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Special Interests - Groups & Societies => STORM => Topic started by: murbas on December 27, 2017, 08:16:08 PM
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does anyone know when the new cimarron pocket open top conversion will be available?
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Somewhere Over the Rainbow ... Way ...... :o
OOPS. Wrong Song. ::)
NO!! 8)
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according to an email when i asked cimarron, 1st quarter this year. but take that with a grain of salt.
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Where is, Abilene ?
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Where is, Abilene ?
Hey, I don't know either. :)
I know they have 100 on order.
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Hey, I don't know either. :)
I know they have 100 on order.
See ya at WR in a few months, Pard.
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And just how period correct is a .380 ACP Open Top?
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And just how period correct is a .380 ACP Open Top?
As correct as a 45 Colt Open Top :)
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See ya at WR in a few months, Pard.
Yeah Lefty, hope so. But they don't need me at Shot Show this year so not sure if they will need me at WR either. We'll see.
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And just how period correct is a .380 ACP Open Top?
Just re-name it to ".38 Short Colt Rimless".
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Here's part of an email that came from Cimarron today:
Last year we were excited to give you a sneak peek of our new 1862 Police Pocket Conversion in .380ACP. Well, after a year of hard work are now in the final process of getting the approval from the ATF. As long as there are no more surprises, we will be officially releasing the 1862 Police Pocket Conversion early in 2018. The 5 shot Colt Pocket Navy conversion comes equipped with the new patented automatic safety. This safety is built into the inside of the hammer, it is not detectable when gun is assembled and does not detract from the little guns authentic appearance or operation.
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I am still trying to figure out what purpose it is supposed to serve. A five shot pocket model would not be a legal main match revolver. A large single action pocket pistol would have zero chance of winning a pocket pistol side match. Pluss it has no loading gate to hold in the cartridges if it is pointed uphill. It is kind of neat looking but I don't know what I would do with one other than play with it for an afternoon and then put it in the safe.
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I am still trying to figure out what purpose it is supposed to serve....
Well, I would say it is not aimed at CAS, which is a significant market but not the majority of of Cimarron's sales.
I'm still waiting for the Remington pocket pistol in .22LR that Cimarron has been talking to Pietta about for 3 or 4 years.
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I am still trying to figure out what purpose it is supposed to serve. A five shot pocket model would not be a legal main match revolver. A large single action pocket pistol would have zero chance of winning a pocket pistol side match. Pluss it has no loading gate to hold in the cartridges if it is pointed uphill. It is kind of neat looking but I don't know what I would do with one other than play with it for an afternoon and then put it in the safe.
Sorta answered the question when you say
" It is kind of neat looking but I don't know what I would do with one other than play with it for an afternoon and then put it in the safe."
So the purpose, buy it on a whim, and add Profit to Beretta's bottom line .
We've all been there done that ;D
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Since the letter from Mike Harvey mentions the safety hammer, I guess that probably answers a question some of us may have had, which is whether or not the OT's and conversions would be getting a version of the new safety firing pin system. Sounds like maybe they will. There are some reports of that new system not working 100% on Uberti SAA's when shot very fast like happens in CAS.
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Sorta answered the question when you say
" It is kind of neat looking but I don't know what I would do with one other than play with it for an afternoon and then put it in the safe."
So the purpose, buy it on a whim, and add Profit to Beretta's bottom line .
We've all been there done that ;D
I have literally done this with several guns. Bought a gun and "played" with it all afternoon and then put it in the safe. Many have never been fired. Trying desparately to stop doing this and use the money for vacation trips.
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I have literally done this with several guns. Bought a gun and "played" with it all afternoon and then put it in the safe. Many have never been fired. Trying desparately to stop doing this and use the money for vacation trips.
Trying desparately to stop doing this and use the money for vacation trips.
Yeah...good luck with that :)
Bought a gun and "played" with it all afternoon and then put it in the safe
Yep ! its a curse , malady syndrome hobby , yeah a hobby , I'll go with hobby !
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I've rarely neede a "purpose" for a new gun...
CC Griff
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I'm quite certain mine will see more use than my 1849 percussion gun. ::)
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And just how period correct is a .380 ACP Open Top?
How period correct is a 44 caliber 1851 Navy ?
Its more about the convenience of a caliber and the illusion of reality
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While i have no opinion on the subject, i think pards are gonna conceal carry them. I think thats why they choose 380 too.
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If one plans to carry a .380 for self defense @ $450 + for this piece , then there are scads of better CCW choices.
Buy it for a whim , a lark or just for fun, but for CCW ....NO !
Well ....the Ad mans old adage...
" Nothing is better than ( whatever the products is ) ( for its intended purpose ) yada yada "
In the .380 ACP Open Top case they'd be about dead right, if purchased for Conceal carry.
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PLUS ONE to Pettifogger (Mouse Safari)
PLUS ONE to Major 2 (Addiction more like it)
PLUS ONE to Coffinmaker (Remove phrase "Period Correct) from the Lexicon)
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It looks neat, it comes in a common caliber but honestly I'm not sure I see the point if it's not suited to competition.
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Just more money wasted by Uberti that would have been better served by making a S&W American clone. ::) :'(
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Would love to see an American clone, myself! One of the most common cartridge guns on the frontier in the early '70's. (At least according to the photographs.)
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Im on the camp of i want one of these conversions. All the waiting is making me impatient, like a kid on christmas.
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Im on the camp of i want one of these conversions. All the waiting is making me impatient, like a kid on christmas.
