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Title: CCW guns
Post by: PJ Hardtack on January 14, 2017, 08:44:04 pm
Who carries what as a licenced CCW permit holder?

We don't have CCW laws here in Canuckistan, but if  we did, I know what I'd be packing - either my S&W M66 2-1/2" snubby or it's M19 brother in blue.

I started shooting IDPA (a game predicated on US CCW laws) with my 1911s, but to keep a newbie revolver friend company, I started using my M66 4". Then the M66 snubby came along and I discovered the ideal IDPA gun for me.

The M19 snubby caught my eye at a price I couldn't refuse so .... well, you know how it goes. It has had an action job done by someone who knew his craft. Silky smooth DA to the point where you don't even think about SA.

Shooting against the 9mm "spray & pray" crowd is a ball. Yes, they have faster times, but I rarely hit less than "0" down on my targets. Reloads are another matter, but no COF can exceed 18 rds, making them 'revolver friendly'. Our laws restrict semi-autos to 10 rd mags, so there is no real advantage. If you've ever fumbled a mag change, you know what I mean.
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Buffalo Creek Law Dog on January 14, 2017, 10:48:20 pm
If we had CCW in Canada I would be carrying my S&W 686 4"bbl .357 mag.  I prefer a wheel gun over semi autos.  I remember carrying the Browning 9mm in a closed holster in the Air Force.  After you fumbled it out of the holster, you had to take the safety off then rack it. After I was CFR'd I was issued a Colt Cobra in .38 spl.  it was open holster and a lot quicker to get into firing position but, I rarely carried it.

Just as a humorus aside, when I was a young buck Air Force Policeman working midnight shift, it was on a nuclear base and during the winter we carried our 9mm pistol in our parka pocket.  I found the Officer's Mess unlocked.  Doing the internal check I saw a bowl of fruit and I took a banana and put it in my parka pocket (I was on ration strength so it was legal) with the 9mm and then forgot about it.  After a night of in and out of the vehicle, and at the end of the shift when I took my pistol out of the pocket it was jammed full of banana.  Bandana up the barrel, banana in the internals.....well, you kind of get the picture. 

Ah!  The good old days.... gone forever.
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Major 2 on January 15, 2017, 06:04:35 am
Vintage (pre lock) nickel model 36 Chief’s Special is my favored choice every day.
1 round disadvantage I know, but I prefer the less printability profile in casual Florida climate clothing.
Revolver reliability is another reason, I have considered a Model 60 , and may get one just for the Stainless, but so far the nickel has served well & faithful.

On rare occasion, like in the State management areas ( My Wife works for the State Wildlife Management )
my go to is a 1911 , but the little 36 is in my pocket as well.


 

 



 
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: pony express on January 15, 2017, 08:14:36 am
Just beginning with carrying-since Jan 1st we have so called "Constitutional Carry" in Mo, no permits needed. There's usually a Ruger LCP in my coat pocket. Haven't worked out yet what I will do when it gets warmer.
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Buffalo Creek Law Dog on January 15, 2017, 10:51:43 am
Vintage (pre lock) nickel model 36 Chief’s Special is my favored choice every day.
1 round disadvantage I know, but I prefer the less printability profile in casual Florida climate clothing.
Revolver reliability is another reason, I have considered a Model 60 , and may get one just for the Stainless, but so far the nickel has served well & faithful.

On rare occasion, like in the State management areas ( My Wife works for the State Wildlife Management )
my go to is a 1911 , but the little 36 is in my pocket as well.

Canadian female Military Police were issued the S&W Chiefs Special 5 shot in .38 in 1974 and were still using them when I retired in '87.


 

 



 
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: PJ Hardtack on January 15, 2017, 11:04:47 am
If we had CCW in Canada I would be carrying my S&W 686 4"bbl .357 mag.  I prefer a wheel gun over semi autos.  I remember carrying the Browning 9mm in a closed holster in the Air Force.  After you fumbled it out of the holster, you had to take the safety off then rack it. After I was CFR'd I was issued a Colt Cobra in .38 spl.  it was open holster and a lot quicker to get into firing position but, I rarely carried it.

