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Title: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on July 16, 2013, 06:10:43 am
Hopefully this is early enough that everybody can put in for time off now and get it.

I will be hosting the 2014 Department of Missouri Muster International Grand Muster, June 27th, 28th & 29th, in my pasture. The date this coming year is a little earlier than we normally hold the Department Muster in hopes of a little cooler weather. The average high temperature in this area on June 27th is 84 degrees

This Muster will be open to anyone in the GAF. If not currently a member I can help you register. (Membership in the GAF is free and easy) By using Google Earth and going to  41°40'16.24"N Latitude and  99°19'42.54"W Longitude you can see the Dept. Muster site. Registration forms will be available on the dispatches page of the Grand Army's Web site. Particpation will be limited to 35 shooters. Registration is $75,  an extra Sat. eve. banquet ticked is $15. Meals will be available on site from Delmonico. Those wishing to attend but not compete may do so without registration fee, but be sure to pay the meal fee if you plan to eat with us.

The planned activities include: a 3 stage GAF steel target main match, a 300 yd paper target long range match and a GAF Expansion Era Match. While 3 stages for the main match doesn't sound like much these three stages will be of the skirmish format and will feature about 20 knock down targets per stage. Round counts will be dependent on the number of times the shooter needs to shoot at each target to get it to fall. 100 rounds at least would be a good plan. One stage will feature a Gatling gun.(ammunition provided) This is a match that, as one participant said, truly needs to be experienced to be fully appreciated.

This muster will be a primative camping event. I will have a tent city and have tentage for about 10 individuals if you don't have your own. We should be easily able to get photos without anything modern in them. We should have plenty of time to sit around the campfire and visit.

Shooters will be able to sight in their rifles on Friday evening. When the actual long range match is held on Saturday it will be shot from the shooters choice of positions from the ground. The idea behind this is that it will be more of a real world type of match.

I've attached a FAQ sheet and a suggested equipment list below.
Title: Re: 2014 Department of Missouri Muster
Post by: Drydock on July 16, 2013, 04:57:16 pm
FYI gentlemen (and Delmonico) he calls it a pasture, but there is a permanent "fort"/shooting platform at the campsite, along with a shower and stock tank, with piped in running water.  A log faced outhouse is also installed.  Each Skirmish run takes place in its own ravine, with enough targets and props for each scenario allready installed.   Transport, either a Utility vehicle or a pickup, is readily available for those not wishing to drive the path out to the shooting area.  (My car stays at the farmhouse.)  The camp area is high in the Nebraska sandhills, with a spectacular view, often including thunderstorms far off over South Dakota.

Not too mention the education my son has recieved via the campfire stories of various Squids, Jarheads, Grunts and Wingwipers.  (the Nebraska Highway Patrol chimes in now and then as well . . .)

Did I mention there's a shower on site?

Oh, and there's a shower . . .
Title: Re: 2014 Department of Missouri Muster
Post by: Delmonico on July 16, 2013, 09:06:34 pm


Did I mention there's a shower on site?

Oh, and there's a shower . . .

And Jerry will re-rig said shower so that next year all or most of the water will stay inside the shower stall  rather than end up in South Dakota like it did at times this year.

The stock tank is great to turn a palm leaf hat into a cowboy swamp cooler.

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/DOMM%202013/Picture131_zps3ad6c66a.jpg) (http://s72.photobucket.com/user/Delmonico_1885/media/DOMM%202013/Picture131_zps3ad6c66a.jpg.html)

We also have hand washing facilities right next to the shower with mirrors for those who may want to shave or get a bathroom mirror picture for their Facebook account.
Title: Re: 2014 Department of Missouri Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on July 17, 2013, 04:44:05 am
Here is a complete walk through of the entire 2013 main match.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1VrbmYd5Ps&feature=c4-overview&list=UUXw3tE3r0hB_LTk-Q3NeD1g[/youtube]

This a quick look at some of the uniforms and weapons at the 2013 match.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmI0s49qP2c&feature=share&list=UUXw3tE3r0hB_LTk-Q3NeD1g[/youtube]

(Thanks Major Strong)
Title: Re: 2014 Department of Missouri Muster
Post by: Delmonico on July 24, 2013, 01:06:40 pm
Anyone planning on coming out, we should tell you that if you have a telescope you need to bring it, the chance to get that far away from any major light polution is very rare.   

http://www.blue-marble.de/nightlights/2012?ll=41.640833,-99.371667

If it don't work right type Sargent Nebraska into the search and line the red arrow up in the center and bring it up.  A newer site and seems to have a glitch now and then.
Title: Re: 2014 Department of Missouri Muster
Post by: Drydock on July 26, 2013, 10:15:22 am
The night sky is indeed a treat!  Seems we always spend some time after sundown looking for satillites.  The flash they can make when the rotation catchs the sun just right is a shock the first time you see it!  Like being back at sea for me.
Title: Re: 2014 Department of Missouri Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on July 31, 2013, 11:50:18 am
I HAVE EXCITING NEWS!

This will be written into a stage next year!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kctEE8OVGkI&list=UUXw3tE3r0hB_LTk-Q3NeD1g[/youtube]
(ammunition will be provided)
 :o :o :o :o 8)
If one magazine doesn't satisfy your graving for cranking a Gatlin Gun I'll have ammunition for sale.
Title: Re: 2014 Department of Missouri Muster
Post by: G.W. Strong on July 31, 2013, 12:02:05 pm
I HAVE EXCITING NEWS!

This will be written into a stage next year!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kctEE8OVGkI&list=UUXw3tE3r0hB_LTk-Q3NeD1g (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kctEE8OVGkI&list=UUXw3tE3r0hB_LTk-Q3NeD1g)

 :o :o :o :o 8)

I can hardly wait!
Title: Re: 2014 Department of Missouri Muster
Post by: Drydock on July 31, 2013, 02:39:14 pm
Everybody bring a box of .45 Colt!   8)
Title: Re: 2014 Department of Missouri Muster
Post by: pony express on July 31, 2013, 05:46:59 pm
It just keeps getting better and better.....

Maybe we can use it on "The Moro"? Or maybe make a bunch of "Moros" to mow down!
Title: Re: 2014 Department of Missouri Muster
Post by: Delmonico on July 31, 2013, 06:13:54 pm
It just keeps getting better and better.....

Maybe we can use it on "The Moro"? Or maybe make a bunch of "Moros" to mow down!

Folks don't know what they miss by not coming, I've got a couple three new ideas from on my end.   
Title: Re: 2014 Department of Missouri Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on August 01, 2013, 06:42:38 am
It just keeps getting better and better.....

Maybe we can use it on "The Moro"? Or maybe make a bunch of "Moros" to mow down!
I modified the Moro last week so that it can be used as a dinger. That way you can shoot it multiple times as it attacks you or you can still use it the we did this year, as a knock down. It's funny, as a dinger you can actually stop it's advance with a 1911... until you empty the magazine anyway.  :o
Title: Re: 2014 Department of Missouri Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on August 01, 2013, 06:51:37 am
Folks don't know what they miss by not coming

I know. :-\

I know I'm prejudiced, but if I could only attend one match per year this one would be it and I attend some really outstanding matches; the GAF Grand Muster and the AZSA World Championships come to mind. The camaraderie, the food, the format; I think it's worth the work I put in. I just wish I could share it with more people.
Title: Re: 2014 Department of Missouri Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on August 01, 2013, 07:17:29 pm
Everybody bring a box of .45 Colt!   8)
I have 550+ rounds on hand. I also have a .50 Cal ammo box full of empties and will reload all winter to make sure we have enough! :o ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: 2014 Department of Missouri Muster
Post by: G.W. Strong on August 03, 2013, 11:36:00 am
I know. :-\

I know I'm prejudiced, but if I could only attend one match per year this one would be it and I attend some really outstanding matches; the GAF Grand Muster and the AZSA World Championships come to mind. The camaraderie, the food, the format; I think it's worth the work I put in. I just wish I could share it with more people.

I agree. This is the best match of any type I ave ever attended. Others need to experience it as well.
Title: Re: 2014 Department of Missouri Muster
Post by: River City John on August 03, 2013, 05:54:00 pm
Col. Pitsptr,

Need to know, will the Gatling be shot as a side match on Friday, or will it appear in one of the main stages Saturday and Sunday?

If side match, I'll need to start campaigning now (read, bugging my Manager) for additional time absent in June.

RCJ
Title: Re: 2014 Department of Missouri Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on August 03, 2013, 07:57:39 pm
Why don't you "start campaigning" now anyway ;)

Actually right now I'm thinking about using it to defend Fort Scotsman.
Title: Re: 2014 Department of Missouri Muster
Post by: Texas Lawdog on August 04, 2013, 01:07:17 am
Jerry does put on a good get together and Del's food is outstanding. Seeing old friends and meeting new ones is great as well.
Title: Re: 2014 Department of Missouri Muster
Post by: Delmonico on August 04, 2013, 08:18:34 pm
I'm thinking about bringing up a small water smoker next year, plus some good fruit wood.  The smoker ain't 100% correct looking but the methods are and the food is very good. 

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Smoker/Picture028_zps19ac1c5e.jpg) (http://s72.photobucket.com/user/Delmonico_1885/media/Smoker/Picture028_zps19ac1c5e.jpg.html)

I'm playing with rubs, I ain't done this in years, wife sure likes it.  Leftovers would be good in red flannel hash.
Title: Re: 2014 Department of Missouri Muster
Post by: cpt dan blodgett on September 11, 2013, 10:25:45 pm
Sounds like a hoot!!

Investigated Airfares on SWA to Omaha.  Looks like a shade under $450 from Phoenix, non-stop early bird check-in guaranteeing aisle seat.  Fly in Thursday land Omaha 2ish, Fly out Monday PM 3ish.

What time do festivities start on Friday? 

I can probably stay at Offut AFB Guest house Thursday and Sunday Nights

We shall see what things look like after the first of the year.  I may even be able to Car Pool with Bow View Haymaker if I can get sufficient time off to make the drive.
Title: Re: 2014 Department of Missouri Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on September 12, 2013, 06:24:48 am
What time do festivities start on Friday? 
We start the Expansion Era Match around 08:00. The long range match is in the afternoon & evening.

I never like to "volunteer' anybody, but there's usually someone coming from or through Omaha that you might be able to share a ride with. If you get into Omaha around 2:00 you still should be able to get to Sargent by 7:30 or 8:00 pretty easily.
Title: Re: 2014 Department of Missouri Muster
Post by: cpt dan blodgett on September 12, 2013, 08:11:11 pm
Was not sure if Camping Facilities were avail Thurs Night who knows.  If it is anything like Montana it is still light enough to stack hay until 9 - 10 PM, learned that well summer of 71 after I got home from RVN.  Change sprinkler Line, eat dinner and work 3 -4 more hours.
Title: Re: 2014 Department of Missouri Muster
Post by: Delmonico on September 12, 2013, 08:53:22 pm
Was not sure if Camping Facilities were avail Thurs Night who knows. 

Most are in by Thursday night, heck I bet if you came on Monday Jerry would let you camp. ;D  I do supper Thursday night and I can have food Thursday noon morning or even Wed evening if anyone wants.  ;D  I tend to arrive on Wed afternoon.

Title: Re: 2014 Department of Missouri Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on September 13, 2013, 04:57:26 am
...heck I bet if you came on Monday Jerry would let you camp. ;D 
Yep.

