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Title: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Virginia Gentleman on January 31, 2017, 06:16:18 pm
Does anyone have one and have any thoughts about how it works and shoots?
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: JohnsonBarr on February 01, 2017, 12:41:51 pm
Are you referring to the now discontinued Berretta Stampede made by Uberti? If so I would stray away from that particular model. They were fraught with problems and repair parts are nearly impossible to obtain.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Abilene on February 01, 2017, 04:10:46 pm
I think he is talking about the new Uberti hammer with a firing pin that will slide back into the hammer when pushed (by your finger when it is at full cock or by a primer if the hammer is down on a live round), unless the trigger is pulled.

I think Uberti is calling this the Cattleman 2 (or II ? ).  Word is they will coerce the importers to sell this one by refusing to pay the liability insurance that they formerly paid on the standard Cattleman.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coffinmaker on February 02, 2017, 02:44:23 pm
Abilene!!

Say it isn't so!!  PLEASE!!  That is just SO INSANE!!  Also STUPID.  And DUMB!!  Have Uberti lost their collective minds??

Coffinmaker
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Jake C on February 02, 2017, 03:37:56 pm

I think Uberti is calling this the Cattleman 2 (or II ? ).  Word is they will coerce the importers to sell this one by refusing to pay the liability insurance that they formerly paid on the standard Cattleman.

Ugh, I sure hope that isn't the case. I love the simplicity of the Colt SAA, and Uberti's repro's by extension.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coal Creek Griff on February 02, 2017, 04:00:32 pm
At least the threat of these firing pins caused my lovely bride to tell me to go immediately to my local gun store and buy a new revolver last year.  I would have a very hard time deciding to buy a revolver that had one of those.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecOGRmMtFow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecOGRmMtFow)

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,56862.0.html (http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,56862.0.html)

CC Griff
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Pettifogger on February 03, 2017, 10:13:35 am
Unfortunately liability concerns are the way of the world and an industry here in the good old U.S.  People will say they like simplicity and rail against manufacturers that have installed transfer bars, etc.  However, when those same people have an accident it is SOMEONE else's fault no matter what or who caused the accident.  If someone gets hurt your best buddy will sue you as quickly as a total stranger.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Virginia Gentleman on February 03, 2017, 01:11:46 pm
Cosmetically, it looks better than the current hammer block that most imports have.  Liability, we can all thank the PC snowflakes and the ambulance chasing lawyers for it.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Scattered Thumbs on February 03, 2017, 04:22:51 pm
Cosmetically, it looks better than the current hammer block that most imports have.  Liability, we can all thank the PC snowflakes and the ambulance chasing lawyers for it.

And who knows? It might even work.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: vietvet1968 on July 07, 2017, 12:08:50 am
I just mistakenly bought one thinking the gun had 4 clicks , bought it sight unseen which was a big mistake then worked the action and feel and hear 3 clicks . They don't have the safety notch and I really don't like the way it feels at all. In fact I'm trying to find out if I can put in the old style hammer and correct this problem . Anyone know if this can be done?
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Ben Beam on July 07, 2017, 12:25:05 pm
I have one. Shoots beautifully, never had a problem with it.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coffinmaker on July 07, 2017, 03:23:46 pm
Not ME!!

I shoot Cap Guns.  Don't need no stinking Firing Pins   ;D

Coffinmaker
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Capt Quirk on July 07, 2017, 06:03:16 pm
At least the threat of these firing pins caused my lovely bride to tell me to go immediately to my local gun store and buy a new revolver last year.  I would have a very hard time deciding to buy a revolver that had one of those.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecOGRmMtFow (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecOGRmMtFow)

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,56862.0.html (http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,56862.0.html)

CC Griff
That is bloody GENIUS! Why didn't I think of it?
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: RRio on May 11, 2019, 11:10:57 am
I have one. Shoots beautifully, never had a problem with it.