I didn't think that the safety could be applied on an uncocked Inglis Hi-Power.

I've got a nice little S&W M60 with a "banana grip" that I really like, but I don't shoot it and can't use it in IDPA as you need a 6 rd capacity. It would be an ideal CCW. There is enough of a handicap in the game without being down one round. I'm considering trading it off on a M63 in .22LR.

I shot a three rd group with the M60 at 15 yds that was well under the size of a dime. Kept that target for years.
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Fred_G on January 17, 2017, 06:20:16 pm
Commander slide officer frame 1911 in 38 Super.  If I am going to a 'gun free zone'  that day, a S&W M&P 9C works as well.
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Good Troy on January 18, 2017, 11:50:51 am
My goal this year is to get a CCL.   So this is good information for me.

As best I can tell, it is going to require me to have some wardrobe changes (and loosing a few lbs would help too!) to conceal a handgun of a good defense caliber and capacity.  I do like revolvers, and I have a S&W Model 60 that belongs to my ex-mother-in-law (long story, I've been baby sitting it for over a decade since she moved to  Massachusetts...I should go ahead and buy it from her!).  It is concealable in the front pocket of loose pants, but not very easily accessed.  This has lead me to considering sub-compact autos such as a Sig 938, Ruger LC9 (it think this is the model designation for the 9 mm) or Springfield XDs. 

At the very least, I'll get a NAA mini revolver and put it in my front pocket...better to have and not need, than to not have and need!

Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: PJ Hardtack on January 18, 2017, 01:30:51 pm
I own a M60 and i think that you'll find carrying it in a front pocket is not going to be very comfortable. The gun will also be exposed to a lot of pocket lint, etc. You want that gun to WORK when you need it!

There is a plethora of good CCW holster design out there. You may have to experiment a little to find one that works for you. Holster suitability is a totally subjective thing. What works for one person will not necessarily work for another.

I'd fire a few of the small frame pocket pistols first before deciding which way to go. You aren't looking to be in a prolonged gunfight so magazine capacity need not be a determining factor.
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Good Troy on January 18, 2017, 02:22:08 pm
Good points PJ...I plan to visit the local range and rent some of the sub compacts, and lean on some friends to let me try some of theirs.  I fired a Springfield XDs in 45 acp several years ago when they came out.  I was fairly impressed with the size and power, but I had some failures to go to battery.  I was fairly new to the game, so it may have been me limp wristing the gun.  I'll revisit it.
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Tornado on January 18, 2017, 03:50:02 pm
I love my revolvers, but for CC I always carry my S&W Bodyguard 380.  The little pocket 380's will always be flatter and they hold a couple more rounds than the typical 5 shot 38 special revolver.
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Fred_G on January 18, 2017, 07:12:48 pm
The main thing is to get a good belt and holster.  I am fairly slim, can carry a full sized 1911 with just a button down shirt over a t-shirt as a cover garment.  The smaller pocket guns are OK, but not what I would choose.

Jason Winnie makes my carry holsters.  Good product at a decent price.  Bought a lot of holsters before I found what works best for me.
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Rye Miles on January 18, 2017, 07:33:18 pm
I've been carrying since 2004 when CCW was passed in Ohio. I've had various carry guns, right now it's the Ruger LC9s in 9mm!! 8)
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Oldtrader3 on January 18, 2017, 10:59:55 pm
It depends, if I am dressed up for an appointment or social occasion, I usually carry a Colt Mustang .380 in a Sneaky Pete under my jacket.  For daily carry in jeans and vest, I carry either a holstered 2 inch, Model 60, .38 Spec+P or a 3 inch, Model 60, .357 Mag.
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Forty Rod on January 18, 2017, 11:36:37 pm
Colt Government .380 or an old battle-weary Star 43 in 9mm.

