Early 1866 Uberti question

Started by Hoof Hearted, January 02, 2009, 10:19:51 PM

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Hoof Hearted

I just traded into this Carbine ;D


No, that's not my foot ;)
Notice the hammer? It is hollow on the sides. This is not the first time I have seen this.
The Carbine also has no lever latch, but it does have a lever safety like on the current 1873's.




Anybody know if a current production hammer will fit and function in this older model?
I figure I can sell this "factory lightweight" hammer to one of the gamers over on the SASS wire ::)

Thanks for the opinions!
HH
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Fox Creek Kid

What's the date(year) code on that?

Pettifogger

As you noted, on the early Ubetis the trigger mechanism is different, the carrier is shorter and most of the parts won't interchange with current production Ubertis.  Hard to find replacement parts if something breaks.  I wouldn't be selling any of the original parts, you aren't likely to find replacements.

Flint

To add to Pettifogger's remarks, I have one that broke its lever safety spring some years ago, and no replacement was available.  It is not the same as the lever safety on the 73.  I ended up milling a seat for a Henry trigger spring into the receiver and installing a one-piece Henry trigger in the carbine.  This is the trigger and spring used in the current production.

The bolt (?) and carrier are shorter than current production as Pettifogger suggested, and the lever has no lock.  Mine has a standard 66 hammer, not lightened, and the lock tab is on the lever, but no lock on the receiver tang, nor hole for one.

There is a notch in front of the ejectoin port and the bolt projects foreward into it, so it may be the same length as current, but the carrier is definitely shofter.  That could mean the carrier lifter arm might also be shorter.

perhaps no two early Ubertis were alike,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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Coffinmaker


I have to agree with Pettifogger and Flint.  I work on a LOT of Uberti rifles, and there are simply NO parts available for the real old build guns anywhere.  Something breaks,  bad news.  Some of the springs can be replaced with a bunch of fitting, but the "hard" parts are "unique."

KEEP the hammer in the gun.

That your blood on the ladle??

Coffinmaker

pistol1911

I have a Navy Arms 66 manufactured in 1967.No lever latch,hollowed hammer cal. 22 LR.I assumed the hollowed hammer was  used because of the caliber. Jim

Hoof Hearted

Well when it gets here on Monday or Tuesday, I'll have to do a tear down on a couple in the vault. If there were that many evolutionary changes maybe I'll get lucky!

Not my blood, I assumed it was that most of the blueing (which appears purple) had been "cleaned" off. There is a white spot on the lever too.

I'll report back with my findings and the date of manufacture.

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Branding Iron Bill

Well, anyway you cut it, it's still  a real cool looking little gem.  44-40 I assume.  If so, then the more reason to hang on to it.
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Flint

I believe most very early Ubertis were 44-40.  Mine is.  Mine was sold off to Martin B. Retting years ago from overstock when they built the Gene Autry Museum in Los Angeles.  Got it in 1992 for $360.
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Hoof Hearted

Well it arrived ;D

The gent I got it from never answered my question asking if the rear sight was stock, and it ain't :-\
I'm still happy and it was what I wanted.
Pics as soon as there is sunlight, until then:

It appears that it was fired very little.
The date code (only on the side of the barrel) is 1966. Three digit serial number.
As mentioned above there are some major differences in these older guns.
Most noticeably the carrier (and the ejection port) is much narrower and shorter than current Ubertis.
This has to be the reason for the notch in the front of the top of the receiver as there would be no other way to cycle loaded 44-40 rounds and get them to eject.
I had heard that the twist rate was "faster" on these old guns and this one appears to be. Looks more like a pistol twist.

I'll keep updating what I find inside to be interchangeable.
Pics also

Thanks
HH


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