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Title: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on June 24, 2011, 10:36:39 am
My other topic seams to have turned in this direction so I thought we could discuss it hear.

With the abundance of SASS clubs in the area and a good number of GAF members, I think we should be able to have a regular muster.  annual, bi-annual, monthly? 
there are different ways to do this.  A Saturday or Sunday adjacent to a SASS clubs monthly match, same range and targets just a more GAF format match.  or a Side match or day match with a clubs annual multiday event.  or an independant event at one of the CAS friendly ranges.  or even a club that will let us add the bttle rifle classes to thier monthly match.
we can also get together for non-shooting events.  a visit to a historical place in ou GAF uniforms or just a good old fashioned military ball. 

I GAF match format is somthing different from other CAS shoots.  other than the 2 gun instead of 4 and rifle calibers, there is also the longer target distances and reloads under preassure and/or from cover.  there is an elemnt of realism that is more like the reinactors get.  I realize not every range can accomidate a walk up a canyon with natral cover like we did at the dept of Mo muster last summer but we can lean in that direction. 

 am going to try to get the posts from the other threads added to this one. 

any and all input and ideas ae welcome.

regards and happy shooting.

Bow View Haymaker

Dept of the Platte,  GAF
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: TwoWalks Baldridge on June 24, 2011, 11:29:15 am
Haymaker, this is sounding so blamed good, I might have to consider moving to Arizona ... but only if you put the dang fires out.   ;D
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Willie Dixon on June 24, 2011, 11:54:19 am
Mr. Haymaker,

as you and I have already had previous correspondence on this matter, and I'm very excited about it, this is more for the rest of the Department of the Platte.

I have been a CAS shooter for two years now, and have done quite a lot in that time.  But, the saddest mark on my history is that everyone I have come into contact with are SASS gamers, not understanding the joys of plumes of grey smoke roiling out of a .45 caliber open top, or the sweet sound of the 56-50.  As such, I have pretty much been on my own, with my friends, and we're having a great time at that.

My group of men are fully transportable to anywhere in the Arizona Territory thanks in part to my miniature car, and my pardner's F150.  We'll go anywhere we can to meet like-minded soldiers.  And the cup o'joe, good grub, and all the fixin's are always on me in camp, as I've become quite the "cookie."

Up here, at the northermosst reach of Arizona, in Flagstaff, my friends and I have found a great spot to enjoy a GAF type event, as often and for however long as we wish.  The range is easily 25 yards wide, and has a long range distance of 285 yards (digitally checked) up a very nice berm.  It is in the Coconino National Forest, and we are allowed to camp there for up to seven days.

Dutifully,
WD

post script: TW, my friends are doing all they can ;)  course, it's kind of like Southern California's mudslide season.  Every summer we get those fires.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Curley Cole on June 24, 2011, 12:38:01 pm
Me and Old Top would be pretty darn interested.....we have been attending the "Victorian" shoots at Piru and 5Dogs (if interested I have some pix of the matches on my webpage: http://sdough.smugmug.com) check under the Art sections.

anyways the folks at 5Dogs have done a fine job and you might pick their brains a bit...

keep us posted

curley
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on June 24, 2011, 09:45:31 pm
Great to hear from you all.  Flagstaff in the summer might not be a bad idea.  I don't remember the last day it wasn't triple diget temps down here. 
whats the weather like up north now? 


My AZ geograph is eral bad, where are the Piru and 5dogs ranges again? 
I like the idea of a side match or seperate day event with a larger event, but the idea of a muster just on our own is nice also.
the side match would get more people to see the gAF format but the seperate event would give us more freedom. 

let the free flow of ideas continue.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Old Top on June 25, 2011, 12:44:07 am
Bow View,

Curly and I shoot mostly in California, Piru is up by Magic Mountain in Santa Calerita and 5 Dogs is out side of Bakersfield.  We would like to see a GAF match some where close, relitively speeking, as they can be great.

Old Top
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Evelyn Canarvon on June 25, 2011, 01:33:47 pm
I would be interested if I close on the house.  Right now can not get insurance to close as the insurance companines have put a moritorium on new policies for all of Cochise County.

Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Pitspitr on June 25, 2011, 06:21:08 pm
If Bowview can get a muster put together y'all won't be sorry you attended. He a great host and a genuinely nice guy! We really hated to see him leave the Division of Nebraska.
You know maybe sometime you could all car pool to the Department of the Missouri for a Department or a Grand Muster.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Jack N Water on June 26, 2011, 08:25:32 am
Here in AZ territory you can shoot a match at many locations on either Saturday or Sunday every weekend. The majority of GAF and like minded cowboys shoot out of Ben Avery or Rio Salado. I'm a member of both clubs as well as shooting various other clubs in the territory. Many cowboys who shoot these two larger clubs are also the directors of the smaller clubs. Your best bet is to contact Brevet Colonel Sagebrush Burns. Possibly the Winter Range folks could be of some help as well, LT Colonel Scratch my be a good contact with WR.


 :)


Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on June 27, 2011, 12:16:41 am
Here is a couple of other discussions of this

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,37397.25.html

http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,34857.0.html

Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on June 27, 2011, 01:07:14 am
I plan on getting in touch with the GAF command of the dept of the Platte about a muster of some sort. 
I don't know if we can get this together this year but now is the time to plan for 2012.  if it comes together sooner , great. 


I'd like to ask all GAF members within hollorin. distance to check in with your location, home club if you have one, and level of interest in getting together for an event with a different type of CAS.  I'll start.

Bow View Haymaker,
Safford, AZ  no home club but 2-3 hours from several in SE AZ, and SW NM.
level of interest a 10 with 10 being highest. 
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on June 27, 2011, 09:44:23 pm
So lets's start a list of what's needed for a muster.

First we need some people interested in attending.
It's hard to justify a get together for less than 8-10 people.  (We got to start somewhere)

We need a location, yet to be determined.

We need a few targets.  a dozen or so would do, hopefully the range will have what's needed.

We need insurance,  Hopefully this can come with the location if an established range.

So, the way i see it, is this all depends on a place and/or club so help host this.
Hopefully more GAF members in the area will continue to sheck in here.  This will help determine what to do next.
I plan on making some contacts with the area clubs once I get a bit for feedback.

Keep checking in for more news and your input.

check the muster guide for an idea of the type of shooing matcfdh we are talkiing about.
http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,33665.0.html
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Willie Dixon on June 28, 2011, 10:23:51 am
Willie Dixon checking in
Flagstaff/Lake Havasu - northern Arizona.  No local clubs to speak of out here in Flagstaff, however there is a CAS group in Havasu, they're a great group and when I get the chance, I'll talk to them about GAF style shoots.
level of interest: 10

Chief,

weather up here is drop-dead gorgeous in the summer.  It was 67 degrees this morning at 0600, and our high is going to be a crazy hot 79! ;D  It's perfect up here for a weekend event in the summer.  If there was an Arizona muster in the summer, I'd have to say Flagstaff/Sedona etc would be the best for it.  We never see triple digits, high 90s are almost unheard of.  Also, I've noticed in the higher elevations, bullets tend to do some funny things in BP at longer ranges.  I dunno if its just me and my group, but it's fun!  Also, I have a description of my range in an earlier post.

Winter, not so much, we average double digits in snow.  It sure is pretty however, definitely takes you back in the winter, especially in the woods.  I wouldn't trade it for the world.

I don't have access to any targets to speak of as yet, but, one of my pards when he gets up here in August is a top-rate welder.  I'm hoping he and I can come up with some targets.

dutifully,
WD
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on June 28, 2011, 10:32:11 am
Quote
weather up here is drop-dead gorgeous in the summer.  It was 67 degrees this morning at 0600, and our high is going to be a crazy hot 79!   It's perfect up here for a weekend event in the summer.  If there was an Arizona muster in the summer, I'd have to say Flagstaff/Sedona etc would be the best for it.  We never see triple digits, high 90s are almost unheard of.

