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Title: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: Coffinmaker on August 27, 2019, 10:00:49 am

Whilst slumming over on that "other wire," kept running into comments about a Leather Barrel Wrap for the 1860 Henry.  Couldn't figure out what they were talking about and the comments included "recently approved by SASS."  Never heard of it.  Some confused.

Finally went up to their "stickies" and found a new entry about a newly approved "safety" addition for the Henry.  Seems folks have been whining about "Hot Barrel" and expecially some what's been shooting Black Powder or Subs.

Some nabob has come up with a "Wrap" to go 'round the barrel to protect the delicate hands of Henry shooters from Hot Barrel Syndrome.  Pictures of the Sample Example were included.  Not to be really snarky, it is a Gim Dandy ider.  Sample example had a hole cut to go around the rear sight (keeps the wrap in place) and also indicated one would need a "stick" to stop the follower whilst still shoving the cartridges into the Carrier Block.  Think I'm gonna make one.  Or several.
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: Major 2 on August 27, 2019, 10:46:08 am
I'm somewhat titillated to go take a gander .... but then naught , I don't wanna go on the other wire
Send me your completed photo and I'll post it for ya..... :)

I attribute the spacer stick Idea to Driftwood Johnson, may not been his patent but he was the one that showed it to me...
I don't use one anymore and a plain black driving glove serves me .

Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: Coffinmaker on August 27, 2019, 01:28:51 pm

Ah well ... not quite.  I came up with the Idea for the spacer stick several Lustrum ago.  Was communing with Driftwood at the time so I sent him one of my prototypes.  He liked it but made his own owt of a different material.  Later development resulted in Stick, Mark 1, A1 which is just super trix.

If you want, I can send you some glossy(s) of Stick, Mark 1, A1 to post here for me so other Henry Shooters can take a peak.
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: Major 2 on August 27, 2019, 02:05:59 pm
I stand corrected
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: Tuolumne Lawman on August 27, 2019, 03:31:51 pm
Years ago, maybe late 90s, someone fabricated  and was selling a leather covered gizmo for the 1860 Henry that was spring steel with leather stitched on both sides, about 5 inches long, shaped like a figure 8, with the top of the 8 open.  It clamped/slid on the barrel and mag tube, and the follower went through the bottom hole of the 8. 

I really wish I had ordered one, as it looked pretty neat.  I also saw a Henry that had wood panels about 6" long on each side of the barrel/mag tube.  It was held on boy screws that were threaded into the area between barrel and mag tube.
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: Abilene on August 27, 2019, 04:02:39 pm
... I also saw a Henry that had wood panels about 6" long on each side of the barrel/mag tube.  It was held on boy screws that were threaded into the area between barrel and mag tube.

that sounds a little like the optional forend that Taylors sold for the transitional Henry a while back.  Personally, I thought that forend was butt-ugly.
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: Major 2 on August 27, 2019, 04:15:02 pm
that sounds a little like the optional forend that Taylors sold for the transitional Henry a while back.  Personally, I thought that forend was butt-ugly.

you were not alone in that opinion
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: Coffinmaker on August 27, 2019, 07:15:28 pm


EWELL EXCUSE ME    ::)  I just happen to have Three of those Transitional Henry rifles in various barrel lengths and also have those (ahem) Butt Ugly Fore Ends.  Nicely checkered I might add.  And I use em on my Transitional Henry rifles and think they look just FINE ..... THANKYOU VERY MUCH   ;D   So There  Thibbit. Thibbit.

I am just thinking about just how much barrel I can cover with one of these new fangled Barrel Wraps.  Make a short Henry look sorta like a Mannlicher I bet.  Lawsey Me but kan't thinking's get youz in some trouble   :o
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: Major 2 on August 27, 2019, 08:10:49 pm
Coffinmakers   Stick, Mark 1, A1
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: Major 2 on August 27, 2019, 08:16:33 pm
the Kings improvement

I suppose the wood was enviable 
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: mtmarfield on August 28, 2019, 11:20:14 am
      Greetings!

   My "5-Shot Lumberjack Special", made for benchrest. Quick and easy.

                    M.T.Marfield
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: Coffinmaker on August 28, 2019, 04:48:42 pm

Originally, one of my prime reasons for thinking up the "Stick" was to prevent magazine detonations if one were to lose control of the follower.  Actually witnessed one of those detonations that was pure frightening.  Following the incident I also got tagged to try and fix the magazine which I was able to do.  Took some serious body work.

It became even more important when I started shooting Cowboy 45 Special in my Henrys.  A 10 round stack leaves a really long drop for the follower.  Really long.  Scary long.  Glad to see MT has an appropriately long spacer for his 5 round stack.

A by product is being able to grasp the barrel further out for better balance and control.  Not that I would be one to consider that (snicker snicker)

I also found some scrap leather inna shop today I didn't know I had.  So, of course, I removed my "optional" wood fore end from my 16 inch Trapper and made a newly approved Barrel Wrap.  Pretty cool.
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: mtmarfield on August 28, 2019, 06:07:13 pm
      Greetings, Mr. C!

