DOES ANYONE KNOW? ? ? ? ?

[The Arapaho Kid]

Does anyone know if there is a stage in CAS where a shooter can engage targets with two six-shooters at the same time?  If there isn't...I think there should be.  Six targets.  Three left and three right...shoot Las Vegas on them,  Five rounds in ecah gun.  Work them left to right, or vice versa, shooters choice.  Work only one set of targets at a time...left hand first then right, or vice versa...shooters choice.  This stage could only be used in Duelist, or Gunfighter class.

Thoughts on this?

[Micheal Fortune]

Two six shooters at the same time, sure TAK, that's what the gunfighter category is all about.

[Silver Creek Slim]

I'm not sure what you're asking. Do you mean: pull both pistols out at the same time (gunfighter), empty one pistol, then empty the second pistol?

Slim

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[The Arapaho Kid]

I'm not sure what you're asking. Do you mean: pull both pistols out at the same time (gunfighter), empty one pistol, then empty the second pistol?

Slim

Yeah!  I'm talking a six-shooter in each hand...not fired at the same time.  You empty one, then the other.  Take out your right targets, then the left, or vice versa.  I'm not familiar with the Gunfighter Class of shooting.  Could someonewho shoots Gunfighter tell me how this works?

[Silver Creek Slim]

For SASS, if you pull both pistols out of their holsters, you have to shoot them alternately (ie. right, left, right, left, etc.). This is the Gunfighter class. I shoot in Frontier Cartridge Duelist class, but if a stage is Gunfighter "friendly" I will shoot it Gunfighter style.
Hope this answers your questions.

Slim

[Howdy Doody]

Yeah the way I take the new rules you can pull both revolvers at the same time in gunfighter, you don;t necessarily have to alternate anymore, you can shoot one of them empty and then start in with the other. That is what I am gonna try soon. I shoot double duelist anyways, might as well have them both out when the stage calls for two pistols in a row. I am going to throw a twist into it. I will be shooting BP

[Stoney Pete]

...I shoot double duelist anyways,...

"double" duelist is the coolest.

Stoney (what ain't got the mental capacity to have both guns out at the same time) Pete

[Silver Creek Slim]

Yeah the way I take the new rules you can pull both revolvers at the same time in gunfighter, you don;t necessarily have to alternate anymore, you can shoot one of them empty and then start in with the other. That is what I am gonna try soon. I shoot double duelist anyways, might as well have them both out when the stage calls for two pistols in a row. I am going to throw a twist into it. I will be shooting BP

Now that ya say that, I do remember they changed it. But, I can't find the wording in the Jan 2005 Handbook, which is the newest on the SASS site. http://sassnet.com/Shooters-Handbook-001A.php


Slim

[Joyce (AnnieLee)]

Dang Slim, you have the older version! Version 11 is on the website now, dated April 2005.

http://www.sassnet.com/Downloads/ShootersHandbook/SHBv110.pdf

Gunfighter is discussed on page 10:

This category requires two Traditional style single actions, both shot Duelist style, one right handed and the other left handed. Any SASS legal shotgun, rifle, or propellant may be used. Two standard holsters are required, one on each side. No cross-draw or "butt-forward" configurations are allowed.

When a stage calls for 10 pistol rounds in a single sequence or the use of only one pistol per stage, the Gunfighter may draw both pistols and engage the targets. The Gunfighter shall shoot the targets in exactly the same sequence as prescribed in the stage.

Both pistols may be cocked at the same time, but must be shot one at a time to facilitate scoring. A Gunfighter may not holster pistols until all the rounds are expended unless the pistols were drawn at the wrong time or a pistol/ammunition malfunction occurred.

It the stage requires the use of another firearm between the pistol sequences or the shooter's hands are otherwise constrained (e.g., rolling the dice between the pistol sequences), the pistols must be drawn and shot one at a time.

AnnieLee

[Howdy Doody]

Howdy Annie, thanks for posting that. I haven't read up on the rules, but I have noticed that folks have been drawing both pistols, shooting the stage in sequence and doing it in a shoot one pistol first and then the other. This must be what they were talking about in new rules, but there are so many rules these days in so many places too. Rule Book, RO1 course, RO2 course and then club rules can be different from sass rules too.
I am so confused, but like I said it will be BP for me and maybe if I can get enough smoke going, no one will know what the heck anyway.
 

[Silver Creek Slim]

Dang Slim, you have the older version! Version 11 is on the website now, dated April 2005.

http://www.sassnet.com/Downloads/ShootersHandbook/SHBv110.pdf

Gunfighter is discussed on page 10:

This category requires two Traditional style single actions, both shot Duelist style, one right handed and the other left handed. Any SASS legal shotgun, rifle, or propellant may be used. Two standard holsters are required, one on each side. No cross-draw or "butt-forward" configurations are allowed.

When a stage calls for 10 pistol rounds in a single sequence or the use of only one pistol per stage, the Gunfighter may draw both pistols and engage the targets. The Gunfighter shall shoot the targets in exactly the same sequence as prescribed in the stage.

