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T - 5 Days and counting....
« on: October 05, 2007, 09:34:17 am »
Just an early announcement for those of you who need to put in for time off by the first of the year. Next year's Grand Muster will be held October 3-5 At Fort Hartsuff Nebraska.

Housing will be available in the restored 1875 enlisted man's barracks but is limited to the first 40 registrants. If there are any ladies who would like to stay at Fort Hartsuff we may be able to put them up in the hospital or the laundress quarters. There is also limited primative camping at the range sight. Be sure to bring your wives even if they don't want to stay at the fort. We plan to have a period "hop" folowing the banquet Saturday evening.

Delmonico is once again slated to provide the meals.

The "Battle Rifle" class is highly encouraged (but not required) as pistol caliber rounds tend to peter out at the range that at least one shot will be attempted.

This will be a unique shoot with stages based on little known and obscure plains Indian War Period fights. At this point I'm not sure about side matches but I expect have at least  a wild buntch stage as a side match.

I plan to be available to give a guided tour of Fort Hartsuff sometime during the weekend and to make time for participants to tour the fort on their own.

For Photos of the Fort and range site see the links below

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,14741.0.html

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,14573.0.html

More information will be available as the time draws nearer.

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Re: T - 363 Days and counting....
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2007, 10:24:16 am »
Thank you for the advanced notice, Sir.

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« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2007, 01:43:45 pm »
Sounds good to me.  The farther the date is from July-August the better chance I have that I won't be called to remain in the area to brief Congress, the Secretary of the Navy, etc. 

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Re: T - 363 Days and counting....
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2007, 05:48:28 pm »
Thanks for the notice.  I plan on making the trip if all goes well between now and then.   it sounds like it will be a good time.

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Re: T - 363 Days and counting....
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2007, 09:27:19 am »
Sounds good to me.  The farther the date is from July-August the better chance I have that I won't be called to remain in the area to brief Congress, the Secretary of the Navy, etc. 
Glad to hear it General! We scheduled it that way just for you ;)

Actually the further away from the tourist season the better everyone will like it at the fort, both from the park staff, and from the GAF perspectives.

Thanks for the notice.  I plan on making the trip if all goes well between now and then.   it sounds like it will be a good time.

Glad to hear you're going to try and come too Kid. I look forward to shooting with you again. Will you be shooting a real man's cartridge; like say, oh maybe a .50-70 or something like that next year?  ;) ;D ;D
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Re: T - 363 Days and counting....
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2007, 11:06:16 am »
What is the entry fee and where do I send it in order to reserve a place in the barracks? ;D
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Re: T - 363 Days and counting....
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2007, 12:22:48 pm »
Entry Fees have yet to be determined, but will probably be about the same as the Dept. of the MO shoot last spring. We may have to charge slightly more though, as Delmonico will be feeding us more meals. Registration will most likely be sent to me, but let's not get in a hurry for that just yet. Rest assured though, I'll make sure you have a bed in the barracks John.
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Re: T - 363 Days and counting....
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2007, 04:06:11 pm »
Pitspitr,

I would truely like to shoot a so called "Man's Cartriage".  But I would hate to break someone elses targets when I hit them. ;D ;D ;D  Besides with the way I buy guns ya never know what I'll have next year.  I did find a mini replica firing cannon for sale on the net.  Would that be big enough for ya. ;D ;D ;D 

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« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2007, 04:13:47 pm »
Pard, you may have one already and just don't know it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,yet. ;D

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Re: T - 363 Days and counting....
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2007, 03:54:21 pm »
Is this the national muster like you had in Ackly Iowa recently. 
I really wanted to make the one last summer at fort hartrstuff. 
I'm marking my calender.
Can I come as a civlian "haymaker" to supply hay for the troops horses? 
What all classes do you have to shoot in?  is it SASS or NCOWS or both or niether or both plus?
lookin' forward to it already.
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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2007, 05:38:14 pm »
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Re: T - 363 Days and counting....
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2007, 07:01:15 pm »
Sounds like a GREAT match you have planned in a GREAT location!!!
I will be there unless duty calls.
Lemme know what you need for assistance.