Once in awhile just for s---s and giggles I carry my "new" S&W 38SA second model in .38 S&W / .38 Short Colt / British .30-200.  It's safe with all five chambers loaded and is about equivalent to the .380... which is carried simultaneously.  It's just a touch of the past, but not a serious CCW piece.

Cold weather gun is a 1911 .45.
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Buffalo Creek Law Dog on January 19, 2017, 08:51:02 am


PJ  I may have used the wrong term.  I called it the safety but it was the slide which has two notches on the left side that can be used to lock the slide open with the push up button or, the rear one for preventing the slide to rack.  It has been 48 years since I operated the Browning.  That was when I was issued the Colt Cobra.

Just as an aside, when they brought female MP's back into the trade in 1973, they issued them the S&W Chiefs Special 5 shot in .38 spl.  I could never understand why they would give a front line MP a 5 shot revolver.  It would make an acceptable CCW firearm.

I have no idea what firearms MP's carry today.
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: PJ Hardtack on January 19, 2017, 11:18:57 am
You might be referring to the slide stop lever which can be manually operated or automatically when the gun is shot dry.

The current service pistol is still the Ingis Hi-Power along with some Sig P226s in the mix. An Afghanistan vet told me that "they were handing out pistols like candy over there", with next to no training. People who never set foot outside the wire looked cool having coffee at Timmy's Kandahar outlet.

I had a commercial model during my 12 years service so I aced qualification with the issue pistol. At the Arctic Warfare School in Churchill, Manitoba, I was gifted with a 5000 rd case of ball ammo and burned it up on the tundra getting to know the gun very well. Shot it for years later in IPSC.

There is talk now of a replacement for the Inglis Hi-Power, the Glock a strong contender. God help us! A plastic framed pistol designed to be fool proof in the hands of fools. What could go wrong? Remember what happened when police departments started issuing Glocks?

There is little to no chance of the BHPs being sold off as surplus, but that doesn't account for the number of them already in civilian hands. They can't ALL be stolen guns.

Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Sir Charles deMouton-Black on January 19, 2017, 01:26:45 pm
I have a Mk I Inglis with a T serial #. Bought it in "Prince".  Registered as a "Browning" so I assume a lunch box special!
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: PJ Hardtack on January 19, 2017, 01:48:37 pm
If it is a "lunch box special", there are a lot of them out there! They pop up on CGN regularly.
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on January 21, 2017, 12:09:29 pm
Currently carrying a RIA compact 1911 in .45 ACP. But, thinking of getting something a bit lighter.

Slim
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: pony express on January 21, 2017, 12:27:52 pm
My goal this year is to get a CCL.   So this is good information for me.

As best I can tell, it is going to require me to have some wardrobe changes (and loosing a few lbs would help too!)

I'm in the same boat-I typically just wear jeans and t-shirt, or polo type shirt for more "dress" occasions, shirt tails tucked in. If I stick with that, I'm pretty limited to an inside waistband tuckable holster. I can forsee that such a rig might get pretty uncomfortable in 90+ degree Missouri humidity. The LCP fits fine in a pocket, but with my jeans, eventually about everything I carry in my pockets starts leaving a "mark" on the material, it's obvious by the wear patterns what I carry in which pocket. Pocket knife right front, cell phone left front...

 Ruger LC9 (it think this is the model designation for the 9 mm) or Springfield XDs. 

Yup, LC9 is the 9mm. I have no experience with it, only it's little brother, the LCP. so far, I have had no failures with it, but I haven't shot a lot of rounds through it. It's not what you might call a "fun" gun!

At the very least, I'll get a NAA mini revolver and put it in my front pocket...better to have and not need, than to not have and need!


Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: ira scott on January 21, 2017, 09:48:49 pm
I have put quite a few rounds through an LC9, both FMJ and various self defense HPs and it seems to be a "rugged reliable firearm" as advertised by Ruger. Only slightly larger than the LCP, but I the 9MM is considered a more effective self defense round. That being said there a .45 ACP autos that are only slightly larger that the LC9 with another increase in power. So the choice comes down to most concealable, less bad guy stopping power, and most bad guy stopping power, 500S&W, not as concealable! But as Troy said it's way better to be carrying anything than nuttin! 
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Cholla Hill Tirador on January 22, 2017, 01:10:01 am
3" Charter Arms Bulldog .44 Special for CC-

 (http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/Charter%20Arms%20Bulldog/185grSWC-edit_zps692a31e4.jpg) (http://s60.photobucket.com/user/308Scout/media/Charter%20Arms%20Bulldog/185grSWC-edit_zps692a31e4.jpg.html)

 But, we've also had Open Carry for a little over a year now. About the only time I OC is when I'm wearing the rig, working around the place and have to run into town for something. I usually leave it on because I'm too lazy to take it off before I go into the store.

 (http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h6/308Scout/Single%20Actions/IMG_0401_zpsb7a0a27c.jpg) (http://s60.photobucket.com/user/308Scout/media/Single%20Actions/IMG_0401_zpsb7a0a27c.jpg.html)

 CHT
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: PJ Hardtack on January 22, 2017, 10:55:19 am
I've fired a Charter Arms "Bull Dog" with the 240 gr .44 Spl. loads that are quite comfortable in my 4" M29.  It was memorable!
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Tuolumne Lawman on February 05, 2017, 06:53:18 pm
I am a retired California LEO, so I have CCW privileges. For Every Day Carry, I carry a S&W M&P Shield in 9mm.  With the Mag-guts +2 conversion in my mags, I have 10+1 of 9mm, less than 1/4" longer than the factory 8 rounder.  It is loaded with Speer Gold Dot 124 +P Gold Dot (NYPD load) for about 360 ft lbs ME, even from the short barrel. 

I retired my CZ 83 and Bersa 380 when I switched to the Shield.  It is so compact and light, I forget I am waring it in a leather IWB holster.  I also occasionally carry (when I go to LA or SF areas) my trusty Glock 19 (2nd gen) that I have carried since 1994, when I used it as an LEO.
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Rye Miles on February 07, 2017, 08:11:02 am
I carry a S&W Model 442 airweight in .38 spl.
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Forty Rod on February 07, 2017, 09:48:34 am

3" Charter Arms Bulldog .44 Special for CC-

Endorsed by the Son of Sam IIRC.
 
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Coffinmaker on February 07, 2017, 04:37:11 pm
I always carried a Commander size 1911, my current one is a Kimber Tac Pro II.  However, since I got old and fat, belt carry can be a problem so I carry a Charter Bulldog 44 in a vest pocket.

Coffinmaker
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Badlands Beady on February 11, 2017, 03:46:10 pm
Ruger LCD9s Pro 9mm, fitted with tritium sights.  Depending on clothing, I carry it in a OWB belt holster, conventional shoulder holster or Deepcover linen shoulder harness.
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: PJ Hardtack on February 11, 2017, 08:57:43 pm
Today I bought my third S&W .357 2-1/2" snubby, a M19. Companion piece for my other snubby M19 and M66.

I don't live in a country that allows CCWs but I shoot these guns in IDPA. If I COULD carry, one of these would be my constant companion.
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Major 2 on August 09, 2019, 08:37:29 am
I realize this is a dinosaur of a thread.... :-\ But thinking this is still relevant.