That's what I thought.  I am going to try to start to come up with some targets hear also to take out to the local rage for practice.  Tagets can be pretty simple but it would be cool to get a few made like niederlander is doing for the Dept of Mo. 
Maybe we can do something down hear in the winter and up your way in the summer months. 

How many shooters are in you group up there that might be interested in this?
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on June 28, 2011, 10:45:08 am
my old memory is fading and i can not for the lidfe of me think of what a "Cody/Dixon" match or class is.  I ahve heard the term but have never seen it.  someone commented that it wouldn't be a far streatch from that to a GAf format.
Not sure.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Willie Dixon on June 28, 2011, 11:00:04 am
Chief,
Maybe we can do something down hear in the winter and up your way in the summer months.  

I was thinking the same exact thing. Even if it's only twice-yearly, it'd be an excuse to get out of the snow for us, and for everyone down there to get out of the heat in the summer!

Right now, I know for a fact I have one person who's in, Reese.  He's doing some lizard research down south so he's out of touch right now til August.  I also have three others pondering the idea.  The other three would be borrowing mine and Reese's firearms to get started, but they're interested.  I know they love my open top, and I've only ever shot black through her.

My friends and I are trying to come up with a cheaper alternative to targets like the portable ones Evil Roy sells.  Basically we're for the most part broke college students and my buddy Stubbz is a welder.  He's also chomping at the bit wanting to make these anyways.  These targets we'd be able to bring down with us as well.

The "Cody/Dixon" style shoots usually have one or two really far targets for the rifles to shoot at.  Kind of a bonus deal, as even Billy Dixon said it was a lucky shot.  So if our rifle targets are set up between 50 and 100 yards, that shot would be a 2 to 300 yard shot minimum.  Col. Drydock also has given me some other ideas for target setup as well, such as "kill em all!" where there aren't any misses counted, and all the targets need to be hit.

also, Chief, if you're ever in the area, be sure to give me a call.  I know all the best places in town for a good cup of joe and buffalo burgers

Dutifully,
WD
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Pitspitr on June 28, 2011, 02:15:10 pm
Tagets can be pretty simple but it would be cool to get a few made like niederlander is doing for the Dept of Mo. 
Guys last weekends match (held at the site of the '08 & '09 Grand Muster) was shot using nothing but the GAF silhouette knock down targets and it was a target rich environment. It was a riot!

It you have access to any "scrap" steel and someone who is a welder Lt. Col. Neiderlander could get you the plans and you could make your own targets. You could start out slow and build targets as you have the funds to cut more steel. You'll be surprised how quickly the targets add up. Major, you'll recall that in "09 we had to borrow targets from you. Now we have in excess of 60 of the new style targets.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Willie Dixon on June 28, 2011, 03:04:23 pm
Col. Davenport,

I believe I saw in a post on here those silhouette targets.  Those were very nice.  I'll try and PM Col. Neiderlander and see about getting plans for those.  We have access to scrap out here, that's the good news, the trick is waiting for my welder to get back from Cali for the summer.

thanks Mr. Davenport.


dutifully,
WD
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Pitspitr on June 28, 2011, 05:18:24 pm
Stock pile that steel and await his return!



 :)

Sure wish you could carpool with Bow View and attend the Dept. MO Muster. I'd sure like to meet the decendant of a legend.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Niederlander on June 28, 2011, 06:30:55 pm
Willie and Bow View,
       Grab all the 3/8" plate steel you can get!  (1/2" steel works, too.)  Get any 4" channel iron you can get for the target stands.  Do you have access to an overhead projector?  If so, I'll send you the overlay I used to make patterns.  As far as the target stands, I'll have to draw them up for you, as the plans I originally used have been modified somewhat.  I probably won't be able to get to that until after the Muster here in late July.  I've posted pictures of our targets on our Facebook page.  Go to Grand Army of the Frontier, Department of the Missouri.  Hope that helps!
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Cowtown Scout on June 28, 2011, 09:55:43 pm
my old memory is fading and i can not for the lidfe of me think of what a "Cody/Dixon" match or class is.  I ahve heard the term but have never seen it.  someone commented that it wouldn't be a far streatch from that to a GAf format.
Not sure.