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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2007, 11:53:00 pm »
For Haymaker:

These are meant to be GAF classes at a GAF only match, like a regional or National Muster. GAF classes are Rifle based, not handgun as per SASS and NCOWs.  Mode of hangun operation is considered irrelivant based on the use of one gun and reloading.  All weapons shall start with no more than 5 rounds loaded.  Reloads are unlimited.  As a technical limitation, no loading aids (Stripper Clips, moon clips, etc.) shall be used.

Much of this is based on the concepts as put forth in the "Battle Rifle" standards.  THese are all 2 gun (rifle and pistol) unless specificaly stated.  Please review the "Battle Rifle" entry. 

 Handguns shall be Milspec, or of demonstrated military usage, related in period to the rifle used. "Scout" classes are restricted to Single Action Revolvers.

Those wishing to use C&Bs may use more than one revolver/cylinder, but will have to cap on the clock in liu of reloading.

All Calibers in the Milspec class will be milspec, with case by case exemptions granted.  (Example: a properly outfitted Winchester 95 carbine in .30-06 may be accepted in liu of the Milspec .30 US caliber)

All calibers will be loaded to CAS spec.  Rifle calibers will be all lead, no more than 405 grains lead at no more than 1400 FPS. Calibers greater than .501 may use up to a 480 grain bullet. Gas checks may be used at the Match directors discretion on rifle calibers of .32 or less.  (Call Ahead!)  Hangun calibers all lead at no more than 1000 fps.  Further requirements for minimum pistol loadings are under discussion and may be implimented should need be.

Handgun Calibers in "Scout" classes ( Scout, Buffalo Scout and Forager Scout) will have a minmum bore diameter of .357.

For purposes here, Spencers are considered "Repeaters," not lever actions. Winchester 95s are also considered "Repeaters".  "Lever actions" utilize underbarrel magazines.

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2-Milspec Repeating Rifle, Black Powder.
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3-Milspec Single Shot, Smokeless Powder.
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(Combine if Numbers warrent)

5-Militia-Lever action, rifle calibers.

6-Scout- Lever action, pistol calibers, single action revolvers.

7-Staff Officer- Handgun only, Milspec or of documented Military use in the Victorian era.  No loading aids.
8-Infantry-Milspec rifle only.
9-Buffalo Scout- Single shot hunting rifles (no ejectors), single action revolver.
10-Forager Scout- Single shot (ejectors allowed) double barrel (No ejectors) or lever action shotgun, single action revolver. (Bummer class!)

For those wanting a Spencer class, If you think about it, BP repeater will most likely be just that.

Note we often refer to hanguns, not single action revolvers.  It means just that.  That they should be related in PERIOD to the rifle used in the Milspec classes gives a great deal of flexibility.  MILSPEC classes will be shot in accordance with Battle Rifle Standards

Classes may be combined at the Match directors discretion should numbers warrent.  Any class may be devided by powder type should numbers warrent

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Re: T - 363 Days and counting....
« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2007, 05:47:05 am »
I thought that you still had a class for the SASS standard guns.
2 single agtion revolvers, Pistol caliber levder gun with tube magazine and a shotgun. 
or even 1 revolver and the levergun.  Am I mistakin?
Or is it Just the Scout class? 
I don't have a uniform but figger' I'n a civilian contractor supplyin' hay for the troops horses. 
Not really a Scout.
I do have an .45-70 H & R Handi -rifle.  Does t fit anywere?  Probably not.
either way it sounds like a great time and somthig different form the nomal cowboy shoot
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Re: T - 363 Days and counting....
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2007, 06:12:07 am »
Sounds like the scout class should work for you. (It was the largest class this year)

Who knows, we may even have a HAY field fight stage just for you ;)
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« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2007, 09:37:30 am »
Bah!  I'd LOVE to come...sign me up!

Wait....

My wedding is on the 11th and I cain't see the wife lettin' me outta her sight that close.

Sorry fellas.  I'll be there in spirit.  ;)

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« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2007, 10:42:32 am »
My wedding is on the 11th and I cain't see the wife lettin' me outta her sight that close.