My taste has changed .I was carrying a S&W Mod.36 or an alternative 2" Model 60

But just a few days ago I acquired a Sig 365 , it was one of those planets align buys.
I am completely gob struck with the compact 10 shot 9mm.
10 rounds of 9MM Luger in a piece smaller than a Glock 43 single stack.
Ergonomics are just right for my hand, and recoil is quite mild because of the fit.
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: PJ Hardtack on August 09, 2019, 10:20:40 am
Sometimes you just KNOW when it's YOUR gun!
 Congrats on your SIG.
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Jake C on August 09, 2019, 10:34:15 am
I carry a S&W M1917. Not exactly ideal for concealed carry, but for me my options are an Uberti SAA with a 7.5" barrel or the Smith, so the Smith it is.
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Abilene on August 09, 2019, 03:28:47 pm
Mine is a Keltec P11 9mm, with a belt clip.  It is not fun to shoot, but then I don't shoot it for fun.  Lately I've been open carrying a Glock 19 when I take my late night exercise walks.
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Coal Creek Griff on August 09, 2019, 06:20:22 pm
I realize this is a dinosaur of a thread.... :-\ But thinking this is still relevant.

My taste has changed .I was carrying a S&W Mod.36 or an alternative 2" Model 60

But just a few days ago I acquired a Sig 365 , it was one of those planets align buys.
I am completely gob struck with the compact 10 shot 9mm.
10 rounds of 9MM Luger in a piece smaller than a Glock 43 single stack.
Ergonomics are just right for my hand, and recoil is quite mild because of the fit.

I too switched to a P365 a few months ago. It is a near perfect CCW pistol. It's comfortable to shoot, accurate, easy to control and concealable. I find myself liking it more and more. Now, there have been reports of QC and breakage issues, particularly with early production guns, but mine has been completely reliable. Good choice!

CC Griff
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: DeaconKC on August 09, 2019, 08:27:57 pm
There's an old saying, "No gun too big to shoot or too small too carry". My preferred carry is a Sig 239 or a SCCY 9mm. Got talked out of a Shield .40 by a cop buddy who needed a BUG.
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Capt Quirk on August 09, 2019, 09:38:40 pm
I just got an ATI 1911 last Christmas, and was carrying in a Mexican loop at 3:00. Recently, I made a holster for a fella with the same pistol, based on a pic of a Milt Sparks IWB. I liked the way it came out, and immediately whipped up a second. Not really a fan of IWB holsters, but this one sits nice at 4:00.

Prior to this, I carried a Ruger 44 SBH. And a 357 Uberti Cattleman before that.
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Major 2 on August 09, 2019, 11:43:47 pm
I too switched to a P365 a few months ago. It is a near perfect CCW pistol. It's comfortable to shoot, accurate, easy to control and concealable. I find myself liking it more and more. Now, there have been reports of QC and breakage issues, particularly with early production guns, but mine has been completely reliable. Good choice!

CC Griff

There were some reports in a small percentage of early guns in early 2018 , issue was centered around the striker breakage, but Sig addressed that with a new striker design by mid 2018. Another was the night sights were not glowing.
 
Guns made in 2019 have solved the early teething issues... 

 
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Major 2 on August 10, 2019, 12:13:26 am
I too am not enamored with IWB ...sadly there is precious little extra room inside my belt with me in there too  ::)
Nor do I like tight elastic bands , ankle carry or those crotch pouch things...
that leaves OWB or Pocket carry for me.

I have several DeSantis Nemesis pocket holsters I like and just got another for the Sig.  I
also ordered a MY Holster thumb break OWB for the Sig that looks like I'll like.

I considered Sneaky Pete belt boxes, but they are embossed with SP and telegraph to anyone familiar with the thing  :-\
also it is kinda bulky
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Rye Miles on August 12, 2019, 09:00:07 am
I carry a S&W Model 37 with Pachmeyer grips. I can't get the picture straight on here for some reason!!
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Capt Quirk on August 12, 2019, 02:09:20 pm
@Major- Sometimes, I just like to let it all hang out
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Silver Creek Slim on August 13, 2019, 09:39:45 am
Currently carrying a RIA compact 1911 in .45 ACP. But, thinking of getting something a bit lighter.