   Yes, this Stick keeps the follower handily 'un-handy', until one cares to reload.
Since, for now, most of my shooting is load development & PRACTICE, the 5-shot
capacity reduces the weight, as well.
   Oh, S&S has Uberti Henry Buttplates. With the Cleaning Rod Trapdoor. I ordered
one. I'll keep everyone posted...!

                     M.T.Marfield
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: mtmarfield on August 28, 2019, 06:11:55 pm
      Greetings, Mr.C!

   P.S. - I'd like to see a photo of your Leather Cover...!

                      M.T.Marfield
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: Yeso Bill on August 29, 2019, 12:12:20 am
LOL.  I saw this thread and had to reply.  I stepped out on the porch day before yesterday with the Henry and the thermometer said 108 and the usual 16% humidity.  Needless to say, I didn't shoot the gun very long.

Billy
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: Major 2 on August 29, 2019, 04:44:16 am
Posted for Coffinmaker ...Major
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: Trailrider on August 29, 2019, 11:22:40 am
LOL.  I saw this thread and had to reply.  I stepped out on the porch day before yesterday with the Henry and the thermometer said 108 and the usual 16% humidity.  Needless to say, I didn't shoot the gun very long.

Billy

But it's a dry heat!  ::)  (Cartoon shows the skeleton of a cowboy, wearing a sombrero, with a guitar, leaning back against a cactus. On the next cactus over is the SKELETON of a buzzard, looking down at the cowboy. Caption: But it's a dry heat!  ;D )
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: mtmarfield on August 29, 2019, 06:35:40 pm
      Greetings, M2!

   LOVE your early Kings loading gate!! That makes the leather Wrap convenient and viable!

             BRAVO!

                         M.T.Marfield
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: Coffinmaker on August 30, 2019, 10:51:06 am

Except .....  :(   My prototype Barrel Wrap is way too BRIGHT!!  I'm gonna stain it a darker color.  That light colour sticks out like a sore thumb.  Bright gotta go.

Thanks MT.  So Far it's being a really fun project.
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: Blair on August 30, 2019, 02:38:08 pm
CM,
 My suggestion, not that it is worth much, is to leave it alone for now.
Sun light, oils from your hands along with sweat will help to darken the leather. A good neatsfoot oil will also help darken the natural leather.
I have made leather slings for Rifle Muskets that were as pink as a babies backside when new... but are just about black now from use. It doesn't take long, and it looks better than with stain.
My best,
 Blair
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: Major 2 on August 30, 2019, 03:11:54 pm
CM,
 My suggestion, not that it is worth much, is to leave it alone for now.
Sun light, oils from your hands along with sweat will help to darken the leather. A good neatsfoot oil will also help darken the natural leather.
I have made leather slings for Rifle Muskets that were as pink as a babies backside when new... but are just about black now from use. It doesn't take long, and it looks better than with stain.
My best,
 Blair
+1 to this suggestion   
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: Coffinmaker on September 10, 2019, 11:41:09 am

 :D Latest new and Update   :D

So ..... I took the Uber long Barrel Wrap (see glossy above) off the little 16 inch Trapper.  Whacked about an inch and half off the wrap.  Then got wild hair and Used some "Dark Walnut" wood stain on the overly bright now not so long wrap.  Installed said wrap on my 24 inch standard front load Henry.  Which, is also set up to run C45S cases.  The now more woody colour wrap looks right at home on the longer barrel rifle.  Nifty even.

Then I hauled the whole shebang out for this past Saturday's match.  Shot the match clean I did.  Rifle ran like proverbial swiss watch and the Barrel Wrap worked a treat.  Never once tried to fry my hand on the hot barrel.  As an additional testimonial, one of the "others" on posse needed to clear my Henry off the stage (movement forward) and was pleasantly surprised by the Barrel Wrap.  Just don't know if I'm gonna leave it there.  Somehow I still fear rust from moisture trapped betwixt and between Wrap and Barrel.

Twaz a fun day though with folks looking at the wrap and asking if I could do that (the wrap) SASS legal.  Was also nice to grip the rifle "way" out there and grip it securely rather than gingerly (Maryann) holding the Mag Tube part.  Still ..... Fun Stuff !!
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: mtmarfield on September 11, 2019, 12:53:35 am
      Greetings, CM!

   I wonder if there's a higher temperature wax that you could smear on your
barrel assembly to insulate it from possible moisture trapped by the leather...
Car Wax?

                           M.T.Marfield
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: greyhawk on September 11, 2019, 07:15:34 pm
      Greetings, CM!

   I wonder if there's a higher temperature wax that you could smear on your
barrel assembly to insulate it from possible moisture trapped by the leather...
Car Wax?