I might put you to work though. ;)
Title: Re: 2014 Department of Missouri Muster
Post by: pony express on September 13, 2013, 09:37:01 am
  If it is anything like Montana it is still light enough to stack hay until 9 - 10 PM,

That's for sure, I noticed that last year, seemed like going north from central Mo to central NE gained an hour of daylight in the evening.
Title: Re: 2014 Department of Missouri Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on September 13, 2013, 10:17:19 am
If it is anything like Montana it is still light enough to stack hay until 9 - 10 PM,
Yeah, sorry I didn't answer that. Yes, it stays pretty light until about 10:00 that time of year.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on October 08, 2013, 02:30:46 pm
If things work out we may have some interesting period entertainment inspired by accounts of the US Military on the plains and some Solomon Butcher pictures.  A friend is helping me search for the required equipment. 
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: River City John on October 08, 2013, 05:18:35 pm
Sounds like a hoot!!

Investigated Airfares on SWA to Omaha.  Looks like a shade under $450 from Phoenix, non-stop early bird check-in guaranteeing aisle seat.  Fly in Thursday land Omaha 2ish, Fly out Monday PM 3ish.

What time do festivities start on Friday? 

I can probably stay at Offut AFB Guest house Thursday and Sunday Nights

We shall see what things look like after the first of the year.  I may even be able to Car Pool with Bow View Haymaker if I can get sufficient time off to make the drive.
If you're coming in to Omaha and need a place to stay, let me know.
That goes for anyone coming through Omaha and needing a sleep over spot before caravanning on to the Muster.
Heck, we'll even feed ya!

RCJ
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Sam Perfye on October 09, 2013, 08:31:44 pm
To all, not to be outdone by RCJ (a nefarious scroundrel so I'm told) anyone traveling from the east is welcome to bivouac at Pine Hollow in central Ia. on thier way to the muster. The Iowa contingent will be departing camp on Wed. morning. Looking forward to seeing everyone then. Al.  Post Script-- meals are available, I may not know what it is, but there will be plenty of it. Al.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: River City John on October 15, 2013, 07:55:22 pm
Plan now everyone.

I'd like to see Grand Muster 2014 the best attended of 'em all!

RCJ
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on October 16, 2013, 12:41:11 am
Hallo the fire!

This is great news.   I so wish I could have made it this past year, the grand muter too. But life has a way of getting in the way.

for those wondering, I am still alive, and (I hope) still fit for service.  Lots of life changes these past months. 

I do hope and plan on making the trek back to good Ol' Nebraska next summer for this great event. 

I miss the Nebraska sky and Del's cookin', and everyone else too. And the shooting. 

I am going to start making plans now.

Does anyone know of or have a good wedge tent to sell? and (let's see) I'll need a haversak, and canteen strap, and maybe a .45-70 mills belt and,.......
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on October 16, 2013, 10:13:18 am
Plan now everyone.
I'd like to see Grand Muster 2014 the best attended of 'em all!

Me too! With some of the things that are planned (I'm planning for at least one new target and Ned is planning at least one new prop) and the fact that it's the 10th Anniversary of the 1st Grand Muster, I intend to see that it's one of the most memorable.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Sam Perfye on October 16, 2013, 08:21:41 pm
Jerry, if there is anything I can do to help, please let me know. I've missed too many of these fine events and it won;t happen again. Between Dels cookin' and the sea stories I'm getting the shakes just thinking of what I've missed. Looking foward to seeing everyone in June. Al.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on October 17, 2013, 08:20:27 am
Thanks Al
I'll keep that in mind. Right now all that I can think of to ask you for is that you and Dutch each bring at least one new participant with you. Like River City John said,
I'd like to see Grand Muster 2014 the best attended of 'em all!
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Stu Kettle on October 17, 2013, 09:33:02 am
Saw my doctor yesterday - he doesn't see any reason I wouldn't be up to it by June.  I said that's good to hear because I plan to be there.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on October 17, 2013, 10:17:22 am
I'm so glad to hear it. I think about you often and you'll be in my prayers until well after you get the all clear test results.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on October 21, 2013, 08:39:59 pm
Congratulations to River City John. Official 2014 International Grand Muster registrant #1!
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on October 24, 2013, 06:39:56 pm
Secured the banquet Hall this evening. Rattlesnake Jack will be familiar with it, the Comstock Lodge which is just about 1 mile east of the range as the crow flies. It is a very nice venue.

http://www.comstocklodge.com/ (http://www.comstocklodge.com/)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Stu Kettle on October 24, 2013, 06:57:41 pm
Never been there but I've heard its a nice place.  Will they let our Cook in their kitchen?
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on October 25, 2013, 04:43:46 am
Will they let our Cook in their kitchen?
Well, actually, they're feeding us for that meal. I'm gonna make Delmonico get cleaned up and dressed up like a real person and join us. :o ;) ;D
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: River City John on October 25, 2013, 05:24:33 am
Well, actually, they're feeding us for that meal. I'm gonna make Delmonico get cleaned up and dressed up like a real person and join us. :o ;) ;D

Excellent!
(As long as he doesn't scare the children or spook the horses when he's all dressed up and slicked down.)
RCJ
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on October 25, 2013, 08:10:05 am
(As long as he doesn't scare the children or spook the horses when he's all dressed up and slicked down.)
He might that, I saw a picture of him cleaned up one time and he looked a little like Snidely Whiplash.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on October 25, 2013, 10:01:47 am
He might that, I saw a picture of him cleaned up one time and he looked a little like Snidely Whiplash.

I have that one somewhere, this is newer, the rotunda at the state capital, one of my daughters got married there.  We got there early for pictures and when they were done with me I wandered around.  Ended up walking around with some tourists for a bit and showing the place off, LOL they thought I was a docent.  Also went to the gift shop and the lady there and I ended up looking through John Cater's Solomon Butcher book and I was showing her things in it I had noticed.   ;)

(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/wedding/PICT0595.jpg) (http://s72.photobucket.com/user/Delmonico_1885/media/wedding/PICT0595.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: 1961MJS on October 25, 2013, 11:12:11 am
He might that, I saw a picture of him cleaned up one time and he looked a little like Snidely Whiplash.

Hi

I'll give you Snidely Whiplash, but he needs to walk less upright...   :D

Later
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on November 18, 2013, 03:24:55 pm
I have re-loaded every piece of .45 Colt I own (several thousand) in anticipation of feeding the Gatling Gun.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on November 19, 2013, 07:46:20 am
Jerry or anyone else, help remind me to ask anyone who has an extra large insulated jug, to bring it if they have room.  We may want more than my two with the extra people there.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Stu Kettle on November 19, 2013, 09:29:19 am
Jerry or anyone else, help remind me to ask anyone who has an extra large insulated jug, to bring it if they have room.  We may want more than my two with the extra people there.

I always bring one.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: River City John on November 19, 2013, 05:06:48 pm
I'll bring mine along with the plain canvas sack to hide that day-glo orange . . .

Rcj
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on November 19, 2013, 05:32:38 pm
I'm going to build covers for mine this winter, gonna do quilted and see if they stay cool longer, can't hurt.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: River City John on November 19, 2013, 05:42:30 pm
Will you need the big coffee boiler?

RCJ
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on November 19, 2013, 07:15:13 pm
Don't have a giant one, mine's only 3 gallon.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on November 19, 2013, 07:40:13 pm
I have two 32 cup and 3 20 cup ones and with summer I'm well covered on that, in 2009 at Fort Hartsuff I had one 32 and  two 20's and Paul brought his 32.  We were well covered only I should have brought mostly pre-ground cause we gave Rick's arm a work out.


(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/Ft%20Hartsuff%202009/PICT9419.jpg) (http://s72.photobucket.com/user/Delmonico_1885/media/Ft%20Hartsuff%202009/PICT9419.jpg.html)

BTW I brought 7.5 pounds that weekend and we had to get extra and ended up going through about 9 pounds.



The insulated jugs are the only thing I can think of being short on. 
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: MUD MARINE on November 22, 2013, 12:00:34 pm
What's the address?   :D
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Stu Kettle on November 22, 2013, 12:15:07 pm
What's the address?   :D

It's past the end of Pit Spit Lane just a little northeast of Sargent Nebraska.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on November 22, 2013, 12:31:45 pm
What's the address?   :D
45551 Rd 816
Coordinates to my mailbox:
 41°39'17.40"N    99°20'12.01"W
The site is a little over 1 mile north of my mailbox
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on November 22, 2013, 04:23:19 pm
When you get to the top of the rise north of the house make a hard right turn, don't wait to long either. ;) 
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on November 22, 2013, 05:48:47 pm
Turn right on the first gravel road north of Sargent. As you proceed down the gravel road, scan the ridge to your left for a large open area with one lone tree standing at the top of the ridge. That's where the camp is.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: River City John on November 22, 2013, 05:57:04 pm
"Follow the cigar smoke and look for the fat man there."  ;D

RCJ
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on November 22, 2013, 06:18:27 pm
"Follow the cigar smoke and look for the fat man there."  ;D

RCJ


Which one?
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Stu Kettle on November 23, 2013, 07:05:48 am

Which one?


Any of us'll do.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on December 06, 2013, 10:13:32 am
How many artillery piece owners are planning on coming to the GM?
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on January 08, 2014, 06:18:03 pm
Sanctioned AZSA match will be held Sunday afternoon and Monday. Entry fees for the GM will get you registered for both matches. See the AZSA thread:  http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,50874.new.html#new (http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,50874.new.html#new)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Sam Perfye on January 15, 2014, 09:05:30 pm
Jerry, what arms and accourterments would be appropriate for an AZSA match? Should have the time, not sure if I have the right weaponry. Be interested in watching if nothing else. Thanks, Al.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on January 15, 2014, 09:09:08 pm
Jerry, what arms and accourterments would be appropriate for an AZSA match? Should have the time, not sure if I have the right weaponry. Be interested in watching if nothing else. Thanks, Al.

Not sure but dang you'd think a 30-30 and a model 10 Smith & Wesson would work, get ya a pair of lace up work boots, a pair of bibs and a flannel shirt and be a moonshiner.  (OK I think this came up in one of our camp fire sessions one time.)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on January 15, 2014, 10:27:27 pm
I think the guys in Colorado only allow "pistol" calibers in their main match, due to close range steel targets, but Pitspitr can set it up different I suppose. The usual thing seems to be a Thompson and a 1911, but they say anything pre-1949. There was some talk about M-1 Carbines, but I don't know if anyone has been able to get one to function within our velocity limitations.

Del's idea is a good one, just bring something a farmer from the 1930s might have. While it wouldn't be very competitive, due to six shot capacity, I have a Marlin pump in 25-20 that seems to be something that might have been leaning behind the door of some farmhouse in the thirties. And a S&W 32-20 that I can't use in any other CAS type shooting that I have done.....
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on January 16, 2014, 06:26:54 am
Sam P.
Pony Express and Delmonico gave such good answers that I don't know if I can really add anything...but I'll try

AZSA started as a bunch of IPSC shooters that had some Thompsons at home and came up with a way to play with them, similarly to the SASS started. I know you have guns that will work. The Thompson and the 1911 are the most used firearms, but I've seen Sumi's (sp?), bren's and lots of lever guns. My striker uses his '73, his Schofield and his pump Marlin 19 though he'd be better off using my 1911 or my S&W Model 5. At Byers you have to shoot pistol caliber rifles but can use jacketed bullets and no full auto. Some places allow full auto. (I will but only if you let me put a few rounds through it  ;) :o ;D ) The reason I waited so long to announce the match was that I wanted to make sure it was ok with the powers that be if I didn't run it exactly the way the matches I've attended at Byers were ran. I'm planning on using mostly steel targets with a few cardboard IPSC targets thrown in.

