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Title: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: Chance on March 19, 2018, 12:18:36 pm
Does anyone use this powder for CAS loading? I'm looking for loads for .32/20, /38/40 and .44/40

Chance
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on March 20, 2018, 05:28:09 pm
I just checked their reloading pages. No listing for the classic W.C.F. cartridges?! ??? :'(

https://www.vihtavuori.com/reloading-data/cowboy-action-reloading/
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: Baltimore Ed on March 21, 2018, 12:39:40 pm
I use 9.7 gr with a 160 gr lead bullet in my Krag. A nice load that's got some juice but is easy on my steel. Can't help you with the other loads I'm afraid. Liked the Tin Star better than the fluffy donut powder whose name eludes me right now.
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: Chance on March 21, 2018, 04:53:06 pm
I just checked their reloading pages. No listing for the classic W.C.F. cartridges?! ??? :'(

https://www.vihtavuori.com/reloading-data/cowboy-action-reloading/

I checked that already and cannot understand why they make a "cowboy" powder without catering for these classic calibres.

Chance
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: treebeard on March 25, 2018, 11:00:01 am
Handloader magazine no.288 Feb/March 2014 had an article on it. Might be helpful if you can get a copy. Sometimes the publisher has back issues.
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: Cowtown on May 15, 2018, 06:56:45 am
At End of Trail several years ago I wound up with 2 lb of this powder. Never could find Reloading Data for the cartridges I wanted to reload. What am I missing? Seems like Evil Roy was the spokesperson for this stuff for some time. And they certainly have branded this powder for cowboy action shooting which one would surmise means cowboy ammo reloading...
I still have those two pounds, by the way. One of these days I'll figure it out.

 ;)
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: Johnny_Cyclone on May 15, 2018, 08:58:55 am
In the past I had trouble finding it listed as Tin Star, but found more info "here and there" through search engines by using
N32C as my search criteria. I'd try the VV alphanumeric naming of Tin Star (N32C). Just leave Tin Star off and type 44/40 N32C or 44 wcf N32C.

https://www.vihtavuori.com/powders/tis-star-powder/ (https://www.vihtavuori.com/powders/tis-star-powder/)

Yes, I also  think it's a baffoon move for them to market a "Cowboy Powder" and not have official load data for Dash cartridges. Especially when they have had over a decade to come up with some data. But... it's their house.

I haven't used any in years, probably because I'm  chea... ahem.. thrifty  ;)
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: David Battersby on May 18, 2018, 03:25:25 pm
I swear that if you took the little cylinders that are Tin Star and sliced them into little washers it would be TrailBoss.
It may not be, but it sure looks like it.
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: Coffinmaker on May 18, 2018, 03:34:32 pm
Ahem.  Not to fling disparaging connotations at Vihta whomever ..... but powder for those "classic" old "dash" calibers is simple to find. Just start with ffg or fffg.  The actual recipe is easy to find as well.

this has been one of those "public service" announcements not intended to provide an real meaningful additional information to the OP nor incite excitement over new and wonderful previously unknown data.  Therefore can and probably should be disregarded by everyone.  :o
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: Professor Marvel on May 18, 2018, 04:16:59 pm
Ahem.  Not to fling disparaging connotations at Vihta whomever ..... but powder for those "classic" old "dash" calibers is simple to find. Just start with ffg or fffg.  The actual recipe is easy to find as well.

this has been one of those "public service" announcements not intended to provide an real meaningful additional information to the OP nor incite excitement over new and wonderful previously unknown data.  Therefore can and probably should be disregarded by everyone.  :o

why, thank you coffin  ;D

yhs
prof marvel
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: treebeard on May 20, 2018, 02:38:07 pm
This thread got me curious enough to order Handloader No. 288 to see what it had to say about Tin Star. Also has articles on 45-70 which I recently started playing with.
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: Chance on May 21, 2018, 02:35:48 am
Is there any indication of how it should be used in the calibres I mentioned? If so Ill order a copy.

