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Title: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Virginia Gentleman on January 31, 2017, 06:16:18 pm
Does anyone have one and have any thoughts about how it works and shoots?
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: JohnsonBarr on February 01, 2017, 12:41:51 pm
Are you referring to the now discontinued Berretta Stampede made by Uberti? If so I would stray away from that particular model. They were fraught with problems and repair parts are nearly impossible to obtain.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Abilene on February 01, 2017, 04:10:46 pm
I think he is talking about the new Uberti hammer with a firing pin that will slide back into the hammer when pushed (by your finger when it is at full cock or by a primer if the hammer is down on a live round), unless the trigger is pulled.

I think Uberti is calling this the Cattleman 2 (or II ? ).  Word is they will coerce the importers to sell this one by refusing to pay the liability insurance that they formerly paid on the standard Cattleman.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coffinmaker on February 02, 2017, 02:44:23 pm
Abilene!!

Say it isn't so!!  PLEASE!!  That is just SO INSANE!!  Also STUPID.  And DUMB!!  Have Uberti lost their collective minds??

Coffinmaker
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Jake C on February 02, 2017, 03:37:56 pm

I think Uberti is calling this the Cattleman 2 (or II ? ).  Word is they will coerce the importers to sell this one by refusing to pay the liability insurance that they formerly paid on the standard Cattleman.

Ugh, I sure hope that isn't the case. I love the simplicity of the Colt SAA, and Uberti's repro's by extension.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coal Creek Griff on February 02, 2017, 04:00:32 pm
At least the threat of these firing pins caused my lovely bride to tell me to go immediately to my local gun store and buy a new revolver last year.  I would have a very hard time deciding to buy a revolver that had one of those.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecOGRmMtFow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecOGRmMtFow)

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,56862.0.html (http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,56862.0.html)

CC Griff
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Pettifogger on February 03, 2017, 10:13:35 am
Unfortunately liability concerns are the way of the world and an industry here in the good old U.S.  People will say they like simplicity and rail against manufacturers that have installed transfer bars, etc.  However, when those same people have an accident it is SOMEONE else's fault no matter what or who caused the accident.  If someone gets hurt your best buddy will sue you as quickly as a total stranger.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Virginia Gentleman on February 03, 2017, 01:11:46 pm
Cosmetically, it looks better than the current hammer block that most imports have.  Liability, we can all thank the PC snowflakes and the ambulance chasing lawyers for it.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Scattered Thumbs on February 03, 2017, 04:22:51 pm
Cosmetically, it looks better than the current hammer block that most imports have.  Liability, we can all thank the PC snowflakes and the ambulance chasing lawyers for it.

And who knows? It might even work.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: vietvet1968 on July 07, 2017, 12:08:50 am
I just mistakenly bought one thinking the gun had 4 clicks , bought it sight unseen which was a big mistake then worked the action and feel and hear 3 clicks . They don't have the safety notch and I really don't like the way it feels at all. In fact I'm trying to find out if I can put in the old style hammer and correct this problem . Anyone know if this can be done?
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Ben Beam on July 07, 2017, 12:25:05 pm
I have one. Shoots beautifully, never had a problem with it.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coffinmaker on July 07, 2017, 03:23:46 pm
Not ME!!

I shoot Cap Guns.  Don't need no stinking Firing Pins   ;D

Coffinmaker
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Capt Quirk on July 07, 2017, 06:03:16 pm
At least the threat of these firing pins caused my lovely bride to tell me to go immediately to my local gun store and buy a new revolver last year.  I would have a very hard time deciding to buy a revolver that had one of those.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecOGRmMtFow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecOGRmMtFow)

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,56862.0.html (http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,56862.0.html)

CC Griff
That is bloody GENIUS! Why didn't I think of it?
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: RRio on May 11, 2019, 11:10:57 am
I have one. Shoots beautifully, never had a problem with it.

I have one also. Did an action job on it, and you wouldn't know that has that improved system if I didn't tell you. Every bit as smooth and light as one of my older guns.  ;)
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coffinmaker on May 12, 2019, 11:39:30 am

First.  A CAVEAT:  I don't own one.  I haven't own'd one.  I won't own one.  It isn't that the funky stupid miserable retracting Firing Pin Can't/Doesen't/Won''t work.  It does.  I just don't like Uberti .... Remember???