As far as clothes go I wear a pair of bibs, a Henley or a chambray shirt and a beat up old felt hat or a newsboy cap. I've seen everything from cowboy clothes to a 1930's State Patrol to double breasted, pinstriped suits with fedora's Think The Untouchables, Bonnie & Clyde, Legend's of the Fall or You Know My Name.

Don't be afraid to visit the Zoot Shooters forum and ask questions. http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/board,108.0.html (http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/board,108.0.html) They're a friendly bunch. There's a thread called "For New AZSA Zoot Shooters" which contains the answers to questions I asked before I attended my first match. http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,44871.0.html (http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,44871.0.html) I was one of the earliest members (#16L) but had never been able to attend a match until 2 years ago.

Here's some video from last fall in Byres

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6f09huxq70[/youtube]
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Stu Kettle on January 16, 2014, 06:39:25 am
I'll have to get a new pair if overalls - I bought a pair for last years planned event, but I've lost about 100 lbs since then.

I have a 1911 & plan to take Jerry up on his offer to shoot his Thompson, but if it's still smoking from the guy before me my '92 will do fine.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on January 16, 2014, 08:08:13 am
...but I've lost about 100 lbs since then.

 :o
I seem to have found some of it. I'd be happy to give it back. ;)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Stu Kettle on January 16, 2014, 08:27:02 am
Thanks but I still have more than my share ::)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on January 16, 2014, 09:05:18 am
:o
I seem to have found some of it. I'd be happy to give it back. ;)

Most likely it was that 3rd helping of meatloaf I was looking for to put away.  LOL
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Sam Perfye on January 16, 2014, 06:37:46 pm
Thanks guys, looks like I'll throw a few more irons in the truck before I head out. This might even be an excuse to pick up a new toy(or two). See ya'll in June. On a side note, confirmed one more besides Tom and I and we're working on three others to bring with us. Al.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on January 16, 2014, 07:31:39 pm
Pitspitr, will you be allowing rifle calibers?(loaded down appropriately of course)?
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on January 17, 2014, 06:26:51 am
Pitspitr, will you be allowing rifle calibers?(loaded down appropriately of course)?
Well it wouldn't make much sense to allow them for the GAF portion of the weekend but not the AZSA part. ::) So, yes, provided they meet the same specs as for GAF ei. lead bullets weighing less than 405 grs and moving at less than 1400 fps
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: cpt dan blodgett on January 21, 2014, 08:38:42 pm
If I had bullets brass and dies the 1905 Win 35 SL I have in the safe might be just the rifle for the AZSA match.  Don't have a period DA revolver but do have a 1911 not sure if that is legal or not.  Would probably help to have a multiple mags for the 1905 win or a really long one.

Given all that is already scheduled for 2014 as much as I would like to, don't see myself making the trip, could always hit the lotto and retire early but...
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on January 22, 2014, 06:50:11 am
Don't have a period DA revolver but do have a 1911 not sure if that is legal or not.

As long as the 1911 isn't all "tricked out" with things like a funnel magazine well skeletonized trigger or extended beavertails. It would be legal in AZSA AND the Era of Expansion match.

Given all that is already scheduled for 2014 as much as I would like to, don't see myself making the trip,
I'm Sorry to hear that.  :'( Don't rule it out yet though, something might come up so that you can. If not then next year...
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on January 22, 2014, 02:20:55 pm
The Registration form should show up on the GAF website in a day or 2. In the mean time I'm attaching it here
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Dalton Masterson on January 28, 2014, 03:14:03 pm
Pitspitr,
How many are signed up so far?
DM
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Stu Kettle on January 28, 2014, 03:25:53 pm
I just printed a copy of the registration form but probably won't send it till spring.  Does the match fee include a banquet ticket for the shooter?

Will Del be serving lunch on Sunday?  That would make 9 meals if I show up for supper on Thursday (& I plan to) & stay till Sunday afternoon (& I plan to).
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on January 28, 2014, 07:00:35 pm
Dalton; So far only 3 officially, but expecting around 30.

Stu; Yes the banquet ticket is included and Del will be here through Monday. He has committed to cooking for the Zoot match too.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on January 28, 2014, 07:48:30 pm
I most likely won't leave till Tuesday morning anyway, that is if Jerry will let me sit on his hill one more night. ;)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on January 28, 2014, 09:37:07 pm
Well, he hasn't run you off so far....
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on February 18, 2014, 05:19:13 pm
OK, we may have to go by the book this year.   ;D



Nothing is more certain to secure endurance and capability of long-continued effort than the avoidance of everything as a drink except cold water (and coffee at breakfast). Drink as little as possible of even cold water. Experience teaches old soldiers that, the less they drink on a march the better, and that they suffer less in the end by controlling the desire to drink, however urgent.

From:  MANUAL
FOR
ARMY COOKS
PREPARED UNDER THE DIRECTION
OF THE
COMMISSARY GENERAL OF SUBSISTENCE.


PUBLISHED BY AUTHORITY OF THE SECRETARY OF WAR
FOR USE IN THE
ARMY OF THE UNITED STATES.

WASHINGTON:
GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE.
1896.


Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Stu Kettle on February 18, 2014, 05:34:07 pm
I think I'll go by a different book - one that says drink lots of water to maintain hydration.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: River City John on February 18, 2014, 06:18:28 pm
I'll bet that same manual prescribes treating frostbite by rubbing briskly with snow. ::)




RCJ
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Stu Kettle on February 18, 2014, 06:30:06 pm
Well that too, I was thinking after supper when I read that.


It clearly says " long-continued effort" and "on a march" which leads me to think after supper would be the time to make up for all that abstinence during the day's march  ;)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on February 18, 2014, 09:22:18 pm
This might make an interesting dessert for supper.  May want to move camp a bit more south west. ;D

STEWED PRUNES.

Wash and pick over the prunes, rejecting imperfect ones; put them to soak over night in the water (cold) they are to be cooked in, using only enough water to cover them. Put the prunes on the fire where they can just simmer during three hours (prunes require longer cooking than other dried fruits because of their thick skin). Do not let them boil, nor use a vessel of iron. Keep them closely covered. If carefully cooked they present a plump appearance and are not broken or burst (this defect gives them a slovenly look, the reverse of appetizing). As the prune contains much sugar, more should not be added; the fruit taste is more prominent without additional sugar. If, however, in-creased sweetness is desired, the sugar should not be added till about five minutes before taking off the fire.


Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on February 19, 2014, 09:34:02 pm
But this is also the same Army that considered fresh bread as unsuitable for the troops, so they set it out for a day before using. Considered more healthy that way?? But I also understand that officers got fresh, I guess they could handle the "unhealthy" fresh bread.

Back to water, in French Foreign Legion, when on the march, they were supposed to wear the canteen with the belt gear over the canteen straps, so they couldn't easily drink between rest breaks. May have had more to do with conserving water in the desert than anything else, though.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on March 30, 2014, 04:07:19 pm
Congratulations to MSGT S.H. Long! The latest Registrant for the GAF Grand Muster.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on March 31, 2014, 09:21:01 am
When we put out the match flyer with the information on motels, I forgot the new convention center in Broken Bow (about 30 miles)

http://www.staycobblestone.com/ne/broken-bow/ (http://www.staycobblestone.com/ne/broken-bow/)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Capt. Montgomery Little on April 06, 2014, 04:54:24 pm
As of this minute Bro. Rope and I are planning to attend. Considering the location of the Muster as to it's  remoteness and those who have already confirmed their attendance, I feel that the presence of the Senior Chaplain is a must to keep things in a relative state of sobriety. Remember also that the consumption of spirits without offering a wee nip to the two head Scotsmen will be quite seriously frowned upon.

 The Lord's Obedient Servant, LTC Montgomery Little, GAF Senior Chaplain
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on April 06, 2014, 05:32:26 pm
Beware of the heathen drink these miscreants make known as "The Gun Shoot thingy Cocktail." ::)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: River City John on April 06, 2014, 06:09:48 pm
Beware of the heathen drink these miscreants make known as "The Gun Shoot thingy Cocktail." ::)

This was originally concocted as a gun cleaner, but some Irishman in desperate need re-purposed it.

RCJ
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on April 06, 2014, 07:11:25 pm
Considering the location of the Muster as to it's  remoteness and those who have already confirmed their attendance, I feel that the presence of the Senior Chaplain is a must to keep things in a relative state of sobriety.
Given the number of early registrants you may have your work cut out for you.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Quick Fire on April 07, 2014, 12:28:03 pm
Pitspitr, I'm going to plan on attending. Have some questions tho. Scouts can only shoot pistol caliber lever guns? Guess that leaves out my 76. :(
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Dalton Masterson on April 07, 2014, 12:37:31 pm
Shoot it in the militia class?!

5-Militia-Lever action and/or civilian spec repeaters, rifle calibers. Any GAF approved handgun.


GAF Class Structure..
http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,17271.0.html


DM
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on April 07, 2014, 01:45:11 pm
Scout refers to the shooting category not the persona. As Dalton said if you want to shoot your '76 you will shoot in the militia class.

I will dress as a officer of the staff, but will shoot in the Marksman class, not the Staff officer class.

Really glad to hear you're planning to join us!
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Dalton Masterson on April 07, 2014, 03:02:56 pm
Howdy Pitspitr. Is there a black powder scout class or are they all lumped together?
DM
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on April 07, 2014, 08:04:15 pm
Anybody asks me, I just tell them if it's a cartridge rifle made before 1900, we can find a category for it(.22 excepted, of course)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on April 07, 2014, 08:06:51 pm
Scout class? Considering the picture I got today I would have thought you would be thinking Rifleman.

I have to double check but I think we can offer both BP and Smokeless as long are enough entries in both.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Drydock on April 07, 2014, 08:22:25 pm
ANY class may be split BP/Smokeless should numbers warrent.   Marksman and Rifleman WILL be split.  If we have two or more shooters in any class loaded with BP, then there will be a BP subclass.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Dalton Masterson on April 07, 2014, 09:36:23 pm
Alrighty!!!
Did you like that pic, Pitspitr? I will have to get it sized and posted. Its what proper firearms should show.... ;)
DM
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on April 08, 2014, 06:17:45 am
Thanks Drydock. I didn't remember if we lumped all civilian firearms together in their class without regards for the powder they were using or not.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on April 16, 2014, 09:59:11 am
Yesterday a new target arrived.

http://store.actiontarget.com/pt-turn-swing.html (http://store.actiontarget.com/pt-turn-swing.html)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: River City John on April 16, 2014, 03:54:09 pm
Our targets move around enough as it is.






RCJ
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Stu Kettle on April 16, 2014, 04:32:10 pm
Our targets move around enough as it is.

The trick is to pull the trigger as the target wobbles by in front of the sights.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on April 17, 2014, 04:32:17 am
Well, I figure that if the front sight is moving back and forth and the target is moving back and forth too the target should be easier to hit, right?  ::) ::)

 ;) ;D
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Stu Kettle on April 17, 2014, 06:19:33 am
You would think so, but my front sight wobbles up & down as much as it does back & forth
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on April 17, 2014, 08:33:23 am
Somehow I don't think your front sight wobbles very much  8)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: RattlesnakeJack on April 17, 2014, 02:00:54 pm
Will there be extra credit if we manage to hit that one edge-on?   :-\   ;D
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on April 17, 2014, 03:56:25 pm
Will there be extra credit if we manage to hit that one edge-on?   :-\   ;D

I'll give you an extra helping of cobbler. ;)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: RattlesnakeJack on April 17, 2014, 09:50:27 pm
I'll give you an extra helping of cobbler. ;)

Beyond the 'seconds' and 'thirds' I usually help myself to?   ;D
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on April 18, 2014, 07:33:50 am
Beyond the 'seconds' and 'thirds' I usually help myself to?   ;D

Yep. ;D
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Stu Kettle on April 18, 2014, 09:02:41 am
Just fair warnin' I expect to have a much better appitite than last year, extra cobbler may be required.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on April 18, 2014, 10:01:29 am
Just fair warnin' I expect to have a much better appitite than last year, extra cobbler may be required.