Chance
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: Gabriel Law on May 21, 2018, 11:50:20 am
Here's my experience...

.45 Colt...7.3 gr. Tin Star, 250 gr. RNFP lead bullet - 640 fps
              8.3 gr.       "       "                                - 842 fps  ....this in SAA 5 1/2" revolver
              8.5 gr.       "       "                                - 1033 fps  ...this in Pedersoli Colt Lightning rifle 20" bbl.

Pleasant loads to shoot.  Shoots to the sights at 25 yards.  No excess pressure signs.  With Lightning rifle, almost no blowback.
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: treebeard on May 21, 2018, 05:37:48 pm
Is there any indication of how it should be used in the calibres I mentioned? If so Ill order a copy.

Chance

I will be sure to let you know if there is data on the Winchester dash cartridges. I am also interested in the same information and it should be here in a few days as I received an email that it was shipped today.
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: treebeard on May 23, 2018, 05:30:06 pm
Is there any indication of how it should be used in the calibres I mentioned? If so Ill order a copy.

Chance

Received my copy of Handloader #288 which has an article on Tin Star by R.H. VanDenburg. He only mention 44-40 in your list as a load of 7.5 grains under a 200 grain bullet for a velocity of 793FPS out of a revolver.
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: Chance on May 24, 2018, 01:24:52 am
Thanks for that, tb.

Chance
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: Jack Straw on September 18, 2018, 04:51:09 pm
I've been experimenting with Tin Star for a few weeks now in .45 Schofield with 200 and 225 gr. bullets.

It's working nicely for me, particularly with the 225 gr. projectile.  It isn't as bulky as Trail Boss but does fill the cases to the point that the dreaded double charge is not a worry.

Load data is scarce so start low, use a chronograph, and watch carefully for excess pressure signs. :o
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: Bunk on September 18, 2018, 05:27:41 pm
Stand by for a rare Bunk rant

Or simply fill the case to the bullet (any weight) base with FFFg or FFg honest to god real black gun powder, or APP which also will work and go on your merry way.
Put chronographs on Craigslist and get back to basics.
Remember  it don't matter how fast it goes it matters where it goes. If it don't go where you aim it that load ain't worth a plugged Mexican peso
This ain't rocket science people it is hit an 18" diameter disk a few yards away or a critter at any range because you have practiced... a lot. Practice and testing is the goal of accuracy and precision..
Precision and accuracy is what we all try to acquire remember it means shooting a tight group (precision) right where you are aiming (accuracy).
Rant completed
Bunk
Gee that felt good!
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: Jack Straw on September 19, 2018, 02:43:32 pm
 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: Professor Marvel on September 19, 2018, 07:07:09 pm
Why, thank you Bunk for your heartfelt feelings
(which may not  help Chance with smokeless load data for Vihtavouri powder)
 but clearly hearkens back to the good old days  of simplicity and charcoal.   ;D

hope you feel better getting that off your chest LOL.   :)

meanwhile we bring back the thread to data for strange foreign ( possibly Finnish?) powders....  :P

yhs
prof ( its all good) marvel
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: Baltimore Ed on September 19, 2018, 09:49:27 pm
Been loading 9.7 TS in my .30-06 1903 Springfield rebuild behind 165 and 193 gr lead. Hitting my 70 yd plate without too much trouble. Still working on the old sporters remilitarization.  Eventually I’ll put it on some cardboard to see what the group really looks like.
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: G Bulldog Grainisland III on September 21, 2018, 01:11:53 am
Why, thank you Bunk for your heartfelt feelings
(which may not  help Chance with smokeless load data for Vihtavouri powder)
 but clearly hearkens back to the good old days  of simplicity and charcoal.   ;D

hope you feel better getting that off your chest LOL.   :)

meanwhile we bring back the thread to data for strange foreign ( possibly Finnish?) powders....  :P

yhs
prof ( its all good) marvel

Yup. Made in Finland, the land of heroes and gentlemen ;)

-Bulldog
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: Cowtown on February 09, 2019, 07:47:05 pm
Bringing this back around...