I have now had the opportunity to fondle a couple of them.  They ran fine.  Took em apart and looked at all the extra parts and found nothing amiss.  I wouldn't want to let em get gummy from unsanitary bathing habits.  Other than a Funky Stupid Miserable retracting firing pin, they be fine.  The retracting firing pin, is in answer to a question none of us ever asked.  STUPID. 
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Dave T on May 12, 2019, 03:19:59 pm
Coffin,

They took a lesson from Smith & Wesson's fine example of how to alienate a large segment of your customer base.

Dave
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: RRio on May 12, 2019, 07:05:34 pm
First.  A CAVEAT:  I don't own one.  I haven't own'd one.  I won't own one.  It isn't that the funky stupid miserable retracting Firing Pin Can't/Doesen't/Won''t work.  It does.  I just don't like Uberti .... Remember???

I have now had the opportunity to fondle a couple of them.  They ran fine.  Took em apart and looked at all the extra parts and found nothing amiss.  I wouldn't want to let em get gummy from unsanitary bathing habits.  Other than a Funky Stupid Miserable retracting firing pin, they be fine.  The retracting firing pin, is in answer to a question none of us ever asked.  STUPID.

All very well and fine that you don'r like Uberti, but why then, do you want to waste time responding on a "Uberti" thread??   ???
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coffinmaker on May 13, 2019, 08:10:21 am
BECAUSE!!  Sumthin to do   :o

Oh yea, and I had a minor amount of pertinent input.

FORGOT:  And because the forums' have been really really QUIET lately.  Needed a little stirring.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Jeremiah Jones on May 13, 2019, 02:04:04 pm
I don't have one, but, is it possible to make it non-retractable, with some JB Weld? 
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: RRio on May 13, 2019, 04:14:47 pm
I don't have one, but, is it possible to make it non-retractable, with some JB Weld?


ALL things are possible with JB Weld.     ;D

 You would have to take the rod out of the hammer, remove the firing pin, and fill the channel with enough JBW to hold the pin in the proper place. Still only gonna be 3 clicks. Best metod is to replace the hammer and trigger.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Major 2 on May 13, 2019, 04:46:40 pm
here is a concept  :)  buy a pre floating firing pin gun....
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: 45 Dragoon on May 13, 2019, 06:27:09 pm
I had one in the shop and made some drop in "safety deletes" for them.  Just remove the pin that holds the spring and plunger in the hammer, remove the spring and plunger, drop in the S.D. and replace the pin to keep it in place. Much cleaner and faster than JB.  It allows you to re-install the safety device if you ever want to sell it or carry it with 6.

Mike
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Cliff Fendley on May 13, 2019, 10:06:11 pm
here is a concept  :)  buy a pre floating firing pin gun....

Yep
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coffinmaker on May 14, 2019, 09:22:13 am

PLUS ONE to Major 2 and Cliff Fendley

PLUS .... Bear in mind ..... Pietta don't have those Funky Suck Butt floating Firing Pins.  Yes, I know, Pietta do make an SA with a Transfer Bar.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: 45 Dragoon on May 14, 2019, 09:53:11 am
Um .  .  .  .  foul!!

Mr. CM, you don't like Ubert's anyway!! Lol. So, just a waste of electrons!!

At least it ain't quiet anymore!!   ;D

Mike

At least I gave a solution that only requires local anesthesia! No mixing, no cure time, totally reversible .  .  .
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Hillbilly Drifter on May 14, 2019, 05:03:00 pm
I have had a couple and used them for a season. They ran just fine. Sure were not very popular when I went to sell them though.....
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Virginia Gentleman on June 23, 2019, 08:16:38 pm
I have one now from Taylors and Company an engraved white polished metal.  Other than the 3 clicks it seems the same.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: major on June 23, 2019, 08:45:53 pm
I have several single action revolvers with the floating pin and they all work great. ;D
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Professor Marvel on June 24, 2019, 03:11:02 am
I am gratified to hear that

a) they work
2) they can be easily defeated ... thanks Goon!
III) they are pretty.... and work!

penultimatley, they also generate conversation!

prof marvl

Um .  .  .  .  foul!!