I'm in the process of developing a new form that may kill anyone who goes for more, it is that good. :o

Apple with a sour cream and raisin crust. 
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: G.W. Strong on April 22, 2014, 01:26:32 pm
Where do I find the registration form? I want to register my son and I?
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on April 22, 2014, 09:17:36 pm
Where do I find the registration form? I want to register my son and I?

www.grandarmyofthefrontier.org Go to the dispatches page.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Ol Gabe on April 23, 2014, 09:29:43 am
Yummy!
The heck with registration forms, when is Del gonna publish the 'official' GAF Muster cookbook? I can't help but think it'll be a best seller overnight for any Mil-history buff and his Cookie!
Best regards and good eating!
'Ol Gabe
P.S. Del we have made something similar to your apple, sour cream and raisins but with handpicked wild rhubarb, double yummy, it'll make any Dutch Oven smile!
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Guns Garrett on April 23, 2014, 09:16:32 pm
All,
Due to health issues, I am sorry to inform you that Penny and I will NOT be attending the next Muster this summer.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: River City John on April 24, 2014, 05:33:44 pm
All,
Due to health issues, I am sorry to inform you that Penny and I will NOT be attending the next Muster this summer.

Don't like hearing that, Dave. Let's hope things get better. You and Penny will surely be missed.

RCJ
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: RattlesnakeJack on April 24, 2014, 09:21:43 pm
Dave:  I don't like hearing that, either!   You two take care, please!

I was hoping there would be a veritable British Empire "contingent" numbering as many as four at this Muster, with you and I as the "old campaigners", plus Ned and his new Australian mounted infantry impressions, and Garry James as a British officer .....

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Internet%20stickies/british-flag-waving-buddy-icon.gif)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Major Matt Lewis on May 14, 2014, 11:10:22 am
Wow...has it really been 10 years.  I remember when I put the first one together.  I thought it would largely be a "one -off" but then did it the 2nd year too and made it better.  I am so glad to see my baby growing up....Thank you Jerry for running with it and I REALLY wish I could make it this year, but alas, I am still campaigning in Afghanistan.  I will be home in the fall.

Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on May 14, 2014, 12:41:05 pm
... I REALLY wish I could make it this year, but alas, I am still campaigning in Afghanistan.

I wish you could too Richard! I think you'd really enjoy some of the things we're going to be doing this summer.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on May 19, 2014, 09:22:57 pm
I've added a personal equipment checklist and a FAQ sheet to the original post.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Dalton Masterson on May 19, 2014, 11:07:38 pm
Nice list Sir!!!! Very helpful in remembering what I need to remember!
DM
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on May 28, 2014, 09:12:31 pm
Two more paydays before the Muster. Planning on sending registration out with Friday the 6th dispatches.

Edit:
Or maybe a couple of days before, so as to arrive there about the same time payday arrives.......
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on May 29, 2014, 09:51:23 am
I've received official confirmation that several vendors will be in attendance.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Drydock on May 29, 2014, 07:38:59 pm
Should have mine in the mail next payday!
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Gripmaker on May 31, 2014, 08:08:20 pm
Got a round count question!  How many are needed for the 300 yd/meter long range side match. Trying to decide whether or not I should order some more 44WCF cases.  Just got a red squiggly under 44WCF. Are these computers so stupid that they don't know
what that is? Time to go back to hand-set phones and memorizing the math tables. What is this world coming to?

Aghast with incredulity, LTC Montgomery Little, GAF Senior Chaplain

PS: Now there is a red squiggly under LTC and GAF. A bullet has just been cast with an" HP" on it.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on May 31, 2014, 09:52:49 pm
10 rounds for score. However many sighters you want.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on June 04, 2014, 10:58:50 am
Another question came up regarding round count. If you intend to shoot one of the 1-gun classes (Forager, Infantry, or Staff Officer) be sure to bring enough ammunition to engage ALL targets, not just the pistol targets. If one of the rifle targets is too far away for you to hit it with your shotgun you will move forward until you can.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Drydock on June 04, 2014, 08:54:01 pm
Forager is a 2 gun class, revolver and shotgun.  Staff Officer (handgun) and Infantry (Rifle) are the one gun classes.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Quick Fire on June 04, 2014, 08:56:40 pm
Just filled out my registation and will get it to the Pony Express tomorrow.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on June 04, 2014, 09:03:53 pm
Forager is a 2 gun class, revolver and shotgun.  Staff Officer (handgun) and Infantry (Rifle) are the one gun classes.
OOPS! Yeah, you're right. :-[
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: G.W. Strong on June 05, 2014, 10:54:43 am
I just sent in registration for myself and my son

You list should now be:
Pitspitr            BP Rifleman
Ned Neiderlander      Smokeless Marksman
Major G.W. Strong   Staff Officer
Dalton Masterson      BP Scout
Lonnie Meyer         BP Scout(?)
Col. Montgomery Little      Scout
Scruffy Skippy         Militia
Dusty Tagalon         Smokeless Marksman
Garry James         Smokeless Marksman
River City John         Smokeless Marksman
Cactus Rope         Scout
MSGT SH Long         Staff Officer
Bijou Blade                 Scout
Tolinka            Ladies Scout
Stu Kettle                 Scout
Bat Masterson         Smokeless Marksman
Sam Perfye         BP Rifleman
Rattlesnake Jack Robson   BP Rifleman
Tom Snow                 Smokeless Marksman
C. E. Strong              Smokeless Marksman


That cracks the 20 mark!
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on June 05, 2014, 11:31:24 am
I just sent in registration for myself and my son...
...That cracks the 20 mark!
Awesome!
Yeah, I really think we're going to be pushing 30!
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on June 05, 2014, 04:22:17 pm
Might even have to run two squads.....or maybe platoons??
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Drydock on June 05, 2014, 09:11:08 pm
Sent mine out today.  I'll be shooting Infantry this year.  Unless I'm the only one.  Might change back to Marksman if so.  I'll bring the PPS for the Zoot match.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: G.W. Strong on June 06, 2014, 03:17:02 pm
I really have no idea what to do for the zoot match. I have a 1911 and a m1 carbine but my loads for it are iffy. I have no clothing that would be appropriate.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on June 06, 2014, 04:43:11 pm
You don't have cowboy or wild bunch guns?  Do you have a Henley or a white cotton button up shirt or a chambray shirt and bib overalls or dungarees and a beat up nondescript hat?  You don't have to dress like a gangster or a g-man. How about being a WWI veteran? There are lots of options.

Last year on the way home from the World's championship at Byers the waterpump on my pickup went out  and rather than get my good clothes greasey I changed into the clothes I'd shot in. The guy st the parts store  suggested that he had a mule out back that I could use to plow the south 40 with  ;)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on June 06, 2014, 05:07:38 pm
I don't really have a plan for the Zoot either...I thought before about just being a farmer and shooting my Marlin pump 25-20, but then, it might not knock anything down, and I don't have enough brass to hit all the targets 3 times. Maybe a WWI Vet? Hmmm... Could a WWI vet shoot his war trophy Mauser 98?I know it's not competitive with a Thompson, but I don't really care about winning it anyway(like there's any chance of that), just to have fun.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on June 07, 2014, 01:24:04 pm
Maybe a WWI Vet? Hmmm... Could a WWI vet shoot his war trophy Mauser 98?I know it's not competitive with a Thompson, but I don't really care about winning it anyway(like there's any chance of that), just to have fun.
Well, not most places, but I'll allow it as long as the ammunition is loaded to GAF specs.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on June 07, 2014, 09:38:21 pm
Maybe I'll try something like that....I do have an M-1 Carbine, but I've never tried any lead bullets, and time is getting short for load development.

Oh, almost forgot, check is in the mail.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on June 09, 2014, 07:41:44 am
I've had 2 requests for lodging so far. Will anybody else that will be camping with us need a tent or something to stay in or is everybody else bringing their own?
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: River City John on June 09, 2014, 08:54:08 am
Bringing a new tent. Still in the box.

Gonna be interesting figuring out the proper way to set it up. 'course, I never seem to do things the proper way.


RCJ



p.s. Delmonico, do you still want me to bring the big orange cooler?
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Stu Kettle on June 09, 2014, 10:06:20 am
I'm bringing my tent, but I would like to borrow a couple of your teepee poles if you're not planning to set up the teepee.

& I will be bringing an orange cooler. Found a bag I can cover it with.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Bat 2919 on June 09, 2014, 11:20:22 am
Just a quick note about costumes for the Zoot match.  In an attempt to keep it from becoming a military reenactment sport (not that I think that’s bad) Hustler prohibited all military uniforms.  I convinced him to revise that to allow military uniforms if they had a relationship to the prohibition era.  Some examples would be Coast Guard, RCMP or Mexican Federalies.  If you want to wear a 20s or 30s uniform please be creative with your back story. 

On the other hand AZSA costumes are really easy.  Just about any Good Will store (you may have to hit more than one) will provide most everything you need.  A bit oversized suit (single or double breasted, with or without a vest, the wider the lapels the better) will be great.  If you’re going to wear a tie with that suit remember to tie it short so it ends at about mid stomach.
 
How about knickers, very popular in the 20’s and not just for golf but that’s a great AZSA costume as well.  If you can’t find knickers any loose fitting pants bloused just below the knee with a big rubber band will give you the look.  Hang them from a pair of suspenders (even I can sew buttons on a pair of pants) and you’re good to go. 

Button up shirts and sweaters were popular but t shirts weren’t.  As a matter of fact what the kids today call a “wife beater” was the t shirt style of choice in that time but it was also rare for someone to go out of the house in just this shirt. 
 
Everyone wore a hat and the first thing everyone thinks about is the fedora, but remember, the snap brim (driver style) hats were almost as popular.  In the west the cowboy hat never gave way to the fedora.  How about a straw boater or skimmer, this was the summer time hat of choice for many a man in the 20s and 30s.

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on June 09, 2014, 11:24:35 am
Outstanding reply Bat! Thanks!
I wasn't aware of the Uniform prohibition so I'm glad you pointed that out! Not that I own a 1930's uniform. ;)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Bat 2919 on June 09, 2014, 12:08:13 pm
Sent mine out today.  I'll be shooting Infantry this year.  Unless I'm the only one.  Might change back to Marksman if so.  I'll bring the PPS for the Zoot match.

I’ll leave firearms decisions up to Pitsptr but AZSA rules don’t normally allow .22’s for anyone but juniors if that’s what your PPS is chambered in.  Please bring it in any case I would love to get a look at it.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Drydock on June 09, 2014, 12:10:02 pm
Frankly, as long as its not a t-shirt, shorts, sneakers and a ball cap, you can pretty much shoot in either match . . .

I suppose you could be a rather old and well armed newsboy . . .
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Drydock on June 09, 2014, 12:11:43 pm
?  The PPS-43 is a Russian Submachine gun chambered in 7.62x25.  Same as the Tokarev TT-33 I'll be pairing it with.  This one is the Radom PPS-43c semi-auto version.


http://www.classicfirearms.com/pol-pps-43c      
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Bat 2919 on June 09, 2014, 12:50:42 pm
That works!