Hi BVH

The Cody/Dixon class is shot in South Texas were the rules were set up by a local club and it has branched out in South Texas and was offered at the last 2 SASS Texas State Championships because they were held in South Texas.  The folks in Lockhart (National Muster Location) offer it and that's where you saw the term here in the Barracks.  I've talked with some members of my club about possible starting it up here in North Central Texas.  If I can get that started then maybe GAF can be next.  I cut and pasted off a web site the rules so I could present something in writing to my club so I'll attach a .pdf with all the info.  Everyone should check it out.  To summarize it's cowboy action shot with big bore rifles at farther targets but the pistol and shotgun are exactly the same as everyone else shoots.  So you only need 2 to 3  additional rifle targets at each stage added to what the club already has set up for each monthly match.

Scout
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Willie Dixon on June 29, 2011, 12:36:06 am
Mr scout,
The ol panhandle needs the Cody/Dixon shoot. It'd be weird almost without it! When I went to the ruins of adobe walls, that bluff was one amazing shot!
Sure wish you could carpool with Bow View and attend the Dept. MO Muster. I'd sure like to meet the decendant of a legend.

Col. Davenport sir,

It'd be an honor to go to the muster, to finally make it and the Dept Mo muster is a great first event!  Besides, it'd also be great to finally meet Del in person. I'm humbled by the invite sir.  I'll ask Chief Haymaker if I may be able to join him on the trek. If he allows, I'll do all in my power to make it.

Dutifully,
WD
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: cpt dan blodgett on June 30, 2011, 11:14:27 pm
I am interested, may or may not be able to attend, 1 or 2 weekends a month I have mom duty, but if not otherwise engaged could make the drive up to Flag or down to Tombstone
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on July 07, 2011, 12:27:54 pm
Shot with old Pueblo at Tombstone livery last Sunday.  nice range set up[ but bays arent real deep and targets were real close again.  Seems to be the norm around these parts.  Didn't get a chance to tank t the range owners about GAF,  I'll try contacting them. 

Willie,

Any chance of something up your way in late August?  If We come up with a plan I can see about getting an e-mail list form the GAF webisite to get the word out. 

Lets keep this thread going and pass the word to any GAF members who aren't on CASCITY.

Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Willie Dixon on July 07, 2011, 08:51:44 pm
Chief,
Unfortunately late august would be pretty rough on us up here as everyone is just getting up here on the 24th. However I could convince the gang to be ready for mid-September though ;D

As of right now we just have the prime location up here, Stubbs is good at welding, so is Scott but it'd be hard to get enough targets made. Just a heads up.  

Past that and "Welcome Week" being that last week in august, were good to go semi-operational by sepember.

I've also posted up a network group on Facebook, the northern Arizona vigilance riders, http://www.facebook.com/groups/139767832745746?ap=1
You have to have a Facebook, but I've kept it open for others to join with admin permission.  On there is the rest of my company as well.

I've also noticed that the targets in the area are crazy close, definitely a fan of targets farther out.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on July 07, 2011, 11:16:40 pm
Mid September works for me. If we try this in your backyard I guess it has to be on your time.I am going to try to get a few targets together also.  With a skirmish format we don't need a bunch.  The stage runs longer with more shots.  so less "sets" of targets are needed.
we can call for 2 or 3 hits each. I will check into Facebook.

Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Willie Dixon on July 14, 2011, 07:22:35 pm
Sounds great Chief and it's great to have you on Facebook now too.

If you can, send me a message on either Facebook or here about how the skirmish scenarios work and I'm sure we can get something organized in no time for mid-September.

Dutifully,

WD
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Pitspitr on July 15, 2011, 05:24:38 am
Willie,
Here's a video of the Expansion Era Match from last year that was shot using the skirmish format.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApYp6_FgLOc&feature=youtube_gdata[/youtube]
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on July 15, 2011, 01:45:14 pm
ONe thing I see is that the "skirmish" format just wont work at just any location.  At the Grand Muster last year things were set up more traditional CAS stages in regards to numers of rounds per stage and movement BUT there were rifle reloads n the clock for every stage and pistol reloads for most, along with some other fun stuff to start the stages with. 
Movement can be lateral or forward.  the same target can be shot from one position then another with the rifel then a third with pistol.  While I like the "must hit" idea it can burn up a lot of ammo if one has a bad day or missighted gun. 