Mr. CM, you don't like Ubert's anyway!! Lol. So, just a waste of electrons!!

At least it ain't quiet anymore!!   ;D

Mike

At least I gave a solution that only requires local anesthesia! No mixing, no cure time, totally reversible .  .  .
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: 45 Dragoon on June 24, 2019, 06:51:04 am
Thanks Perfesser!!
  And on second thought, because of the "conversation generation" of the particular subject, I reckon it wasn't a waste of electrons after ALL!!  My apologies Mr. CM !!

Mike
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coffinmaker on June 24, 2019, 08:51:24 am

HA  ;D   So There   8)
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Virginia Gentleman on July 04, 2019, 03:10:04 pm
Since they work and are safer, is the real objection over the fact that the 4 clicks are missing?
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Professor Marvel on July 04, 2019, 11:26:57 pm
Since they work and are safer, is the real objection over the fact that the 4 clicks are missing?

I believe, but cannot prove, that the objections are a mix of
?OMG you changed something?
Increased complexity
?It is no longer the 1873 that I know and love?

Yhs
Prof Marvel
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coffinmaker on July 05, 2019, 12:50:27 pm

I personally don't like either the idea nor the execution.  Must understand though, Ideas give me headaches and I have never been comfortable around executioners.  Makes me some nervous.

This contraption is simply a solution in desperate search of a problem.  The only driving force I can think of, beyond the lawyers, was/is to make the gun "look" more like a traditional Colt.  I don't see that as a necessity from a personal standpoint.  I'm happy with "Fine from the Freeway" and am not a fan of fixing something that isn't broken or not in need of improvement.

Seems, I am also in full agreement with The Professor of Marvelous fame.  The objections seem to be driven by "OMG ..... YOU'VE CHANGED SOMETHING." and of course "It's no longer MY Colt Clone" without consideration, never was a clone .... was a Replicant.  Heck, a 3rd generation Colt isn't a good clone.  It's also a pretty poor Replicant.  Oh, and the new gizmo is an increase in complexity.  That alone (complexity) will really start conversation.

If you really want to checkout the hand wringing and wailing into the Night, just wait until the "Retro Fit" parts are no longer available.  Uberti has a habit of not supporting previous manufacture when an "Enhancement" is made.  Soon, if you break one of the "older" pattern guns, you will have to buy a complete "kit" inclusive of the "new" hammer, pushrod, trigger, firing pin and other assorted hardware for your repair.  Most similar to what must be procured for their Toggle Link rifles.  Be fun to watch.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: LonesomePigeon on July 16, 2019, 10:51:57 pm
I wonder if Standard Mfg. might sell hammers & triggers eventually? If Standard is based on the USFA and the USFA was based on Uberti it might not be too difficult to fit a Standard parts into a new Uberti.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Speedballalice on July 25, 2019, 01:24:46 pm
I have handled two over the course of the last year in the local gunshop and neither went to full cock reliably. Dont know if it was a fluke or just me.
 
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: yahoody on September 12, 2019, 10:17:15 pm
I have a few of them..3 or 4 at least may be 5.

I didn't like the extra trigger weight or the feel.  Just me but wasn't happy with  them so I bought 4 click hammers and triggers from Cimarron and they were all dropped in and better feeling triggers IMO.   Timing was still spot on.  CNC machining and engineering at its best  ;D   Close to $80 my dealer cost per gun upgrade.

Solved the liability issue but didn't improve the SAA design in any way I can see.   Nothing wrong with simple in a firearm.