I was thinking of the new PPS 50/22 in .22lr.

http://www.mauser.org/pps-50-22/ (http://www.mauser.org/pps-50-22/)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on June 09, 2014, 05:44:37 pm
We'll probably stay in town again, but I plan to set up my tent, if only to keep stuff in. And make the camp look more impressive, too. Suppose someone could sleep there if need be.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Sam Perfye on June 09, 2014, 06:55:22 pm
Tom and I will be arriving sometime Thur. afternoon - early evening. Won't need a tent but would like to camp next to Dusty Tagalong if possible. See Ya'll in a couple of weeks.Al.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on June 09, 2014, 07:43:46 pm
I think Dusty tends to camp in the Pump and Pantry hotel in Burwell.

At least that's where he camped last year, just a few doors down from us.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on June 09, 2014, 09:04:40 pm
He's done both in the past. Maybe he'll chime in.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Quick Fire on June 09, 2014, 09:07:40 pm
Hopefully Black Powder Militia, Pitspitr, as that's the only powder I shoot.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: RattlesnakeJack on June 09, 2014, 09:20:03 pm
Just a reminder, if you won't be camping and haven't already committed irrevocably to a motel room, that an excellent (albeit perhaps a bit more expensive) place to stay is the Comstock Premier Lodge Bed & Breakfast/ Hunting Lodge .... which is only about 1.5 miles (as the crow flies) from the Muster campground. It is maybe four miles or so around by road .... but significantly closer (and thus much quicker and more "gasoline friendly") than the 25 miles or so from either Burwell or Ord.  Another advantage is that the Saturday night banquet is being held there I understand (unless Jerry has changed that) - very convenient indeed for getting cleaned up and dressed in your finery.

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/GAF/2014%20Muster/GAFMUSTERSITE_sm_zpsf57ecdb2.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/GAF/2014%20Muster/ComstockLodge_zps41e42182.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/GAF/2014%20Muster/ComstockLodgeroom_zps60fa3250.jpg)

Don't know how the cost compares with the motels, but the regular rate is reduced to $85/night for GAF Muster participants (regularly $110 a night for any of the rooms) ... and for the particularly frugal minded - if you aren't traveling with family and don't mind sharing - there is a 4-single-bed "bunk room" (barracks ?) with an adjacent two-shower "locker room style" bathroom available for the same nightly rate -

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/GAF/2014%20Muster/Comstocklodge_bunkroom_zpsf636e0ac.jpg)

Roger and I stayed there for the 2012 Missouri Muster and very much enjoyed it.  If you were there that year, you may remember the proprietors of the Lodge coming by the Muster campsite one evening.  Garry James and I are booked there for this year, sharing a  room with two Queen beds and private bath.

..... Just sayin' .....   ;)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on June 09, 2014, 09:36:40 pm
I am bringing Big Bertha also, got the loan of her this weekend at Rock Creek Station.  No she won't destroy any Belgium forts but she will be a useful addition, she belongs to my friend Liz Zahm.

 (http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/RCS%202014/Picture068_zpsd3821d7f.jpg) (http://s72.photobucket.com/user/Delmonico_1885/media/RCS%202014/Picture068_zpsd3821d7f.jpg.html)


And my new 16 inch, Bertha is a 20 inch and weighs over 50 pounds empty.   :o

  (http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i200/Delmonico_1885/RCS%202014/Picture066_zps2fd25053.jpg) (http://s72.photobucket.com/user/Delmonico_1885/media/RCS%202014/Picture066_zps2fd25053.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: G.W. Strong on June 10, 2014, 03:54:55 pm
I will have my tent as usual but will not have extra space this year because my son will be there with me. Kit Peak camped with me last year.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Gripmaker on June 10, 2014, 07:12:43 pm
Col. Pitsptr,  Can you tell me what the average wind velocity is during June/July at your home and from what direction it comes?  Need it for a couple of calculations. Ball park figure will suffice.

LTC. Montgomery Little
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on June 10, 2014, 07:34:02 pm
I can help, any direction and from 1 mph to around 100 mph.   
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: River City John on June 10, 2014, 07:34:31 pm
Col. Pitsptr,  Can you tell me what the average wind velocity is during June/July at your home and from what direction it comes?  Need it for a couple of calculations. Ball park figure will suffice.

LTC. Montgomery Little

Gamer.



RCJ
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on June 10, 2014, 09:00:19 pm
Gamer.



RCJ

If he thinks he's going to figure that out so he can win, it ain't happening, with the way it changes speed and direction all the time, it will change 3 times before he's done shooting. ;D  Wonder how confused he'd be if we set up wind flags along the range and they were all blowing different direction.  ::)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on June 10, 2014, 09:10:00 pm
... with the way it changes speed and direction all the time, it will change 3 times before he's done shooting. ;D  Wonder how confused he'd be if we set up wind flags along the range and they were all blowing different direction.  ::)
Does that help Col.? If I could add anything to the conversation I would, but they pretty much hit it dead on.  ::)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Gripmaker on June 10, 2014, 09:40:54 pm
Sorry guys! Not trying to be a gamer but my military background constrains me to learn as much about long range conditions for the best possible shot placement. Old eyes and ladder sights on a pistol caliber rifle need lots of help at ranges beyond 200 yds.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Dalton Masterson on June 10, 2014, 10:00:11 pm
If I remember right he proved he can use his revolver for long range so is therefore limited to revolver, correct? ;)
You bringing grips along, Gripmaker?
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on June 10, 2014, 10:25:28 pm
Sorry guys! Not trying to be a gamer but my military background constrains me to learn as much about long range conditions for the best possible shot placement. Old eyes and ladder sights on a pistol caliber rifle need lots of help at ranges beyond 200 yds.

Long range can be anything from great to what a Hoover vacuum does, in other words it can suck.

However to be truthful this time of year it is often gusts and some-days you can watch and tell when it dies down, that is the best time to shoot, those few seconds the gust is down.

Funny thing is in the right conditions the range at our farm can cause a bullet to rise as it goes over an up-draft caused by the water way, moist air and a hot sun,   
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Mustang Gregg on June 10, 2014, 10:55:29 pm
Dammit, Del.  You're making me hungry.

We will try to get out to see you, if we can break away for a half day...But I'll wager we won't be able to stay for the whole Muster.
We have very pressing issues back at the ranch.
They should be putting the house on the foundation in late June.

It would be great to see you all again [and meet some of you troopers for the first time].

Mustang Gregg, MSG
[very recently "retired"]
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Gripmaker on June 11, 2014, 08:45:09 am
Dalton,  Yes, I will be bringing grips to the Muster. If anyone has an idea of what they would like to see there. please post it here so I can attempt to accommodate you.

Del,  I'm am slightly disappointed that you are not shooting since your comments show that you know things about long range shooting than most others here. Never, in all the postings I have ever read on distance shooting, have I seen anyone take into consideration the anomalies created by shooting over small bodies of water. A new level of respect has been attained.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on June 11, 2014, 10:05:35 am
I have done some, won a 3rd in the state games years ago at 300, not impressive unless you consider I whooped a bunch of guys with much better rifles with a Savage 99 in 243 with a 1X3.5 Scope in lightweight class.   

I'm going to see if I can find the right rifle maybe this winter and shoot just the long range next year, that would be easy to do and still cook as long as no one would mind me jumping in and saying I had to be next based on cooking timing.   

BTW last year it was a good thing everyone was shooting open sights, if no the mirage that had to be going on could make someone seasick, if I remember right they were having trouble spotting with optical devices.   

I am at times a hunter of sod poodles of which Jerry has none, lucky for him.   I plan on finding the time and making a trip next spring to do that again, it's been a while.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: River City John on June 11, 2014, 04:59:25 pm
   

I'm going to see if I can find the right rifle maybe this winter and shoot just the long range next year, that would be easy to do and still cook as long as no one would mind me jumping in and saying I had to be next based on cooking timing.   


I have a Vetterli converted to center fire I'll sell ya!

RCJ
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: RattlesnakeJack on June 11, 2014, 05:21:02 pm
Are you no longer using your Vetterli, John, or is this an extra one?
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: River City John on June 11, 2014, 06:18:55 pm
It's an extra one. Older model with ported breech, no cleaning rod. Chamber tolerances a bit generous so it can take any case length  10.4 X 38r round. It has a tendency to bell out the shoulder of the case a bit, but once it's fire-formed all you need to do is neck size. Good shooter, though.

The one I use is newer model, 1877, without porting and has ramrod. Built with tighter tolerances so the cartridge case looks the same after firing as it did when it went into the chamber unfired.


RCJ
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Gripmaker on June 11, 2014, 06:41:02 pm
Del,  If we both can find "96" Swedish Mausers, maybe we could put a little fun into next year's long range shoot. Could sure be a lot of fun working up to it.  See Y'all Thursday evening with the Ropemeister in tow.

LTC Montgomery Little, GAF Senior Chaplain
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on June 11, 2014, 07:11:25 pm
That was kind of my idea for what I would like to get, or possibly a Spanish Mauser.   

I will bring the Ibrik and proper coffee also. 
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Drydock on June 11, 2014, 08:16:31 pm
I remember the effects of shooting over water, the Navy does that a lot.  'Course, with the 16/50 we were more concerned with the Coriolis effect . . .   ;D
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on June 11, 2014, 10:34:09 pm
Well, if you guys are going to bring Swedish Mausers, I'll have to bring mine too, next year. Nothing against my Lebel, but I'd need to at least keep up in the equipment race!
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: RattlesnakeJack on June 12, 2014, 01:20:47 am
I, on the other hand, am regressing! 

In keeping with my circa-1870 Fenian-period Canadian Militia impression, I will be shooting a .577 Snider-Enfield - literally a muzzle-loading Enfield Rifle Musket converted to single-shot breech-loader!

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Snider-Enfield/43rd%20Battalion%203-band/blg8_1_zps66a8f92f.jpg)

 :o   Just say "No!" to the Arms Race!    ;D
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on June 12, 2014, 04:39:04 am
Isn't that kind of the British version of the American trapdoor, only with a larger cartridge? How long did the empire stay with it?
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on June 12, 2014, 06:05:48 am
Not exactly like a trapdoor, since the breechblock hinges to the side, instead of from the front. I believe Canada kept the Snyder longest, they never adopted the Martini, went straight to repeaters after the Snyder.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on June 12, 2014, 06:30:06 am
Not exactly like a trapdoor, since the breechblock hinges to the side, instead of from the front.

No, I understood that. What I meant was that it was originally a design to take advantage of leftover parts and complete muzzleloading rifles while at the same time allowing the change over to breech loaders.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Niederlander on June 12, 2014, 07:27:26 am
You're right, Jerry, it was an attempt (quite a successful one, I might add) to convert rifles already on hand, instead of going to the expense of adopting a totally new rifle.  Probably a good idea, also, in that firearms technology was advancing so rapidly that often a new design was virtually obsolete by the time it was produced and in the field.  Cost was always the over riding factor, though.  Even as late as the 1930's, the Marine Corps stayed with the 1903 instead of the M1 primarily because the Navy (who controlled the purse strings) spent all their money on battle ships and there was nothing left for new rifles.  In their defense though, in light of how well the 1903 has performed, switching to the M1 would probably have appeared largely to be change for the sake of change.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: RattlesnakeJack on June 12, 2014, 09:01:20 am
Yes, the Snider-Enfield conversion was adopted in 1866 as a practical and economical means of converting the existing stocks of tens of thousands of muzzle-loading .577 Enfield rifles to breech-loaders.  It was intended merely as a stop-gap expedient pending adoption of a "purpose-built" breech-loader . i.e. the Martini-Henry rifle which went into production about 1871 (although the final version of the Mark I M-H wasn't approved until 1874).  Because of the Fenian threat, Canada was the first part of the Empire to have its military forces fully re-armed with the Snider - i.e. by the end of 1867 - but then we stuck with it as our primary-issue military rifle far longer than any other part of the Empire - we finally began replacing it with the Magazine Lee-Enfield rifle in 1896/97!  In that respect the Snider-Enfield is unquestionably the quintessential Canadian military breech-loading rifle of the 19th century .... the reason I am "regressing" to it from my usual Martini-Henry ....