Slim
I've switched to a Rossi clone of the S&W model 60 with the firing pin on the hammer.

Slim
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Major 2 on August 13, 2019, 02:50:03 pm
I mentioned     "...ordered a MY Holster thumb break OWB for the Sig that looks like I'll like.


Up date   I do like it  good quality , excellent fit  ...could not beat the price  @ $28  shipped free.

I compare to Galco
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: pony express on August 13, 2019, 08:37:32 pm
Here's the holster I carry my S&W Shield 9 in:

http://advancedperformanceshooting.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Epitome.jpg

Since the belt goes over the holster, it keeps the gun pulled in tight to the body, and for me it's snugged up right under my...errrr?. "overhang"  :o when worn just in front of the hip. Conceals pretty well with a loose fitting untucked t-shirt or a polo shirt.
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Rye Miles on September 10, 2019, 07:15:52 pm
I go between a Model 37, an Airweight and a LCP9s, can't make up my mind on which one I like the best!
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Capt Quirk on September 11, 2019, 03:28:44 am
I tried the IWB holster, gave it a good run. I wore it one day, when I had a lot of driving to do, 3 hrs up to Athens, more driving around up there, 3 hrs back... By the end of the day, I couldn't hardly walk. Been 3-4 weeks, and I'm still in pain. No more IWB for me!
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Major 2 on September 11, 2019, 05:11:37 am
update . I have yet to use the OTW thumb break with the Sig 365 ? just no occasion as its still to warm for any light jacket and I don't go untucked
( well T shirts I do but seldom wear them aside from around the house )

So it has been the DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: The Pathfinder on September 11, 2019, 07:22:40 am
I use either a 1908 .380 Colt model M or a Colt 1911 on a belt or a shoulder holster USFA SAA Sheriffs .45.
In the early 90s, I knew a 90 plus years old man who ran a gun shop in Wichita that still carried his old 1849 Pocket model, in the late 90s I knew a shop owner who kept a 2nd model S&W Russian under the counter. I guess it really is whatever you are most comfortable with.
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Marshal Hangtree on September 11, 2019, 12:02:43 pm
I won't leave the couch without my G19.  Glocks have saved my hide more than once as a LEO.
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Baltimore Ed on September 11, 2019, 12:41:30 pm
I bounce between a Scandium J frame .38 spcl and a lightweight Colt Mustang .380. In the fall/winter I will carry my 625-10 .45acp or a New Agent .45. I pocket carry usually but I?ll carry the 1911 owb.
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Major 2 on September 11, 2019, 01:45:59 pm
I was convinced my 38 J frames were my go to  ..... trusted and handy , though only 5 shots & a bit heavy ( not Scandium )
I discovered the Beretta Jetfire 950 BS and enjoy the light deep carry  8 +1 but its 25 ACP  :-\

The Sig 365 w/ 12 + 1 in 9 MM  is  18.5 oz  and it goes bang every time...so far
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Coal Creek Griff on September 11, 2019, 03:19:13 pm

The Sig 365 w/ 12 + 1 in 9 MM  is  18.5 oz  and it goes bang every time...so far

I agree.  As I mentioned earlier, the P365 is rapidly taking over as my carry gun.  I use a Kydex IWB holster with a loose shirt over it or a Kydex pocket holster in my right front pocket.  I have a pouch with a flap that holds a spare magazine on my left hip.  It just looks like a multi-tool or something since you can't see what's in there.  This setup is just hard to beat...

CC Griff
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: PJ Hardtack on September 12, 2019, 06:18:40 pm
I haven't been keeping track .... What's the ratio of CCW revolvers compared to semi-autos?
Title: Re: CCW guns
Post by: Capt Quirk on September 12, 2019, 11:00:51 pm
I haven't been keeping track .... What's the ratio of CCW revolvers compared to semi-autos?
It depends on the weather. Hot weather seems to lean towards semi autos, cold weather favors revolvers.