Anyone Need a Hammer for an 1860 Army ??

[Waya]

  I bought the 1860 Army Hammer years ago. It fits a Uberti 1860 Army, but I have no use for it since all I shoot is the
'51 Navy by Colt Firearms ( 2nd Generations ).

 V.T.I. has the part listed for $42.06

  Taylor & Co has the same part listed for $ 32.80

  This hammer isn't cut for all the safety crud that's now on most Italian Repros, and is Color Case hardened and NEVER
Used. Theres NO rust or wear on the hammer, as it's been wrapped and in a box with various other parts and hammers,
and kept in a safe place away from humidity, etc.

 If anyone is interested, contact me through email and we'll palaver. I'll take $25.00 + shipping chgs, Postal M/O only.

[Singing Bear]

You could hang onto it to use as a spare for your 51.  Part numbers should be the same. 

[Waya]

You could hang onto it to use as a spare for your 51.  Part numbers should be the same. 

  Well,,,, LOL,,, I would,,, except all my BP pistols are made by Colt, and the Italian made Uberti's & etc.
don't exactly work too well in Colts Firearms !

  The hammer screw holes are too small for Colt screws, as is the hole for the hand. I just figured that if someone needed
one, or an extra for one of their Italian Repro 1860 Armys, I've got one that I don't need, nor can use, and
would sell it to someone who could probably use it instead of it laying around in my parts box being absolutely
useless to me !!

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[Flint]

I replaced the hammer on my 1860 3rd gen Colt with an Uberti, and it fit and works beautifully.  The 3rd gen parts were made by a variety of Italian makers, including ASM.  I didn't try it in my 2nd gen as they didn't need replacing.  The 3rd gen factory hammer bothered me as it was not shaped correctly, and didn't look like a Colt hammer.

Apparently Uberti changed the parts for the 2nd gen guns to perhaps the original Colt dimensions, but the 3rd gen guns made no pretense at being correct or authentic.

Otherwise, as far as I can tell, Uberti parts will fit the 2nd gen Colts, as well as originals for the most part.  I have an original 61 Navy made in 1862 that bears an Uberti cylinder, and it fits and times up properly.

[Waya]

I replaced the hammer on my 1860 3rd gen Colt with an Uberti, and it fit and works beautifully.  The 3rd gen parts were made by a variety of Italian makers, including ASM.  I didn't try it in my 2nd gen as they didn't need replacing.  The 3rd gen factory hammer bothered me as it was not shaped correctly, and didn't look like a Colt hammer.

Apparently Uberti changed the parts for the 2nd gen guns to perhaps the original Colt dimensions, but the 3rd gen guns made no pretense at being correct or authentic.

Otherwise, as far as I can tell, Uberti parts will fit the 2nd gen Colts, as well as originals for the most part.  I have an original 61 Navy made in 1862 that bears an Uberti cylinder, and it fits and times up properly.


  My '51 Navy Colts are early 2ng Generation. I wasn't too sure about the 1860 Repro hammer since it was in among all my other Colt Parts, and I've had it for so long, I bought it back in the 1980's !!!

  But believe me, it dosn't fit the early 2nd Generation Navy Colt's.

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so I tryed to fit it into my Navys, and the Colt screws are bigger then the Uberti holes, as is the Colt hand

[Montana Slim]

I'll add that my dad's original 1851 has a Pietta cylinder (just for shootin')....had to polish the end face slightly to make it turn freely, though.

I figure everyone knows the "2nd" generation Colts (C&B)...were only "finished" by Colt, they didn't make the parts. Colt wasn't involved in the "3rd gen" production beyond their name was stamped on em' (by someone else). By finishing these guns in the US, it kept them from having to put the Italian proofs on them, too.

Slim

[Steel Horse Bailey]

Howdy!

Do we know EXACTLY when Uberti started making the forgings that Iver Johnson worked on , then assembled and then sent to Colt for finishing?

The reason I ask is because I have a Colt 2nd Gen., 1st Mod. 1848 Dragoon.  The 2nd Gen BP guns are listed as having been made from 1972-1981.  It's my UNDERSTANDING (as differentiated from known, provable FACTS  ) that Colt actually made their BP guns for the 1st year or so before passing the duties on to Uberti/Iver Johnson.  (Incidentally, I also have an 1860 I.J.-marked Uberti that I bought about 1975 that is one of only a few that were marked "Iver Johnson" and Uberti.  This IS during the time that the whole Colt/IJ/Uberti thing was going on.  I mention this because my Italian IJ, made at the same time that IJ & Uberti were making the Colts, while a FINE gun, is GREATLY different (mostly the quality of the metal, internal serial #s and slightly better finishing) than my Colt Dragoon, ser. # 26,8XX.)

Thanks

[Waya]

Howdy!

Do we know EXACTLY when Uberti started making the forgings that Iver Johnson worked on , then assembled and then sent to Colt for finishing?

The reason I ask is because I have a Colt 2nd Gen., 1st Mod. 1848 Dragoon.  The 2nd Gen BP guns are listed as having been made from 1972-1981.  It's my UNDERSTANDING (as differentiated from known, provable FACTS  ) that Colt actually made their BP guns for the 1st year or so before passing the duties on to Uberti/Iver Johnson.  (Incidentally, I also have an 1860 I.J.-marked Uberti that I bought about 1975 that is one of only a few that were marked "Iver Johnson" and Uberti.  This IS during the time that the whole Colt/IJ/Uberti thing was going on.  I mention this because my Italian IJ, made at the same time that IJ & Uberti were making the Colts, while a FINE gun, is GREATLY different (mostly the quality of the metal, internal serial #s and slightly better finishing) than my Colt Dragoon, ser. # 26,8XX.)
Thanks

Steel Horse, I understand the same thing about Colt making the first innitial run of the 2nd. Generation 1851 Navy's. I bought my first two at about that 1972 period when they first came out. I purchased them from Collectors Firearms in Houston,Texas, and if my memory serves me right, I believe I payed somewhere in the vacinity of $250.00 a piece, plus tax for them brand new, and both in the Light Brown Boxes as originally issued on the 2nd. Generation Navys.

  I also purchased a Colt's Pocket Navy and Police, consecituve serial numbered, both for the price of I believe around $350.00 each. Then bought the Colt's Walker ( In the BLACK Box ) and payed $450.00 for it brand new, realising that these 3 Colt's Revolvers were made for Colt by Uberti !!

  I never bothered with the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd Model Dragoons, nor the 1860 Colt's Army Model in the Second Generation series, since I mostly buy and collect the Colt's Single Action's in both 1st and 2nd Generations. Most of my S.A.A's were purchased back in the Mid to late 1970's and the price ranges payed for them ( used ) was anywhere from $150.00 up to around $400.00. That's back when a good Colt could be had for way, way less then what they're asking and going for today,,,,,, understandably !!!! 

  I'm not exactly shure when IJ and Uberti started making the guns for Colt, but believe it was sometime in the late 1970's and early 1980's. I've heard so many stories on the subject at Gun Shows, etc, that's it's kinda hard to pin down. LMAO,,,, I do know that Diehard Colt Collectors get
just a tad bent out of shape when you mention to them that the Italians are making Colt's S.A.A's and BP Pistols !!!

  And BTW,,, old Ray Miebaum  died sometime back, and all his guns and parts were sold off on Auction websites. A damned good man and Colt's S.A.A. parts source for many, many years. R.I.P. Ray !!

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[Steel Horse Bailey]

Thanks, Waya.

St. George and Major 2 answered me in detail about this question on another CAS City section. (The Historical Society)

It's a great gun and a great shooter!