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Title: 1883 service (campaign) shirt
Post by: Major 2 on February 26, 2018, 09:10:36 am
primarily, the question is the weight of the fabric

I note River Junction offers 3 fabrics ( cotton , cotton flannel ( I believe )  and wool....

I purchased the wool and got a very nice product in light(med) 8oz/yd weave ....

I also have a 10-11.9 oz/yd² shirt .... This not quite a heavy a the CW/Indian war Sack coats....

Both shirts are very well made, but was there a weight fabric regulation ?
Title: Re: 1883 service (campaign) shirt
Post by: cpt dan blodgett on March 06, 2018, 07:28:24 pm
no clue but just got some wm draper wool flannel 11.5 oz in navy blue a good friend will sew 2 shirts for me one with pocket flips ala rough riders and one without
Title: Re: 1883 service (campaign) shirt
Post by: Pitspitr on March 07, 2018, 04:48:51 am
primarily, the question is the weight of the fabric ... but was there a weight fabric regulation ?
Yes,
"Specifications for Dark-blue Wool Shirting and Cape Lining Flannel

     To be fifty-four (54) inches, or 6/4 wide and to be made of pure long-staple American fleece wool, not less than one-half blood, free from shoddy, flocks, or other impurities, and to weigh not less than ten (10) ounces to the linear yard.
     To be twilled and the nap very lightly slightly raised; to contain not less than fifty-six (56) threads of warp and fourty-eight (48) threads of filling in each square inch, and to be capable of sustaining a strain of not less than twenty-six (26) pounds to the inch in width of filling, tested in the piece.
     The colors to be dark-blue...of the standard shades, and to be dyed with fast colors. The blue to be dyed in the wool with pure indigo.

     Adopted June 10 1889..."
Title: Re: 1883 service (campaign) shirt
Post by: cpt dan blodgett on March 07, 2018, 05:03:16 am
How cool is that, perhaps I should get some more of the fabric to line the cape of my surtout
Title: Re: 1883 service (campaign) shirt
Post by: Pitspitr on March 07, 2018, 06:14:07 am
How cool is that, perhaps I should get some more of the fabric to line the cape of my surtout
Help me remember, is your great coat the infantry version? If so the blue would be correct as long as it isn't the CW model (their capes were unlined), but I omitted the line about the other colors for other branches. Do you need me to post that line as well?
Title: Re: 1883 service (campaign) shirt
Post by: Major 2 on March 07, 2018, 10:42:17 am
"...to weigh not less than ten (10) ounces to the linear yard"

very cool....well not really  :-\ come to think of it


So the heaver weight shirt is right ..and the 8 oz will be comfortable in warmer months
Title: Re: 1883 service (campaign) shirt
Post by: Pitspitr on March 07, 2018, 10:54:19 am
I have the River Junction shirt too and it is very comfortable. The weave is nice and soft.

I also have a 100% correct M-1874 grey shirt. (off the top of my head I don't recall the manufacturer) It's material is quite a bit heavier and coarser. I would be willing to guess that it's weave is closer to the correct weave for the later dark-blue shirts as well
Title: Re: 1883 service (campaign) shirt
Post by: cpt dan blodgett on March 10, 2018, 08:43:48 pm
I thought I had the lady make it like the 1872 coat but is actually a double breasted cw cavalry coat in Dark Blue with 2 row captain sleeve knots.  Probably should leave it unlined or put on a whole lot more buttons
Title: Re: 1883 service (campaign) shirt
Post by: 1961MJS on March 10, 2018, 09:02:50 pm
Hi

I have a Civil War era Navy Blue Wool Shirt with two pockets, a WPG 1883 Service Shirt in Wool and a Coon Creek Old West Cotton Service Shirt.  I plan on getting a second blue shirt from Coon Creek and one or two of the Punitive Expedition era shirts from them as well.  The wool was really great for the 2017 Muster though, windy on top of a Nebraska hill ain't exactly the South Pacific. 

Later

Title: Re: 1883 service (campaign) shirt
Post by: Niederlander on March 12, 2018, 04:01:25 pm
Has anyone here bought the shirt from What Price Glory?  If so, what are your thoughts?  (I would consider it over River Junction just because they have it in stock.  River Junction says four to six weeks.)
Title: Re: 1883 service (campaign) shirt
Post by: 1961MJS on March 12, 2018, 06:10:27 pm
Hi

I wore the WPG wool shirt at the 2017 Muster.  It's warm, held up, and was a true size 48.  I wear a 17.5x35 shirt and it fit.

Later
Title: Re: 1883 service (campaign) shirt
Post by: Niederlander on March 12, 2018, 06:20:00 pm
How was the weight of the wool?  Is it shirting fabric, or is it more like the coat fabric? 
Title: Re: 1883 service (campaign) shirt
Post by: 1961MJS on March 12, 2018, 11:50:37 pm
I'm not sure I've handled shirting fabric, but it's lighter than the Union Sack coat I have, lighter than the old Rebel shell jacket I have.  I think it's like the two CD Jarnigan shirts I have, but its been a while.  I've considered getting a Cavalry 1882 from WPG, but don't need another wool shirt. 

Later
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