(http://members.memlane.com/gromboug/snidr01.jpg)

(http://members.memlane.com/gromboug/snidr02.jpg)

Jacob Snider, the inventor of the conversion system (which won out over quite a few other designs submitted at the request of the War Department,) was an American by the way;  he ended up dying in poverty in Britain in mid-1866 while struggling to get monetary compensation from the British government.  They finally paid what most consider to be a wholly inadequate sum to his widow ....

http://www.enfield-snider.com/Snider.htm (http://www.enfield-snider.com/Snider.htm)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on June 12, 2014, 09:13:08 am
Well you won't be far from a center for those dang Fenians when you are at Camp Pitspiter. ::)

http://www.cityofoneill.com/history.htm
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: RattlesnakeJack on June 12, 2014, 10:54:47 am
Well, they'll have to watch out for the Canadian Militia just like they had to back in the day ....

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Fenian%20Raids/Battle_of_Eccles_Hill_zps8fe37e66.jpg)

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/Fenian%20Raids/a7791d57-ed15-4b8e-8fa1-c42615e03f17_zpseb5d1bbe.jpg)

 ;) .... only joshin' of course!

Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Dalton Masterson on June 12, 2014, 12:39:00 pm
I see it in the future history books now... The Canadian Incursion of 2014....
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Drydock on June 12, 2014, 04:49:20 pm
Yeah, well, the future history ain't what it used to be . . .
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pay Dirt Norvelle on June 12, 2014, 04:57:36 pm
I was in my local gun shop and they had a Snider conversion for sale.  I couldn't buy it as I had just bought a Krag and the money supply was a bit on the thin side.    ::)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on June 12, 2014, 05:17:45 pm
I've got a Snider conversion, one of those French muskets converted in Belgium and chambered for 12 gauge, been in the family a long time and no, I am scared to shoot it.  Although the last time it was shot was in 1945 and it killed a pheasant, with a smokeless shell, buckshot surplus reloaded with lead shot.   :o
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on June 12, 2014, 05:32:35 pm
Del, was that a musket converted by the Belgians, or a French converted musket converted to a shotgun later?

http://d1q1tydbf3ejpe.cloudfront.net/objet/2010/05/06/1750410/1750410-21750410-c1n.jpg

These seem to be somewhat common converted to shotguns, but in original condition pretty pricey. Similar system to a Snyder. They were used as a secondary weapon in the Franco Prussian war, odd that the secondary weapon used a metallic cartridge, but the primary rifle, the Chasspot, was a needle gun using linen cartridges.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on June 12, 2014, 09:49:13 pm
I'm not 100% sure, but it is a 12 gauge, remind me at the muster and we'll pick each others brains over it, seems almost no two I've ever seen are alike, some are stamped Zulu, a couple show in Butcher photos.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on June 13, 2014, 06:25:21 am
I don't have much information to pick, actually. I never saw an original, or a shotgun conversion in person. Only original I have seen for sale was on Gunbroker for about $3200. :o I guess they did a good job of finding and converting most of them. Maybe they preferred them over SnyderEnfields because the caliber was already close to 12ga size, I think the original musket was about .72 cal, and they didn't sleeve it down for the conversion.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Dusty Tagalon on June 13, 2014, 08:47:58 pm
For the Zook Shooters, I will bring 2 pistols to the match for sale.
1) Savage 1907/17; 10 shot 32 acp,it is a 1907, with the slide & hammer of the 1917. The difference between the 1907/17 vs the 1917, the grip frame is narrower, than the 1917, & there are no screws in it, the 1917 has a larger grip frame, & has a  the only screw on the gun. asking $250.00.
2) A Polish pps 43, 7.62; Never been fired, in its current configuration. I ordered 2 about the same time, figuring 1 wouldn't be able to come through, anyway, ended up with 2, my loss, your gain, asking $300.00.

Brian
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Drydock on June 13, 2014, 09:10:10 pm
And here I thought I was gonna be the only one with a PPS-43!
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on June 13, 2014, 09:12:59 pm
If I have room I will put my Zulu/Snider/Suicide Gun in when I leave. 
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on June 13, 2014, 10:39:36 pm
1) Savage 1907/17; it is a 1907, with the slide & hammer of the 1917. The difference between the 1907/17 vs the 1917, the grip frame is narrower, than the 1917, & there are no screws in it, the 1917 has a larger grip frame, & has a  the only screw on the gun. asking $250.00.

Interesting... I believe Savage autoloaders were among the myriad of small automatics the French purchased during WW1, in addition to many styles of Spanish automatics. Expansion Era with a Berthier, maybe....

Speaking of the Zoot shooters, I was in a local Gun Shop today, they had a new Thompson, for a mere $1,200something, as well as a 1907 Winchester .351, and a Remington 81 in .300 Savage. Too bad the '81 couldn't be used in main matches, even at Pitspitr's range, I doubt it could be loaded down enough and still function.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: G.W. Strong on June 14, 2014, 09:26:34 pm
For the Zook Shooters, I will bring 2 pistols to the match for sale.
1) Savage 1907/17; it is a 1907, with the slide & hammer of the 1917. The difference between the 1907/17 vs the 1917, the grip frame is narrower, than the 1917, & there are no screws in it, the 1917 has a larger grip frame, & has a  the only screw on the gun. asking $250.00.
2) A Polish pps 43; Never been fired, in its current configuration. I ordered 2 about the same time, figuring 1 wouldn't be able to come through, anyway, ended up with 2, my loss, your gain, asking $300.00.

Brian


 Which caliber pps 43? 7.62 Tokarev or 9mm Makarov?
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Dusty Tagalon on June 15, 2014, 07:41:42 am
The PPS 43 is 7.62.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: G.W. Strong on June 15, 2014, 08:22:00 am
The PPS 43 is 7.62.

I might be interested. We can take a look at the muster

Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: G.W. Strong on June 15, 2014, 08:29:25 am
I have a weapon question in relation to my 15 year old son. For the Expansion Era match he would like to shoot a revolver rather than a 1911 (Which always malfunctions in his hands!) He obviously has a SAA but that would be way out of place for a US soldier at that time. I do have Colt Police Special in .38 made in 1911. Could he carry that as a private purchase firearm? My only other choice is a Colt Official Police in 32-20 which has the same basic form as a Colt New Army and we could squint. If none of these are acceptable he will use my 1911.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Drydock on June 15, 2014, 11:45:45 am
Per your request he may use the Police Special for the EoE match.  Or He may use my Army Special, which would look better and might be easier to handle.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on June 15, 2014, 09:54:38 pm
Would anybody be able to film the Muster? Major Strong did it a year ago, but he will be busy at least for part of the match with the Gatling Gun.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: River City John on June 15, 2014, 10:19:27 pm
For the gatling stage, will the .45 be provided, or should we bring a box of 50? 250gr? smokeless?



RCJ
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on June 15, 2014, 10:34:37 pm
I was going to ask about that, too....Does the Gatling have a preferred load?
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: River City John on June 15, 2014, 10:44:39 pm
I was going to ask about that, too....Does the Gatling have a preferred load?

By the way, Pony, tomorrow is casting day, and tomorrow night is reloading!  Yahoo!


RCJ
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: RattlesnakeJack on June 15, 2014, 11:52:46 pm
Yes ... inquiring minds need to know!   ;D
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Bat 2919 on June 16, 2014, 01:01:47 am
GAF has definitely been hard on my gun budget.  In the last year I've bought three Krag's.  All are shooters, not collectors.  Each one better than the previous one.  Now, I don't need three.  The first was a 98 NRA style carbine.  The second a full length refinished 96 rifle and the last a 99 carbine that I think started life as a rifle but it looks great from a distance of a few feet.  Not sure what I want to keep but I should know by the muster.  I'll bring them all with me.

I also found a matted framed print of "The Defence of Rorke's Drift" (attached below) at an estate sale and bought it.   It has a Cherry frame and doesn't fit in the room I thought I would hang it in.   May still hang it in the living room but someone else has a say in that decision as well.

http://www.easyart.com/prints/alphonse-marie-de-neuville/the-defence-of-rorke-s-drift-101229#101229 (http://www.easyart.com/prints/alphonse-marie-de-neuville/the-defence-of-rorke-s-drift-101229#101229)

Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on June 16, 2014, 06:22:42 am
Yes, each participant will be provided with one magazine full of ammunition for the Gatling. If you wish to shoot it more than just during that stage, I will have ammunition available ( I reloaded over 7,000 rounds of .45 LC last winter) or you can bring your own.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: River City John on June 16, 2014, 11:04:29 am


I also found a matted framed print of "The Defence of Rorke's Drift" (attached below) at an estate sale and bought it.   It has a Cherry frame and doesn't fit in the room I thought I would hang it in.   May still hang it in the living room but someone else has a say in that decision as well.

http://www.easyart.com/prints/alphonse-marie-de-neuville/the-defence-of-rorke-s-drift-101229#101229 (http://www.easyart.com/prints/alphonse-marie-de-neuville/the-defence-of-rorke-s-drift-101229#101229)



Bat, if you have a mind to, that print would make a great prize donation. PM me.

RCJ
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: RattlesnakeJack on June 16, 2014, 12:59:08 pm
Bat, if you have a mind to, that print would make a great prize donation. PM me.

My thought exactly!   ;D

(I am donating some prints of 19th-century U.S. military uniforms, but this would certainly loved by at least one member of the "British Empire Contingent" ... ;) )
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: RattlesnakeJack on June 16, 2014, 01:28:13 pm
GAF has definitely been hard on my gun budget. 

Not to mention, for many of us at any rate, the uniform budget!   ::)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: G.W. Strong on June 16, 2014, 03:41:30 pm
Not to mention, for many of us at any rate, the uniform budget!   ::)

Mine too. I have two new uniforms for this muster plus outfitting my son for the muster. Ohh my aching wallet!
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Mustang Gregg on June 16, 2014, 08:39:38 pm
Still not sure we can make it.  It sure don't look good right now.  >:( >:(
Is the Gatling chambered for .45C????  ???

MG
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Drydock on June 16, 2014, 08:50:24 pm
It is indeed chambered for .45 Colt
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Mustang Gregg on June 19, 2014, 03:12:55 pm
I am gong to try to get the Muster package mailed off today.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Gripmaker on June 19, 2014, 10:23:21 pm
Col. Pitsptr,  I was informed this evening that Col. Diamond will not be attending the GAF Grand Muster this year. I know that I speak for many that he shall be greatly missed.

Yours In His Service,
LTC Montgomery Little, GAF Senior Chaplain
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on June 20, 2014, 05:58:38 am
Thank you
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: River City John on June 20, 2014, 04:38:09 pm
Sorry if this has been answered before, but will we need a bayonet for any of the stages?


RCJ


Never mind, reread the FAQ sheet and it lists bringing an edged weapon for maximum fun.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on June 20, 2014, 05:58:21 pm
Bayonet for the '03 just arrived today, and as for the Lebel....Rosalie will be there too....
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on June 20, 2014, 07:43:20 pm
Bayonet for the '03 just arrived today, and as for the Lebel....Rosalie will be there too....