I've yet to exhaust my stash of Trail Boss but I am getting close. Once I do I am going to try this Tin Star I have that has been sitting patiently in my cabinet since 2011.

Can anyone comment on whether this stuff is as dirty as Trail Boss? I've found TB in 45 Colt tends to leave plenty of soot residue in the rifle. Just wondering if Tin Star is any cleaner burning?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: wool on February 10, 2019, 05:30:14 am
I find it cleaner than Trail Boss; the residues seem to corrode the brass less also.
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: Baltimore Ed on February 10, 2019, 09:30:19 am
When I had my one can of TB I was working on .30-40 rifle loads and didn’t notice how clean or dirty that it was. The Tin Star seems to be as clean as Clays. I just didn’t like the metering and how much you actually used to get 10 grs of the stuff. I’m using just about the same weight of TS which acts like normal reloading propellant.
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: PJ Hardtack on February 10, 2019, 11:27:28 am
What's a .45 Colt load with Tin Star?
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: Ruts on June 03, 2019, 06:22:36 pm
I put 7.5 gr. In 44 40 for 1050 FPS in my marlin 24 inch barrel
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: Bunk Stagnerg on June 03, 2019, 09:36:33 pm
I am not sure about loading a powder i cannot pronounce or spell really.
Having said that if it is not called FFg or FFFg I have absolutely no interest in it.
It is just another one of those fad powder that will not last. Only the one true GUN POWDER has stood the test of time.
Seen any Hivel 2  lately?
Bunk
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: Gabriel Law on June 16, 2019, 12:17:27 pm
Here's what RH VanDenburg had to say in Handloader 288...

38 spl -                   150 gr. bullet - 5.0 gr. TS -  847 fps
44-40 Winchester -  200 gr.   "      - 7.5 gr. TS -  793  "
44 Russian -            250 gr.   "      - 4.5 gr. TS -  751  "
45 Colt -                 250 gr.   "      - 8.3 gr. TS -  842  "
45-70 -                   300 gr.   "      - 16.0 gr. TS -1295 "
                              400 gr.  "       - 15.0 gr. TS - 1119 "

When I first bought Tin Star, I guessed at a load for .45 Colt, and shot 7.3 gr. TS with 200 gr. RNFP bullets out of my 5 1/2" Pietta SAA's, giving me 640 fps.  This was a very pleasant load to shoot, and shot to the revolver's sights at 25 yards.

I loaded 8.5 gr. and a 250 gr. RNFP in my Colt Lightning (Pedersoli) giving me 1033 fps and almost no blowback, and shoots to the sights at Cowboy distances.

I much prefer Tin Star to Trail Boss for shooting and reloading qualities.  Shoots cleaner, too, IIRC.
Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: PJ Hardtack on June 16, 2019, 06:37:49 pm
I was gifted with a lb. of "Tin Star" but haven't loaded any of it to date.

"Handloader" magazine recommended the following:

44-40 - 7.5 with 200 gr for 793 fps

.45 Colt - 8.3 with 250 gr for 842 fps

.38 Spl. - 5.0 with 150 gr for 847 fps

.44 Spl. - 6.3 gr with 250 for 768 fps

Looks to me like you could go a little either way just fine.


Title: Re: Vihtavuori Tin Star
Post by: Bryan Austin on August 20, 2019, 11:11:55 am
If it don't go where you aim it that load ain't worth a plugged Mexican peso

Gee that felt good!

I can live with that

I agree but if you can hit what you are aiming at and do so at original velocities.........
(https://i.imgur.com/8svUSRs.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/745JxMK.jpg)



..........."Gee that felt good"

Seriously, I have been checking in on this powder from time to time to see if they ever published a load for the 44-40. Funny thing is that they mention the 44-40 directly as one of the cartridge it was used for. https://www.vihtavuori.com/powders/tis-star-powder/

(https://i.imgur.com/rwV1yh0.png)