I have one also. Did an action job on it, and you wouldn't know that has that improved system if I didn't tell you. Every bit as smooth and light as one of my older guns.  ;)
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coffinmaker on May 12, 2019, 11:39:30 am

First.  A CAVEAT:  I don't own one.  I haven't own'd one.  I won't own one.  It isn't that the funky stupid miserable retracting Firing Pin Can't/Doesen't/Won''t work.  It does.  I just don't like Uberti .... Remember???

I have now had the opportunity to fondle a couple of them.  They ran fine.  Took em apart and looked at all the extra parts and found nothing amiss.  I wouldn't want to let em get gummy from unsanitary bathing habits.  Other than a Funky Stupid Miserable retracting firing pin, they be fine.  The retracting firing pin, is in answer to a question none of us ever asked.  STUPID. 
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Dave T on May 12, 2019, 03:19:59 pm
Coffin,

They took a lesson from Smith & Wesson's fine example of how to alienate a large segment of your customer base.

Dave
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: RRio on May 12, 2019, 07:05:34 pm
First.  A CAVEAT:  I don't own one.  I haven't own'd one.  I won't own one.  It isn't that the funky stupid miserable retracting Firing Pin Can't/Doesen't/Won''t work.  It does.  I just don't like Uberti .... Remember???

I have now had the opportunity to fondle a couple of them.  They ran fine.  Took em apart and looked at all the extra parts and found nothing amiss.  I wouldn't want to let em get gummy from unsanitary bathing habits.  Other than a Funky Stupid Miserable retracting firing pin, they be fine.  The retracting firing pin, is in answer to a question none of us ever asked.  STUPID.

All very well and fine that you don'r like Uberti, but why then, do you want to waste time responding on a "Uberti" thread??   ???
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coffinmaker on May 13, 2019, 08:10:21 am
BECAUSE!!  Sumthin to do   :o

Oh yea, and I had a minor amount of pertinent input.

FORGOT:  And because the forums' have been really really QUIET lately.  Needed a little stirring.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Jeremiah Jones on May 13, 2019, 02:04:04 pm
I don't have one, but, is it possible to make it non-retractable, with some JB Weld? 
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: RRio on May 13, 2019, 04:14:47 pm
I don't have one, but, is it possible to make it non-retractable, with some JB Weld?


ALL things are possible with JB Weld.     ;D

 You would have to take the rod out of the hammer, remove the firing pin, and fill the channel with enough JBW to hold the pin in the proper place. Still only gonna be 3 clicks. Best metod is to replace the hammer and trigger.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Major 2 on May 13, 2019, 04:46:40 pm
here is a concept  :)  buy a pre floating firing pin gun....
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: 45 Dragoon on May 13, 2019, 06:27:09 pm
I had one in the shop and made some drop in "safety deletes" for them.  Just remove the pin that holds the spring and plunger in the hammer, remove the spring and plunger, drop in the S.D. and replace the pin to keep it in place. Much cleaner and faster than JB.  It allows you to re-install the safety device if you ever want to sell it or carry it with 6.

Mike
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Cliff Fendley on May 13, 2019, 10:06:11 pm
here is a concept  :)  buy a pre floating firing pin gun....

Yep
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coffinmaker on May 14, 2019, 09:22:13 am

PLUS ONE to Major 2 and Cliff Fendley

PLUS .... Bear in mind ..... Pietta don't have those Funky Suck Butt floating Firing Pins.  Yes, I know, Pietta do make an SA with a Transfer Bar.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: 45 Dragoon on May 14, 2019, 09:53:11 am
Um .  .  .  .  foul!!

Mr. CM, you don't like Ubert's anyway!! Lol. So, just a waste of electrons!!

At least it ain't quiet anymore!!   ;D

Mike

At least I gave a solution that only requires local anesthesia! No mixing, no cure time, totally reversible .  .  .
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Hillbilly Drifter on May 14, 2019, 05:03:00 pm
I have had a couple and used them for a season. They ran just fine. Sure were not very popular when I went to sell them though.....
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Virginia Gentleman on June 23, 2019, 08:16:38 pm
I have one now from Taylors and Company an engraved white polished metal.  Other than the 3 clicks it seems the same.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: major on June 23, 2019, 08:45:53 pm
I have several single action revolvers with the floating pin and they all work great. ;D
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Professor Marvel on June 24, 2019, 03:11:02 am
I am gratified to hear that

a) they work
2) they can be easily defeated ... thanks Goon!
III) they are pretty.... and work!

penultimatley, they also generate conversation!

prof marvl

Um .  .  .  .  foul!!