                           M.T.Marfield

Soak that leather wrap thingy in 30 grade engine oil it will never rust yer barrel ever .
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: Major 2 on September 12, 2019, 07:33:00 am
Id be not in favor of motor oil ..it would be a mess and leach out forever

If one wanted to pursue the leather condom ....I'd offer use of  Renaissance Wax apply both to leather surface and the metal barrel ..it would be an effective barrier but would need  reapplication from time to time when the gun is cleaned   
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: greyhawk on September 12, 2019, 07:58:05 pm
Id be not in favor of motor oil ..it would be a mess and leach out forever

Major
Nope -- it aint a mess and it dont leach out at all.

I took dry bag leather (carving / embossing - whatever you guys call it) made me a crossdraw flap holster for a navy colt - soaked the holster in oil for ages then I blotted it out on old towelling to get rid of the excess - that gun has lived in that holster for twenty plus years - not a sign of rust ever and no deterioration of the leather either (surprisingly) - It would soften the leather too much for some applications

We all know the kind of chemical reactions we get with tanned leather and metal - cant keep brass ammo in a bullet belt for long at all without it going green and orrible

My suggestion was specific to the Question of Coffinmakers leather sleeve rusting his henery rifle - and I would bet it would work better for that than anything else thats been posted  -  dont diss it if ya aint tried it I reckon.
 
Cant do this with neatsfoot or other organic leather friendly oils - ya still get rust. 
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: mtmarfield on October 02, 2019, 06:12:16 pm
      Greetings, All!

   Well, my Uberti Henry is back from the Colorado School of Trades. Although I do not have
post-able photos yet, the Cleaning Rod Trap was reamed out to a depth of 7"; I had requested
a depth of 7-1/2", but the Upper Tang Screw got in the way. In spite of that, the Buffalo Arms
Late Four Piece Cleaning Rod Set ( Part #WCR04NEW ) fits just fine.
   Although the new S&S Buttplate w/ Cleaning Rod Trap ( Part # ...?... ) is a bit proud on the
heel of the plate ( I did not request of them to grind / polish the Plate ), it's a fine fit everywhere
else. The old Screw Holes were plugged, and the work is, as always, First Rate.
   As You All may know, I'm not a CAS Shooter, just a Vintage Arms Aficionado, and my Henry is
intended to be my "Vintage Camp Gun"; and, in an effort to minimise bulk, but maintain serviceability,
I demanded the traditional accessory of the Buttplate Cleaning Rod Trap, keeping my Oil Bottle,
Bore Mop and Brush elsewhere convenient. I am satisfied!
   Anyone else desiring an identical Buttplate should contact S&S promptly, as I can't imagine
them having many of these...

                   M.T.Marfield
                     10-02-19
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: nativeshootist on October 02, 2019, 11:55:42 pm
Well, I'm a definitely gonna have to wait till next week to purchase a similar buttplate. I've been wanting to put a rifle stock on my carbine mainly because I like the look of many of the original 19th century 66 carbines that have that stock on them. Makes them look cooler in my eyes
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: mtmarfield on October 03, 2019, 02:10:19 am
      Greetings, NS!

   I've seen photos of them ( Madis' book? ), and I have a fondness for crescent buttplates...
On guns that don't kick!
   Post photos! Did you swap out the rear sight yet?

               M.T.Marfield
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: nativeshootist on October 04, 2019, 12:23:02 am
My 66 carbine dont kick, least for me. I'm a pretty big Indian.
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: mtmarfield on October 04, 2019, 01:37:41 am
      Greetings, NS!

   I have a Win '76 in .45-75-350, and a Replica Win '76 in .50-95-300 that are comfortable to shoot;
I did, however, have a Replica Win "Hi-Wall" in .45-120-3.25 that was positively vicious! Our Henrys,
'66s and '73s are non-issues.
   I think that the Rifle Buttstock on a '66 Carbine would be classy, different, and authentic; you should
do it with the Cleaning Rod Trap, as well. I like the idea of always having a convenient cleaning rod for
the obvious uses, as well as knocking out possible bore obstructions. Do it!

                M.T.Marfield
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: nativeshootist on October 04, 2019, 10:24:26 am
Well mtmarfield, hopefully I'm able to get that buttplate next payday.
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: mtmarfield on October 05, 2019, 04:27:12 pm
      Greetings!

   Bravo! Keep Us posted!

            MTM
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: mtmarfield on October 21, 2019, 12:30:13 am
      Greetings!

   Here's an image of my buttstock...

                     M.T.Marfield
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: Coffinmaker on October 21, 2019, 08:28:03 am

WAY KOOL!!!  Really nice job cutting out the stock to fit the Butt Plate.  Really nice photo of yer Butt (Snicker snicker).  Often I get a question at the loading table (or unloading) of "Why does your Henry rattle."  Cleaning rod (Brass) inna Butt Stock.  Really handy it is too.  Good On Ya.
Title: Re: 'NOTHER "GUESS WHAT"
Post by: mtmarfield on October 21, 2019, 11:51:44 pm
      Greetings, CM!

   Yes, I'm very pleased with the results, and I'm a little more than goofy about
things being the way they're supposed to. Gotta be able to push a wet patch at
the end of the day, or knock out a stubborn case. I need to get to bullet casting...

                          M.T.Marfield