USFA hammer won't fit a Uberti.  They will some times fit a 1st or 2nd Gen Colt.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Rye Miles on September 20, 2019, 07:45:53 am
I had one and didn't know what it was until I got it! It worked fine, I shot about 200 rounds from it. I gave it to my son because he wanted one for his house. I figured it would be hard to sell so he's got it now. :-X
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Major 2 on September 20, 2019, 08:44:22 am
If I had one Id leave it be ....un -defeated

but then again, I would not get one....
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: chucksolo1 on November 23, 2019, 04:10:47 pm
To me it is NOT about safety since I think the ultimate safety will always be between your ears! It is all about AUTHENTICITY. That is why I refuse to buy any SAA that has a safety device. Heck, I bristle when someone calls a Ruger Vaquero a Colt SAA clone. I researched quite a bit and called Cimarron AND EMF before I settled on my EMF-Pietta Deluxe Californian .357. Uberti makes a non retractable firing pin model in the Colt BP frame called a pre-war model Frontier, I didn't go for that one because it has a huge cylinder pin screw that IMO detracts from the classic look of the gun. I'm very happy with my EMF-Pietta SAA; it is a very gorgeous piece and the checkered grips feel fantastic.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coffinmaker on November 23, 2019, 04:26:33 pm
Chucksolo   ;D

I have a surprise for ya.  That "HUGE" cylinder base pin screw you see in some of the photographs, is no more than an assembly and set-up screw.  Included in the box, usually stuck thru some unobtrusive section of cardboard, or in an itty bitty plastic baggie, is the size appropriate screw that fits into the initial frame hole.  However:

The Pietta is a better deal.

Rest assured though.  I personally think the "retracting" firing pin is some swell kind of STUPID.  Not that I'm at all Opinionated.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: chucksolo1 on November 23, 2019, 05:26:10 pm
Thanks Coffinmaker, that's good to know. I may just check that one ot again and get it if they have one in .44-40!
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Abilene on November 23, 2019, 06:10:02 pm
ChuckSolo1, fyi Cimarron has the 44-40 in the Uberti Old Model frame with standard firing pin in all barrel lengths in stock, but they are currently out of the Frontier (Pietta) Old Model in 44-40.  And both the Pietta and Uberti Old Models (BP frame) have the knurled thumbscrew installed from the factory with the small authentic screw in the box.  That thumbscrew, along with the two-position basepin, satisfies the import requirement to be able to make the gun safe without any tools.

Also, to correct you on the model designation.  I'm not sure where you saw the Frontier "Pre-War" model had the BP frame.  That was a mistake, even if you saw it that way (Cimarron website has errors here and there).  The "BP Frame" models with the base pin screw in the front of the frame are called "Old Model" by Cimarron regardless of Pietta or Uberti.  Likewise, models from both are called "Pre-War" that have the transverse spring loaded latch for the base pin.  I wouldn't want you to ask for the wrong thing and get what you don't want.  :) 
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: RUSS123 on December 28, 2019, 04:25:37 pm
I bought a Pietta Frontier Stainless with a 7.5" barrel last Spring. It doesn't have a hammer safety. It does however, have the Ruger style hand spring, which I'm glad about. I bought it new from Cimerron. It's my best shooter and well made. By the way, I'm new here and this is my first post.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: TinMan2 on February 12, 2020, 01:04:16 pm
OK I'm late to the table..............I was at a gun show in Charleston SC last Nov.  There on one table was a Cattleman II Stoeger import in 45 Colt.  Short barrel, color cased(beautiful blues), steel grip frame.  It had the internal retractable firing pin but they let me play with it and honestly it was slick.  I bought it.  I've shot it a lot with my handloads and it smacks the hard primers just fine.  Not one bit of trouble and everyone at the range didn't notice the lack of the first tiny click and thought it was a conventional firing pin setup.  I had to show them how it worked.  Everyone thought that that was a good invisible way of making it safe to carry 6 rounds in the field.  A five year warranty from Stoeger too!  I'm sure you 4 click guys that own Uberti's know that they all now come with coil spring hands?  Are you folks going to change that back to a flat hand spring ::)?
 I'm going to replace the flat trigger bolt spring with a wire one when and IF the flat one breaks.  Basicly I have a SAA that I can carry safely with 6 rounds and not worry about breaking a hand or trigger/bolt spring. It will replace my Ruger Blackhawk for carry in camp and the swamp.  Everyone fights change, do you drive a car/truck with a carburetor or the new fangled fuel injection?  Same thing, need to accept something that works better and you can't see or have to think about.  I like safer and more reliable along with good looks.  Just my $.02 and my opinion.   
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Professor Marvel on February 12, 2020, 09:46:19 pm
Greetings TinMan2 

glad to hear you like yours, even gladder to hear it has no problems!