Both pistols may be cocked at the same time, but must be shot one at a time to facilitate scoring. A Gunfighter may not holster pistols until all the rounds are expended unless the pistols were drawn at the wrong time or a pistol/ammunition malfunction occurred.

It the stage requires the use of another firearm between the pistol sequences or the shooter's hands are otherwise constrained (e.g., rolling the dice between the pistol sequences), the pistols must be drawn and shot one at a time.

AnnieLee

It says April 2005 on the web page, but when it is opened it is January 2005. Oh well.  By what you posted, I don't see that ya can empty one pistol than empty the other. Am I missing nothin (besides a "g") ?

Slim

[Joyce (AnnieLee)]

Dang Slim, you have the older version! Version 11 is on the website now, dated April 2005.

http://www.sassnet.com/Downloads/ShootersHandbook/SHBv110.pdf

Gunfighter is discussed on page 10:

This category requires two Traditional style single actions, both shot Duelist style, one right handed and the other left handed. Any SASS legal shotgun, rifle, or propellant may be used. Two standard holsters are required, one on each side. No cross-draw or "butt-forward" configurations are allowed.

When a stage calls for 10 pistol rounds in a single sequence or the use of only one pistol per stage, the Gunfighter may draw both pistols and engage the targets. The Gunfighter shall shoot the targets in exactly the same sequence as prescribed in the stage.

Both pistols may be cocked at the same time, but must be shot one at a time to facilitate scoring. A Gunfighter may not holster pistols until all the rounds are expended unless the pistols were drawn at the wrong time or a pistol/ammunition malfunction occurred.

It the stage requires the use of another firearm between the pistol sequences or the shooter's hands are otherwise constrained (e.g., rolling the dice between the pistol sequences), the pistols must be drawn and shot one at a time.

AnnieLee

It says April 2005 on the web page, but when it is opened it is January 2005. Oh well.  By what you posted, I don't see that ya can empty one pistol than empty the other. Am I missing nothin (besides a "g") ?

Slim

As long as the shooter uses the same target sequence, it no longer matters which revolver shoots the round. A Gunfighter can shoot all five from the right then all five from the left, or alternate, or shoot 3 left 2 right 2 left 3 right. The only prohibition is if he draws both revolvers, neither can be holstered until it is empty.

The other day we had a pistol sequence that was dump five on the left target, then five on the right target. I could have pulled both revolvers and dumped five with the left revolver, then five with the right one. A "gamer" Gunfighter might have shot it that way, but since I am still learning and still getting used to the coordination, I alternated my shots LRLRL, RLRLR.

Does that make sense?

AnnieLee

[Silver Creek Slim]

It makes sense. But, what do ya do when the stage sequence is:  shoot one pistol, then rifle, then other pistol? The local club does that often.

[Joyce (AnnieLee)]

Then you have to shoot five from one hand/revolver, then five from the other hand/revolver. In the old handbooks, they called it "double duelist", but I don't see the term in the new one.

AnnieLee

[Silver Creek Slim]

I think the old way was to shoot both revolvers alternately for 5 rounds, reholster, shoot rifle, then shoot both revolvers alternately for 5 rounds.

Slim

[Joyce (AnnieLee)]

I think the old way was to shoot both revolvers alternately for 5 rounds, reholster, shoot rifle, then shoot both revolvers alternately for 5 rounds.

Slim

I think you can still do that at ranges/clubs where they allow you to holster before emptying the revolver. But most clubs don't have that rule so SASS rules apply.

AnnieLee

[Marauder]

I think the old way was to shoot both revolvers alternately for 5 rounds, reholster, shoot rifle, then shoot both revolvers alternately for 5 rounds.

Slim

As Annie mentioned, that has never been allowed under SASS rules.  You have to shoot the pistols dry, then holster.  That is why they require the "double duelist" shooting if the pistols are separated by another gun or action with the hands such as picking something up. 

Also, as Annie stated, some clubs will allow it, but I don't think the SASS folks are thrilled with that as it results in confustion where SASS rules apply.

Some gunfighters are still working to be allowed to shoot 5 then holster but others (gunfighters and others) believe that may reduce the margins of safety a little too far.  So the rules still stands for now at least. 

[The Arapaho Kid]

The main reason I started this thread was because I was curious about drawing and shooting two six-shooters on one stage.  My problem is I have a Buscadero gun rig and I normally shoot right handed.  So...on a pistol stage I first draw my right gun...shoot the targets...holster it...draw my left gun....transfer it to my right hand and shoot the targets.  This burns up time.  I'm thinking that if I drew my left gun and fired it left handed I could possibly shave off a few seconds of my total time on that stage.  What I may have to do is check with the officials of the club where I shoot and get their input on drawing and shooting two six-guns at on the stage.  The jury seems to be out on this at the moment.

[Camille Eonich]

Arapaho, it is perfectly ok for you to shoot one gun with one hand and one with the other hand.  You would register as duelist.  If you want to have both guns out at the same time you must register as gunfighter.


You really should download and read the rules and the RO manuals.  They would help you understand a lot about what's going on while you are shooting.