Get an extra and you can knit a sweater in your spare time.   ::)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on June 20, 2014, 09:03:06 pm
I've got another one of those knitting needles around here somewhere, came off my Chinese Mosin Nagant. Not sure exactly WHERE, I just know it's not on the rifle.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on June 21, 2014, 12:19:51 pm
Have a question. How well would an I-pad wireless work there in town at Sargent? There's a place we can rent in town, but no internet provided. Wife wouldn't survive that. We have an ATT I-pad,
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on June 21, 2014, 12:42:04 pm
Well, this is Verizon country. I don't know how crossing over networks works, but I get good signal from my phone and my tablet.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on June 21, 2014, 01:28:22 pm
Correction: Wife's Iphone is ATT, not really sure what the Ipad is, I know about as much about her toys as she knows about mine. The I-pad is currently not connected to anything, we just use it at home or wireless hotspots(which I assume aren't plentiful in Sargent)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: RattlesnakeJack on June 21, 2014, 05:31:59 pm
The Comstock Lodge has free WiFi ....   

;D

.... but, judging from the lack of comment, apparently nobody but Garry James and I will be staying there ....   

::)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Drydock on June 21, 2014, 06:56:53 pm
We figger if we can keep him isolated with you most of the time, he'll think we're a real classy outfit . . .   ::)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: RattlesnakeJack on June 21, 2014, 07:01:47 pm
We figger if we can keep him isolated with you most of the time, he'll think we're a real classy outfit . . .   ::)

Hmmmmm ......  ???

Now I gotta try to figure out if that was a compliment or a "shot" .....    ;D
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: RattlesnakeJack on June 21, 2014, 07:35:49 pm
Question for the Match Director -

Jerry:  As you know, I am entered in Black Powder Rifleman, with the intention to shoot the main match entirely with a Snider-Enfield, to be in keeping with my circa 1866-70 Canada Militia Infantry field uniform.  With the time fast approaching when I must depart, I am in the throes of finishing up my loading.  Due to a mis-count, I find that I don't have enough bullets ready to ensure that I have a sufficient number of loaded .577 Snider rounds to complete the main match -  depends on how much I miss, I suppose .... something which may be a bit more likely than usual while shooting a Snider!  Time is too short to set up another casting session .....

Anyway, I have nearly 50 Martini-Henry rounds loaded already and could switch to a M-H as a "back-up" .... but am wondering if it would somehow adversely affect eligibility for a field uniform award if i must use a (slightly) "period incorrect" firearm in the main match? 

As another possibility, I do have my reproduction 56-50 Spencer rifle on my import permit, and also have a fair number of rounds loaded for it.  It is "period correct" for my impression .... but of course is a repeater.  Would I be permitted to use it as a backup in the main match, provided I "single load"?  (Mind you, maybe everyone would concede that the Spencer is so inefficient as a repeater .... i.e. half-cock hammer, work the clumsy action to eject shell and chamber another, full-cock hammer, fire, repeat .... that it really offers no advantage over firing a Snider, anyway ....   ;D  )
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on June 21, 2014, 08:01:56 pm
Hmmmmm ......  ???

Now I gotta try to figure out if that was a compliment or a "shot" .....    ;D

I would say both.    ;)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on June 21, 2014, 08:32:16 pm
The Library has free wireless. The School has a public wireless network. I would think she should be able to turn her Iphone into a wireless hotspot, at least I can with my Droid.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on June 21, 2014, 08:37:33 pm
I don't recall there being a requirement that the uniform and rifle exactly match. At the same time I'm wondering if you forgot that you will be judging uniforms this year?  ::)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: RattlesnakeJack on June 21, 2014, 08:47:56 pm
Well, I do prefer that everything "goes together" as much as reasonably practicable ... which is why I think it might be neat to use the Spencer .... of the approximately 3,000 Model 1865 Spencer rifles (i.e. as opposed to carbines) that were produced, 2,000 came to Canada and into the hands of the Militia to meet the Fenian threat .....

But yes .... I did forget I'd be judging costumes this year ..... guess that means I can't win, eh?   ;D
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on June 21, 2014, 09:15:34 pm
I called Comstock, seems they are booked up for a wedding, aside from the rooms already rented to RSJ, they also have a separate place she mentioned, for $110 a night, no mention was made of the special shoot price. :( There's another place in town, for about $60, I picked up a "mobile hot spot" using Verizon, since they don't have any internet in that house.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Dalton Masterson on June 21, 2014, 10:36:47 pm
Col Pitspitr, I am bringing my camera and the GoPro gear for filming. Should make some interesting video with the GoPro. Nice 1st person perspective.

Thanks!

Dalton
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Drydock on June 22, 2014, 03:40:43 am
The rifle action determines the shooting classification, use the M-H.

No shot, you're the classiest guy in the outfit.  (Well, there was that altered image of Her Majesty . ..)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on June 22, 2014, 04:49:11 pm
Hey everyone.
maj. Bow View checking in.

I will be attending the GRAND muster this year.  Loading the wagon and starting the treck in a couple days.
I hope I don't get in too much trouble for being AWOL.
I should arrive at camp sometime on Thursday. 
shooting a trapdoor rifle and converted Remington revolver with smokeless, and a p17 enfield and 1911 for expansion.
might have for sale the p17, 2 converted Remington revolvers, a pietta nickel colt and maybe an emf 1873 in.45 colt..
Looking forward to seeing everyone there. 

Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on June 22, 2014, 06:51:35 pm
Glad to see you're gonna make it, Bowview! Sounds like you're gonna sell about everything you came with but the Trapdoor and 1911. What sort of converted Remington is it? 1858 with Kirst or an Uberti factory job?
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Stu Kettle on June 22, 2014, 09:41:27 pm
Glad to hear it Bowview.  Bring some extra ammo for the enfield, I'd like to try it out.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Bat 2919 on June 22, 2014, 09:51:40 pm
It may have been posted somewhere else but I can't find it.  How many rounds will be necessary for the skirmish format portion of the Expansion Era Match?  Given it's half day duration I can't imagine anything near 120 rifle and 100 pistol will be necessary.  Inquiring minds want to know.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on June 22, 2014, 10:52:28 pm
Bat, I don't know if it will be the same as last year, but I took 50 rifle with me, and used them all(Missed a LOT, forgot to change to my "glasses that let me see the sights clear and target blurry") I think I had 3 mags for my 1911.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on June 22, 2014, 10:57:59 pm
Glad to hear it Bowview.  Bring some extra ammo for the enfield, I'd like to try it out.

They're nice shooters, Stu. A bit heavier than an '03, soaks up some recoil. Mine has a somewhat heavy trigger with a some creep, though. If I'm gonna shoot it and the Springfield in the same outing, better to shoot the Springfield first, to avoid "surprises".
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Dalton Masterson on June 23, 2014, 06:37:51 am
Bat, go to the first post on page 1, and there is an attachment at the bottom that has the ammo count listed. I think it had 100 pistol, 150 rifle but my brain is a tad mushy this morning.

Bowview, glad you will make it!!!
DM
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on June 23, 2014, 06:53:23 am
How many rounds will be necessary for the skirmish format portion of the Expansion Era Match?  Given it's half day duration I can't imagine anything near 120 rifle and 100 pistol will be necessary.
It is only a half day event, but we do try to squeeze in more targets than on a normal stage. I shot it staff officer last year with my 1911 and have 12 magazines. I got through it with a little left over , but didn't miss much. 50 of eachshould be enough, but why worry? Bring what you can carry  ;) 8)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Stu Kettle on June 23, 2014, 10:10:15 am
My pistol & rifle take the same cartridge, & the pouch I carry them in holds about fifty.  Seems like fifty was plenty.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on June 23, 2014, 01:23:01 pm
Just so it's known, Thursday morning I'm putting some pulled pork stuff on, and making some biscuits to go with it.  Long story but I got a bunch of smoked pork butt a while back for free and froze it, it's from a well known national chain.  I just want to use it up, so don't feel like there won't be anything to eat in camp if you come before supper, I just want to use it up so I'll cook a bunch up, what's left can go in baked beans.    ;D

Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Bat 2919 on June 23, 2014, 04:05:22 pm
Here's my dilemma.  Time is getting short and loading .30 caliber rifle rounds with Trail Boss turns out to be much more labor intensive than I would have ever believed.  If anyone has any advice I'm all ears (and thank you, I know I should have started this last month).  I was looking for a way to not have to load quite so many 30-06's for the 1903 but I've now hit on a new idea.  

I can crank out .45 ACP like greased lighting.  Pitsptr you may have lightened my load with the right answer here.  Can I shoot pistol only in the Staff Officer Category (I'll dress as a Colonel) in the EEM skirmish stages even though I signed up for some other category in the main match?  I'm assuming I'll still have to shoot the 03 in the long range portion of the EEM but I've got surplus 30-06 coming out my ears so that’s no problem.

Thanks
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Drydock on June 23, 2014, 04:52:12 pm
Yes, you can do exactly that.  Just FWIW, Staff officer is just the name of the pistol only class, it does not mean you have to be a Staff Officer, or even an officer. Or any sort of military.

(I might have to rename these classes . . . )
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Niederlander on June 23, 2014, 05:10:43 pm
My pistol & rifle take the same cartridge, & the pouch I carry them in holds about fifty.  Seems like fifty was plenty.
Yes, but I think I saw you miss twice all last year, which meant it was twice more than I'd ever seen you miss before then.  I knew then you must have been ill.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Drydock on June 23, 2014, 06:32:43 pm
As for loading rifle cartridges with Trail Boss, I use a 4 hole Lee turret.  In the second station I have the body of an old .44-40 powder thru die, with a .30 carbine expander inside it.  I run the case up into this, with the .30 carbine expander slightly belling the case, then dump the powder thru the die and go on to the bullet seater.  My rifle rounds thus load exactly like my handgun rounds.  I either have a coffee mug with Lee Dippers for the powder, or use my Lee Perfect measure, both set up next to the press.

I use this same arrangement for Krag, .303, 7.62x54r, and .30-06.  Lee sells the components needed for custom set ups like this.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Dusty Tagalon on June 23, 2014, 06:59:15 pm
Finally thought of the safest to transport my Coehorn in the  car, remove from the carriage, & stash it behind my front passenger seat packed firmly in place & the seat back partially reclined. I have transported a couple of times in the carriage, & in my trunk, but kinda bothered me, that in a head on, I would have 65lbs coming from behind.

Thursday, after arrival, I will put together a 3 man crew & will go over loading & shooting procedures. This will be the first time I have fired it, so definitely blanks, at 1.5oz of Fg, & use fuse, so no one will be within 25ft. After a couple of shots at 1.5 oz , we will do a 2oz with & a 2oz with cannon primer & lanyard. I was looking at putting some projectiles together with quickcrete, but didn't like the amount I would have to buy for the little in need. If someone can bring a small coffee can full of quickcrete, let me know, & I will bring 4 small cans for making projectiles. Thursday night, I will also try firing a 2"x3" wooden dowel as a projector. Donn the road, I will be looking to try a 2lb cannon ball sinker.

Friday afternoon, I plan to go over the safety procedures for firing, & can do live fire for about 10 shots, Allowing any who want to participate, do so. I will also bring a 50 caliber model that people can practice with before jumping on the Coehorn if they desire.