......  I'm sure you 4 click guys that own Uberti's know that they all now come with coil spring hands? 
.......Are you folks going to change that back to a flat hand spring ::)?
.... Everyone fights change, do you drive a car/truck with a carburetor or the new fangled fuel injection?

We have a wonderful diversity of opinions here, and it literally goes to show that "It Depends" (tm)

some folks want an SAA as a completely modern tool, tank-tough and virtually unbreakable. For that we have Rugers

some folks want the traditional look & feel of the Model P but with modern guts. For that we are getting wonderful stuff mainly from Italy.

some folks want want a 1873 Model P EXACTLY  as originally built, and it's ok if it uses modern steels, but by golly, leave the design the hell alone!

ain't choice grand?

yhs
prof marvel
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: yahoody on February 12, 2020, 10:29:49 pm
"Same thing, need to accept something that works better and you can't see or have to think about. "


if only any one of those things mentioned were that were true....but it aint  ::)

No disrepect intended.  New by Uberti in this case doesn't work better from my experience. I can see it, and since it doesn't work 100% in my hands I think about (if I still owned one) a gun that  doesn't work 100%. :o

 ;D
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: RUSS123 on February 13, 2020, 07:27:30 pm
Greetings TinMan2 

glad to hear you like yours, even gladder to hear it has no problems!

We have a wonderful diversity of opinions here, and it literally goes to show that "It Depends" (tm)

some folks want an SAA as a completely modern tool, tank-tough and virtually unbreakable. For that we have Rugers

some folks want the traditional look & feel of the Model P but with modern guts. For that we are getting wonderful stuff mainly from Italy.

some folks want want a 1873 Model P EXACTLY  as originally built, and it's ok if it uses modern steels, but by golly, leave the design the hell alone!

ain't choice grand?

yhs
prof marvel

I don't know how it came to being... but my Pietta Frontier Stainless has a 4 click hammer and employs the safety on the base pin by that second notch, which I certainly don't use. My Pietta has the Ruger style coil handspring which is the single most important upgrade to me. The rest of the leaf springs are fine, easy to replace should they break.

My Uberti 1872 Open Top has the "turn screw" style hammer block safety but just a 3 clicker.  I say: What's the point? Why not keep to a 4 click hammer anyway which keeps to the original safety in addition to the hammer block. It would have made a lot of people happy. When you think about it, removing the first position hammer safety only made it less safe because nobody is going to fool with the safety on the hammer just like nobody is going to use that extra notch on a base pin. There is no reason not have kept the 4 click hammer.

Ruger's ridiculousness: Even with the transfer bar safety, Ruger employs an additional safety with the Gate whereby, you can't open the gate when the hammer is cocked and likewise, you can't pull back on the hammer when the gate is open. My question to Ruger is: Why? It doesn't do a single thing for safety. You can't do better than a transfer bar for safety so the Gate safety is pointless. A Ruger can be converted a 4 clicker, eliminating the Gate safety as well.

The transfer bar safety is nothing new by the way. It was first employed on a Top Break revolver made by the Iver Johnson and Cycle Works Co, founded in 1883, Fitchburg, Massachusetts. A friend of mine has one that was long handed down to him by his Father's Grandfather, who acquired it as payment in place of money owed.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: medic15al on June 11, 2020, 12:47:43 pm
My Pietta 7 1/2in Old Model I got from Cimarron as the Frontier Old Model Came with only the thumbscrew, I had to call Cimarron for the proper flush mount Base Pin screw.

4 click fixed firing pin on hammer and coil Handspring. Butter soft screws with the Bottom backstrap screw refusing to budge and
smudging on attempt..

I love this one. My Old Model P Uberti from Cimarron in Charcoal Blue is solid, came with both styles of base pin screws.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: dangt on June 30, 2020, 07:53:30 am
I just took my "floating firing pin" Cattleman II out to shoot for the first time last week.  Absolutely no ignition failures. I had recently come back to this type of firearm after several decades of shooting only double action S&Ws. In the distant past I had owned Colt, Ruger, and Uberti SAAs.

What really bothers me tremendously about the floating firing pin system is the altered shape of the trigger.  It has far more curvature ( looks wrong) and to me feels odd to my trigger finger.