Just watching that video again makes me tired.  :P  can hardly wait ;D
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on July 15, 2011, 01:49:33 pm
just a reminder.  While most GAF classes ae based on a milspec rifle and pistol,  there is the Scouts of course but also the milita, buffalo, and forager (shotgun and pistol) and also infantry (milpec rifle only) and staff officer (pistol only) 
so  ther are several combinations of 2 guns you can use or even just one gun.  We have had  both infantry and staff officer at Grand musters, and I don't think they had any less fun than the rest of us. ;D

Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Pitspitr on July 15, 2011, 09:44:41 pm
ONe thing I see is that the "skirmish" format just wont work at just any location. 

That's absolutely true. But where it's possible it's a lot of fun.
 
Just watching that video again makes me tired.  :P  can hardly wait ;D
ME TOO!!!
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on August 14, 2011, 07:16:14 pm
Not sure if this is going anywhere right now. We could sure use a word from other GAF members in the AZ, NM area if ther is any intgerest in a GAF type of event at all.  I know SASS is king in this area, but GAF can be a nice change of pace.  Even if a group just gets together for a non-shooting outing or event.  (as important as they are) Let's try to GAF on the map with more than color gaurds at big SASS events.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: cpt dan blodgett on August 15, 2011, 04:33:05 pm
I am interested in GAF, should hear from the Gun Smith any day now to pick up my 98 Krag. 
Have limited availability to make some matchs.  Normally 2 weekends a month I have Mom Duty as she now has someone with her 24 /7 other than that the trip to Flag is not problematic.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Drydock on August 15, 2011, 04:59:39 pm
THese things take time,  A simple set down and howdy might be the best place to start.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on September 04, 2011, 12:36:48 am
The dept of the Platte members that have reported in here are few.
4 to be exact.  I have also heard from Dept commander Col Sagebrush Burns, but no real idea of what direction to go.  I know that SASS is king here and they have there military rifle match at winter range, so maybe that is enough.

I haven't had much time to make contacts or try to contact GAF members anywhere but here. 
Sorry for rambling on
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Niederlander on September 04, 2011, 06:05:22 am
Keep plugging away, it takes time to get people to actually come out and play.  Keep in mind, too, that we are a very small niche, but you just need a few dedicated people to make it work.  Good luck!
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Pitspitr on September 04, 2011, 06:20:21 pm
BVM just be patient. I talked to Ned Neiderlander for, what, like 5 years before he got really into it. Look at him now!

Realistically though, it's more fun when you have people to share it with but in the long run just enjoy it for yourself.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: 1st Sgt. on September 05, 2011, 08:46:19 pm
THese things take time,  A simple set down and howdy might be the best place to start.



Drydock has the right Idea, I don't know what part of the state you live in but if you are interested in discussing this thing a Face to face discussion about it would be best. The vairables to organizing this are many such as where, when, how and of course $ Costs to think of a few. As you've said most of the people here are Cowboy shooters, Wildbunch shooters as well as Mounted shooters. Having another venue to shoot for a small group that's spread out can be exausting and difficult. But if you want to have a "sitdown" and talk contact me.

    Respectfully

 Brevet Captain Pigpen

 Department of the Platte Chief of Ordnance   8)
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on September 06, 2011, 12:08:06 am
I'm in Safford, 3+hours east of Phonix, 2 hours NE from Tombstone and Tuscon,2?hours from Silver City NM.
I work alot of weekends but can get  awat somtimes.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Mustang Gregg on September 12, 2011, 11:45:49 pm
Maj Bow View:

Have you checked out the Tucson Rifle Club?  They ain't far from you, if I recollect where you are located these days. 
Anyhoo, they have several SASS outfits shooting there.  They are about 20 mi SW of Tucson, just a small piece west of Three Points.