Brian
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on June 23, 2014, 07:44:59 pm
I still load with only a single stage press, Lyman powder measure, and 50 round loading blocks. No difference in loading Trailboss and any other powder as far as I could tell.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on June 23, 2014, 07:53:10 pm
Dusty, There's some locals here that do competition with mortars, They use a cast lead ball, with a ring cast into it with a streamer attached.  That way they can find the balls, both to score the shots, and pick them up for re-use.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Dusty Tagalon on June 23, 2014, 08:14:01 pm
When I purchase the 2lb, canon ball sinkers, the eyelet is installed, so it would be easy to attach a streamer.

Brian
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on June 23, 2014, 08:47:35 pm
Bat, yes you can shoot as staff officer as Drydock said; however, I have 100 rounds of .30-06 trailboss loads that I won't be using. you can borrow some if you want.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: G.W. Strong on June 23, 2014, 09:41:13 pm
We had a basement flood here on Saturday so I am a bit behind on my project list but we still plan on leaving on Wednesday. We will stop in Council Bluffs for the night and be in camp on Thursday in the middle of the day.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on June 23, 2014, 10:09:16 pm
  I'm assuming I'll still have to shoot the 03 in the long range portion of the EEM but I've got surplus 30-06 coming out my ears so that’s no problem.

Thanks
Did I miss something?Is there now a separate long range EEM match? Not that it's a problem, I probably have at least 500 rounds of various full power rounds for the '03.

Still haven't had a chance to work up a long range load for the Lebel, all I know is what I used last year won't work without more "Kentucky Windage" that I like. Might become a Swede for the long range, although I've never worked with it for long range before either. At least I have the right components on hand to just pick a load out of the book and give it a try.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on June 23, 2014, 10:50:40 pm
Pony, I've heard rumor that a 160 round nose and 4831 is a good start, I think that is a 100% load but look, don't trust me.  Seems I read that several times over the years. 
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Niederlander on June 24, 2014, 06:04:50 am
YES, there IS a long range component to the EEM part of the match.  Same as for the Main Match.  More shooting!
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on June 24, 2014, 06:24:26 am
Del, I don't have any 4831 or 160rn, but will probably use 160 or 140 bthp, and 4064.

Dusty, I think I have some quickcrete, from my shed project last month, but I won't arrive until Friday, so there might not be enough tome for it to harden. Using cement cans for projectiles, you could put a loop of heavy wire in the end, and attach a streamer that way, make them easier to find and re-use. Just be sure not to hit Jerry's long range target  frame, I don't know if it's rated for artillery use.....
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on June 24, 2014, 07:44:33 am
Hi Brian
Sorry I didn't see your message. I have a bag that got caught on something and torn, so I have plenty
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Delmonico on June 24, 2014, 01:04:01 pm
I am departing the home barracks headed for Camp Pitspiter.

If anyone needs to get a hold of me the # is 402-432-0339 leave a message.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Dalton Masterson on June 24, 2014, 02:18:01 pm
Question. Will there be some downtime for a little more casual range exercise? I have a few rifles that haven't been played with much yet, and might enjoy the outing. (New England Westinghouse and Remington M91s).
If so I will bring them.
Thanks and see you Fri AM.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Stu Kettle on June 24, 2014, 03:02:08 pm
Bring em. We always find time for that. Last year I got to shoot a Martini-Henry & a broom handle Mauser, both for the first time.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on June 24, 2014, 05:21:11 pm
DM, should be plenty of time for extra curricular shooting, I think last year we had 3 hours or more between the morning stage and afternoon one, but then we didn't have 30+ shooters then.

Edit: Dalton, is you're son coming along? I'll have my family there, and if I remember correctly, he's maybe a couple months older than Alyssa, 5 in August.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: River City John on June 24, 2014, 08:27:35 pm
Looks like Friday night is the only real chance of rain, at 50%.

I'm not going to trust the 7.5mm Swiss revolver to take down targets reliably, so will bring my '58 Remington Navy with R&D cylinder as a back-up just in case.

Also not sure about the new tent. May just bring the trusty lean-to and an extra rain poncho.

See you Thursday.

RCJ
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Drydock on June 24, 2014, 08:49:08 pm
Hey Jerry, shift me over to Staff Officer for the EoE as well,  I've been wanting to try that, see If my old DA revolver can keep up with yer heathen self shucker.  

Plenty of time for Happy fire.  Folks will get the chance to shoot things they may have never handled before.

Grant, I'm gonna bring that No 2 I stole so's you can look at it.   ;D
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Dalton Masterson on June 24, 2014, 11:23:57 pm
Great! I will throw some of the neglected arms in to bring along for Happy Fire...

Pony, Wesley (Justin Time/Pooper Trooper) might be down sometime during the weekend, but won't be there for the duration.

Lonnie and I will be in Friday morning, hopefully early. ;)

DM
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: pony express on June 25, 2014, 05:29:13 am
Pony, Wesley (Justin Time/Pooper Trooper) might be down sometime during the weekend, but won't be there for the duration.


Justin Time....I wondered what you'd call him now, since he probably wouldn't appreciate Pooper Trooper any more. He must be a fan of the same cartoon as Alyssa...
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Dalton Masterson on June 25, 2014, 08:27:32 am
Nope, I don't think he has seen that cartoon yet. He liked the name, and we kind of have him heading towards a Pony Express rider persona.
I don't think we have ever let him know his Pooper Trooper name yet. Maybe on graduation day... ;)

What is the shooting schedule for Friday?
DM
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on June 25, 2014, 08:28:41 am
Hey Jerry, shift me over to Staff Officer for the EoE as well,  I've been wanting to try that, see If my old DA revolver can keep up with yer heathen self shucker.  ;D

 :-[ I've been thinking that with the number of competitors we have this year I'd better not shoot 2 classes like I usually do. And since Grant has been talking trash about me shooting smokeless so I don't have to compete head to head with him ;) I'm planning on shooting a sooty trapdoor and Schofield. The problem is that I really enjoy shooting my Krag and my S&W. So the only solution I can think of is to shoot them as a really early entry in the EEM. Early as in about 1901, which also gives me an excuse to wear my new uniform.  :) The problem with that is I won't get to shoot my 1911  :'(
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on June 25, 2014, 08:35:13 am
What is the shooting schedule for Friday?
We'll shoot the EEM as soon as we can in the morning Probably around 9:30 as we'll have a lot of folks who have never shot here before and will want to make sure we have time to go over the rules of the skirmish format. We'll shoot till we get done (might have to break for lunch) then start sighting and shooting the long range match. We probably won't have quite as much "happy time" as most DOMM's with the increased participation and the fact that we'll be shooting 4 stages instead of 3. (It is the GRAND muster after all) But we'll try to see to it that folks have time for show and tell and such.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Dalton Masterson on June 25, 2014, 08:38:57 am
Alrighty. That gives me a time to shoot for. If we leave here at 7, we should be there in good time.
DM
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on June 25, 2014, 08:43:08 am
Registered participants are:

Pitspitr            BP Rifleman
Ned Neiderlander      Smokeless Marksman
Major Hopalong Strong   Staff Officer
Dalton Masterson      BP militia
Lonnie Meyer         BP Scout(?)
Col. Montgomery Little      Scout
Scruffy Skippy         Militia
Dusty Tagalon         Smokeless Marksman
Garry James         Smokeless Marksman
River City John         Smokeless Marksman
Cactus Rope         Scout
MSGT SH Long         Staff Officer
Bijou Blade                 Scout
Tolinka            Ladies Scout
Stu Kettle                 Scout
Bat Masterson         Smokeless Marksman
Sam Perfye         BP Rifleman
Rattlesnake Jack Robson   BP Rifleman
Dutch Henry         Infantry
Quickfire Hombre               BP Militia
C.E. Strong                       Smokeless Marksman
Col. Drydock                     Infantry
Pony Express                    Smokeless Marksman
Moose                             Smokeless Marksman
Bowview                          Smokeless Rifleman(?)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Dusty Tagalon on June 25, 2014, 09:16:39 am
How many rounds of 45 acp mended for EEM?

Brian
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Dalton Masterson on June 25, 2014, 09:43:20 am
Col. Sir,
I need to be BP Scout... ;) :-[
DM
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Drydock on June 25, 2014, 04:43:34 pm
Nope, I don't think he has seen that cartoon yet. He liked the name, and we kind of have him heading towards a Pony Express rider persona.
I don't think we have ever let him know his Pooper Trooper name yet. Maybe on graduation day... ;)

What is the shooting schedule for Friday?
DM


That's the kind of information you save for fiancé's . . .
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: RattlesnakeJack on June 25, 2014, 11:23:22 pm
.... And since Grant has been talking trash about me shooting smokeless so I don't have to compete head to head with him ;) I'm planning on shooting a sooty trapdoor  ......

Oh sure .... You wait until I regress to shooting a Snider-Enfield before you offer to go "head to head" ....  You do realize that, to compare ballistically, your  trapdoor needs to be in .58 Musket .... or in any event no more "modern" than a .50-70 .....    :-\

Garry and I have camped on the outskirts of Rapid City, South Dakota .... Will complete our sweep into Nebraska on the morrow, arriving relatively late in the day .... But hopefully early enough to  visit at the Muster site before retiring to the British  barracks for the night.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: RattlesnakeJack on July 01, 2014, 05:32:46 pm
Looks like Friday night is the only real chance of rain, at 50%.

Famous last words, eh?   ::)

Just made it home and catching up on e-mail and such .....  Hope folks start posting some photos .... it looks like this is the only one I took at the Muster!   :-[

(http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i219/GrantRCanada/GAF/2014%20Muster/GarryandStu_sm_zps8f5a3a1d.jpg)

Had a great time going, at the Muster, and returning home .... Garry was a most pleasant traveling companion, and we seemed to have many interests in common .....
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on July 01, 2014, 05:52:44 pm
Glad you guys got home ok. Today I realized I hadn't taken ANY pictures. :-[
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Dalton Masterson on July 01, 2014, 06:12:53 pm
I do have some on the GAF Facebook page as I can post right from my phone. Otherwise I have to resize them to do it here. I will get some posted after my Cody trip.
Dm
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Cactus Rope on July 02, 2014, 10:39:29 pm
Dalton sent you a PM.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Dusty Tagalon on July 04, 2014, 06:09:54 pm
A lot of my friends, & coworkers want to see pictures/videos of me with my coehorn, please email to e, or link to where images/videos are posted.

Thanks
Brian
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Drydock on July 04, 2014, 06:59:59 pm
There's a Gatling Video up at the GAF Facebook page.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: G.W. Strong on July 04, 2014, 08:16:44 pm
I know Dalton shot some but here is the little clip I shot at night.
http://youtu.be/aI4ZvJxJfPE
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: RattlesnakeJack on July 05, 2014, 03:04:03 pm
Col. Pitspitr:  A "gentle" reminder that a few far-traveled folks found it necessary to depart the Muster before the final results were known .... and thus have absolutely no idea what those results were!     ;D

I presume that you are still gathering your thoughts in preparation for compiling your full after-action report .... but a listing of at least the results in the various categories would be greatly appreciated!

All Muster Participants:  As one who failed to take more than one picture, I also anxiously await the posting of more photos .... many more photos!    ;)
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on July 05, 2014, 04:15:56 pm
I presume that you are still gathering your thoughts in preparation for compiling your full after-action report .... but a listing of at least the results in the various categories would be greatly appreciated!
Your presumptions are indeed correct. I was writing my after action report when I received notification of your post. I expect to complete my full report WITH results by this evening.
Title: Re: 2014 10th Anniversary edition International Grand Muster
Post by: Pitspitr on July 06, 2014, 03:24:00 pm
AAR with results posted in the After Action Reports child board