_HONE_RIFLE_POLISHING_SYSTEM

Never heard of it before rooster. Thanks. How well has it worked for you?

[Steel Horse Bailey]

Never heard of it before rooster. Thanks. How well has it worked for you?

I'm not Rooster, but we're friends!

Anyway, I've used those chamber hones before in my 12 Ga. and the chambers of my 45 cal. revolvers and rifles.  They worked great ... as long as you use the oil that Brownell's sells for it (it's special and just for honing, not like other "just plain" oils,) and you don't take shortcuts like too high RPM, etc.  The directions are few and uncomplicated, ya just need to USE them.  I noticed more improvement in my shotguns.  It DOES get a touch pricey, however, because you'll use 85% - 95% of the "life" of the hones on each gun.  The impregnated balls wear away quickly.  Good thing however, when their useful "life" has finished, they can still be used in the chambers of your rifles and revolvers to help take out the crud that forms in the chamber right up at the neck of the case - you know, that gritty-waxy-crap that is there after a long session of firing smokeyless rounds. (No - you DON'T get those "crud rings" from shooting BP.)

The shotgun hone slicked my chambers (I did 2 guns) up so that most fired cases will fall out when the action is opened. 

Be careful, 'tho.  Those things come in coarse and med-fine.  You can take off TOO much metal if you use the coarse hone too "vigorously" and at too high RPM.  Best is to start with the coarse, then finish with the finer hone.

Hope this helps.

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[Harley Starr]

Thanks Bailey.

[CPL Jayhawker Jake]

Not much compared to the wonderful pictures you guys have posted, but until I actually get to see my new toy in person, this pic will have to do:

[Marshal Deadwood]

Love them fluted '60 Armys !

MD

[Pony Racer]

I just saw the continued posts on the 43 spanish rollers....

I think it is very gun dependent.  I know I got lucky with the gun I got since it is near museum quality (only lacking a bayonet) and the bore was pristeen.

I have had great luck with using my shotgun load of  2f BP with a cookie and the Buffalo Brothers 43 spanish bullet and using the Lee dies to reload.

I use a wad cookie since the barrel is so long (36 C&B wads work great betw two thin wads) and they fit the necked portion of the 43 spanish case nicely.

At 100-150 yds I can easily hit the 14 x 14 plate or a nice sized pumpkin!


PR

[Fingers McGee]

Just picked these up recently.  Ft Sumter and Gettysburg Commemorative 1851 Navies by Hawes Firearms.  Made in 1971 by Armi San Paolo.  Matching serial numbers (A030 and B030

[Capt. Jack McQuesten]

My trio of Pietta New Army's.......

[Mason Stillwell]

Those are some fine looking shooters. I am a remmy fan ! The wood on those grips is very nice also ! Thanks for posting 

[Hoof Hearted]

Love them fluted '60 Armys !

MD

How about a full fluted Remington Army?

[Steel Horse Bailey]

How about a full fluted Remington Army?

Nice gun, Hoofie!

One of my very faves is an 1862 Pocket Police with a 4" barrel & fluted cylinder, but not full flutes.  They are so compact and yet still .36 cal. power.  It would be in the Olde West about like carrying a .380 nowadays ... which I do when I don't have enough "room" to hide my 1911A1 Commander.

[Hoof Hearted]

Thanks SHB!

Here's my new favorite:





BP only affair.........60 grains of it!