Bring her with you! We need women to dance with at the ball. Mine will be there.
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« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2007, 10:48:49 am »


Who knows, we may even have a HAY field fight stage just for you ;)

It's bacon and beans most every day, we'd a soon be eatin' prairie hay. ;D
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« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2007, 08:18:06 pm »
I thought that you still had a class for the SASS standard guns.
2 single agtion revolvers, Pistol caliber levder gun with tube magazine and a shotgun. 
or even 1 revolver and the levergun.  Am I mistakin?
Or is it Just the Scout class? 
I don't have a uniform but figger' I'n a civilian contractor supplyin' hay for the troops horses. 
Not really a Scout.
I do have an .45-70 H & R Handi -rifle.  Does t fit anywere?  Probably not.
either way it sounds like a great time and somthig different form the nomal cowboy shoot
thanks


Haymaker,

GAF shooting categories are based on the rifle.  We have several categories that use military-specification rifles, but we also realize that many of our members (and those just interested in attending the Grand Muster), don't have such a firearm and would like to use their standard CAS rifles and pistols.

Consequently, our Scout category is designed for those who have a pistol-caliber lever action rifle and a single-action pistol.  Even though it is called the "Scout" category, you don't have to be a "Scout" to shoot it, any more than you have to be a militiaman to shoot in the Militia Category (which uses a rifle-caliber lever action rifle).  The category names have nothing to do with your alias or persona.

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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2007, 11:09:42 pm »
Haymaker, you are equipped to shoot in 2 classes.  "Scout" uses a pistol caliber lever action and a single action revolver.  "Buffalo Scout" uses a single shot hunting rifle and a single action revolver.   You can shoot the latter with your H&R if you disable the ejector.  None of the "Scout" classes have any Uniform requirements.
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« Reply #20 on: October 13, 2007, 11:29:33 pm »
Thanks Guys,
I'm markin' my calender.

Can the qualification be shot with these same guns?

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« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2007, 09:27:13 am »
Yes, and no. The pistols and lever rifle should be fine, but we don't have a qualification for the shotgun. I checked the approved list for the H&R but didn't find it on the list so I just can't allow it for the marksmanship qualification. If you want to shoot it in the postal shoot I'll allow it and as MAA Drydock said it'd be approved for the buffalo scout class at the muster.

Here's a link to the approved list.
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« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2007, 03:50:02 am »
Thanks,

I figured that the shotgun wasn't used for the marksmanship.  And I know the H&R isn't an acccurate copy of anything 19th century military, although it's probably a decendant.  I was mainly asking about the pistol caliber rifle. 
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Re: T - 363 Days and counting....
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2007, 03:08:12 pm »
I've also got the calendar marked, as I certainly want to make it to Muster 2008 ... especially in view of the location.

My "batman" ... being a bit of a "wuss" ... has indicated he doesn't think he'll want to go if it means sleeping in the Barracks ... but that sounds right up my alley - provided others don't mind putting up with aging, overweight barracksmates, that is....

I'm going to alert Hardtack Henry (with whom I attended Muster 2005) as I suspect he'll definitely want to attend if at all possible, in view of his impression is an Indian Wars infantry sergeant.  (Accordingly, if you can reserve two additional bunks for us, that would be much appreciated, Col Pitspitr!)

By the way Pards, the Nebraska State website's page on Fort Hartsuff State Historical Park has a nice, albeit brief, video on the facility:
http://www.ngpc.state.ne.us/parks/guides/parksearch/showpark.asp?Area_No=74
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Re: T - 363 Days and counting....
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2007, 07:45:49 pm »
As a matter of interest, looking for further information about Ft. Hartsuff online, I came across the following:





The above images are available online in conjunction with the entire text of a book entitled "Trail of the Loup"
(or "Trail of the Loup River") apparently published in 1906 - here is a link to Chapter 10, dealing with Fort Hatrsuff:
http://www.memoriallibrary.com/NE/Loup/1906/Chap/10/

And here's a photograph of the Enlisted Men's Barracks in the restored Fort:
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