I understand that feeling....been there :)
I recall maybe 30 years ago, Navy Arms " sent out the pre-invitation for what was to be the intro of the LaMat revolvers....
price then was $350 ... $100 got you on the list and $250 when the gun were to be completed then shipped.
If I recall, it was about a year. I had sent my $100 each and impatiently waited for their arrival.
I did the same "2007" waiting on my Type II conversion and again in "2016" with my preorder of the Capt. Schaefer 51 Navy.
patient's is not no of my strong suit's .... fortunately, I've only gone through the "WAIT" every 10 years or so ::)
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I understand that feeling....been there :)
I recall maybe 30 years ago, Navy Arms " sent out the pre-invitation for what was to be the intro of the LaMat revolvers....
price then was $350 ... $100 got you on the list and $250 when the gun were to be completed then shipped.
If I recall, it was about a year...
I remember reading in '94 the article on the new to come Navy Arms Schofield revolver and man did that start a fire burning for many!! The only thing that equaled or bettered it was Cimarron's intro at the '99 SHOT Show of the '72 OT.
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Getting closer to spring and still no word on the conversion, this waiting is killer. be sweet once they get here.
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I am afraid Uberti is worried that gearing up for Americans is not going to generate enough sales to justify the cost. I have a brother who is also waiting on the little 380 and he isn’t a CAS guy just loves old revolvers. I bet the initial sales are excellent.
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This is the first time im really anxious for a pistol, AGHHH! The revolver looks so damn awesome, this waiting period is killer.
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Whom ever coined the phrase "Patience is a Virtue" never had a fully loaded Henry in his/her hands. Personally, I have all the patience of a wet snake just hosed out of it's hole :o
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I asked cimarron (again), and they said the fall.................the waiting is annoying
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The first big holdup was that the gun did not pass BATFE testing for a new import. Not sure why. Joe from Cimarron told me this weekend that the gun has now gotten BATFE approval, but only with a 6" barrel. Again, don't know why. I think shorter barrels will be available for purchase. So they are getting closer, maybe another couple months.
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Thanks for the update Abilene! i wonder why it didn't pass inspection.
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6" barrel, that's interesting. I hope it will be a stock looking Police barrel with the loading lever, I know the lever would have no use but the '62 Police is the best looking Colt ever. Thanks for the update.
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HA!! No Way. The best looking Colt(s) ever were/are the Type 1 Cartridge conversions and the 1851 Capt Schaeffer. And ....... ta da, just think, with additional barrels available for this pocket conversion thing, you'll have the pleasure of fixing the Barrel to Arbor fit on lots of barrels. Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
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The type one is good looking but apparently you have never seen an 1862 Police ;) ;D
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Ah well, not so Tornado. In fact just finished repairing and setting up an 1862 (Uberti) for a friend. I found it to be a very nice looking gun. Almost totally impractical. It's small size was, in it's day a great "pocket pistol" for urban Police Forces. Completely uncomfortable to shoot more than a round or two. My appreciation however, is tainted by usability. I also absolutely love the look of the Square Back, Dragoon style trigger guards. Shooting one on a Navy however, is quite painful.
PS: Actually, I tend to think of the small frame guns, as the 1862, 1849, etc., more as "Cute" rather than "beautiful." Just my take.
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When Navy Arms announced pre-order on the Schofields, I ordered one in 44-40. I waited something like 10-11 months, not quite a year. Loved that gun. For about 8 years, that was my main match pistol paired with an 1875 44-40 Remmie and a 44-40 Henry.
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Any updates on this phantom revolver? ???
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I emailed Cimarron and they said December or January. ::)
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Ah, I notice they didn't tell you a year... ;D
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Just 60 more days....heard that before and before and before....Ad nauseam
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Whilst I actually think this new rumor'd offering from Cimarron/Uberti could be "kind" of interesting. When I first saw Shot Show film of it, I asked myself, waddia do wid it?? Couldn't think of anything I'd use it for. That makes it a dust collector. In that vein, I see the little jewel as having a very limited market. Perhaps not enough market to amortize it's tooling. I may well be surprised though.
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Whilst I actually think this new rumor'd offering from Cimarron/Uberti could be "kind" of interesting. When I first saw Shot Show film of it, I asked myself, waddia do wid it?? Couldn't think of anything I'd use it for. That makes it a dust collector. In that vein, I see the little jewel as having a very limited market. Perhaps not enough market to amortize it's tooling. I may well be surprised though.
My thought too. I get the idea of chambering for a cartridge that can be readily purchased anywhere, but frankly if I were to get one I'd re-chamber it for .38 S&W and just load .357" bullets.
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I'm going to guess that they picked 380 because it is a rimless case. I bet the large rims of the 38s&w would overlap each other.
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I'm going to guess that they picked 380 because it is a rimless case. I bet the large rims of the 38s&w would overlap each other.
It's possible, but .38 Colt Short fit...
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anyone notice that the pistol is completely gone from cimarron's website
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Well that was fun anyway. Maybe they'll try again in a few years, hopefully in 38colt...
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Since ya won't look good in "Dead Blue," don't hold yer Breath ::)
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I'm going to guess that they picked 380 because it is a rimless case. I bet the large rims of the 38s&w would overlap each other.
Possibly so. But is seems to me that the .380 would be a little "intense" for an open top that small. The standard pressure for the .380 is quite a bit higher than for the .38sp, and maybe higher than +P. I think it's around 20-21,000. Maybe they planned on scaling the whole thing up a little?
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I redact my last post, its back up on Cimarrons website
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Just more money wasted by Uberti that would have been better served by making a S&W American clone. ::) :'(
That Cimarron S&W American clone is on the way - probably about a year out.