Mr. CM, you don't like Ubert's anyway!! Lol. So, just a waste of electrons!!

At least it ain't quiet anymore!!   ;D

Mike

At least I gave a solution that only requires local anesthesia! No mixing, no cure time, totally reversible .  .  .
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: 45 Dragoon on June 24, 2019, 06:51:04 am
Thanks Perfesser!!
  And on second thought, because of the "conversation generation" of the particular subject, I reckon it wasn't a waste of electrons after ALL!!  My apologies Mr. CM !!

Mike
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coffinmaker on June 24, 2019, 08:51:24 am

HA  ;D   So There   8)
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Virginia Gentleman on July 04, 2019, 03:10:04 pm
Since they work and are safer, is the real objection over the fact that the 4 clicks are missing?
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Professor Marvel on July 04, 2019, 11:26:57 pm
Since they work and are safer, is the real objection over the fact that the 4 clicks are missing?

I believe, but cannot prove, that the objections are a mix of
?OMG you changed something?
Increased complexity
?It is no longer the 1873 that I know and love?

Yhs
Prof Marvel
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Coffinmaker on July 05, 2019, 12:50:27 pm

I personally don't like either the idea nor the execution.  Must understand though, Ideas give me headaches and I have never been comfortable around executioners.  Makes me some nervous.

This contraption is simply a solution in desperate search of a problem.  The only driving force I can think of, beyond the lawyers, was/is to make the gun "look" more like a traditional Colt.  I don't see that as a necessity from a personal standpoint.  I'm happy with "Fine from the Freeway" and am not a fan of fixing something that isn't broken or not in need of improvement.

Seems, I am also in full agreement with The Professor of Marvelous fame.  The objections seem to be driven by "OMG ..... YOU'VE CHANGED SOMETHING." and of course "It's no longer MY Colt Clone" without consideration, never was a clone .... was a Replicant.  Heck, a 3rd generation Colt isn't a good clone.  It's also a pretty poor Replicant.  Oh, and the new gizmo is an increase in complexity.  That alone (complexity) will really start conversation.

If you really want to checkout the hand wringing and wailing into the Night, just wait until the "Retro Fit" parts are no longer available.  Uberti has a habit of not supporting previous manufacture when an "Enhancement" is made.  Soon, if you break one of the "older" pattern guns, you will have to buy a complete "kit" inclusive of the "new" hammer, pushrod, trigger, firing pin and other assorted hardware for your repair.  Most similar to what must be procured for their Toggle Link rifles.  Be fun to watch.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: LonesomePigeon on July 16, 2019, 10:51:57 pm
I wonder if Standard Mfg. might sell hammers & triggers eventually? If Standard is based on the USFA and the USFA was based on Uberti it might not be too difficult to fit a Standard parts into a new Uberti.
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: Speedballalice on July 25, 2019, 01:24:46 pm
I have handled two over the course of the last year in the local gunshop and neither went to full cock reliably. Dont know if it was a fluke or just me.
 
Title: Re: Anyone have a "floating firing pin" Uberti SAA replica?
Post by: yahoody on September 12, 2019, 10:17:15 pm
I have a few of them..3 or 4 at least may be 5.

I didn't like the extra trigger weight or the feel.  Just me but wasn't happy with  them so I bought 4 click hammers and triggers from Cimarron and they were all dropped in and better feeling triggers IMO.   Timing was still spot on.  CNC machining and engineering at its best  ;D   Close to $80 my dealer cost per gun upgrade.

Solved the liability issue but didn't improve the SAA design in any way I can see.   Nothing wrong with simple in a firearm.

USFA hammer won't fit a Uberti.  They will some times fit a 1st or 2nd Gen Colt.