Take care, Trooper,
Mustang Gregg
[still in Afghan]
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on September 13, 2011, 12:04:03 am
Shot with the Alter Valley group my first month out here.  they are the only cowboys shooting at the Tuscon club for now.  the rest moved to Tombstone when the reange was going through a rebuild and was shut down for a bit as I understand it.  Nice looking facility.  Reminded me of the Heartland shooting Park in Grand Island NE. 
I hope to get back there to a shoot soon.

I've been tied up with buying a house and getting it ready to move into and Work of Course. 

I am thinking about setting up a GAF ino booth/tent/camp at 1 or 2 of the club annual matches this upcoming fall/winter. 
I have to run the details by the Dept commander first. 

thank you for all the encouragment. 
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: rebtexan on September 15, 2011, 03:55:46 am
Hey,
            I am the new guy from Arizona.  What can I do to help? ???
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Evelyn Canarvon on September 20, 2011, 12:47:27 pm
You can count me in.  I am moving to Sierra Vista area.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Mustang Gregg on September 21, 2011, 10:59:29 am
Evelyn C:

I'm envious....I love the Seirra Vista & Tombstone area.  I just can't move there.  Gotta be happy to TDY there occasionally.
And I still can't spell Fort Hiuahaucha for nothing.

Mustang Gregg
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Willie Dixon on September 24, 2011, 08:51:08 pm
Hey all newcomers, it's great to see everyone so enthusiastic,
sorry but Real Life can be a pain sometimes and basically has been kicking me up and down the street these past few months, but :)

I would definitely PM Bow View Haymaker about us setting up a GAF event.  He's got the experience and the contacts, and I'm just trying, trying being the key word, to be a helpful CAS shooter as well.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on October 03, 2011, 12:03:59 am
Sorry for being AWOL on this topic.  No  news to report.  It is good tohear from more people. 
Right now I have a thought of a table or display of sorts at Bordertown. have to get the OK on that yet. 
Hope to just get GAF members talking. 
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Grizzly Adams on October 08, 2011, 12:02:48 am
Sorry for being AWOL on this topic.  No  news to report.  It is good tohear from more people. 
Right now I have a thought of a table or display of sorts at Bordertown. have to get the OK on that yet. 
Hope to just get GAF members talking. 

I will be at Bordertown for both the Wild Bunch and the Cowboy match.  Let me know if I can be of assistance.

Grizzly Adams
Naval Landing Party
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on October 12, 2011, 10:57:44 am
good news!

Just talked with Rahleen with Bordertown and I got the OK for a info booth with the Vendors for The Grand Army of the Frontier.
I am thinking of setting up a sort of eanto tent orsolders camp and a table iwth any printed GAF info I can find.  I don't have much of a camp though.  dont even hav e a tent yet.  But I will be in a uniform of sorts and try talking to anyone that will listen about the joys of the GAF musters. 
If anyone has someof those gaf recruitment fliers they arent using that would be great.  Any other GAF mem bersthat are going to be around are welcome to come and sit a spell.
Also any pictures that can besent would be great.  Iamgoing to try to have a slide show of video going as long as the battery in the 'puter lasts.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: cpt dan blodgett on October 12, 2011, 12:00:54 pm
If'n the puter has a car charger you could always hook it up to a car battery or alternatively get one of those cheapo power inverters and a battery clip cig lighter thingy.  Thinking a 750 ah battery would keep that puter running a long time and still start the car.  Just sayin.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Pitspitr on October 12, 2011, 12:48:14 pm
For pictures you should be able to right click on, and save any picture you'd like from here in the barracks
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Cowtown Scout on October 12, 2011, 05:43:47 pm
I seem to remember somone posting a link to a GAF flyer they had made up and put on their division web site.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Pitspitr on October 12, 2011, 06:27:08 pm
The brochure is on the GAF website in enlist/recruit page.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on October 12, 2011, 10:12:45 pm
All good ideas .Thanks guys. I have tofind my printer
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on November 22, 2011, 12:40:49 am
Sorry for the late report.  I did setup a tent at Boredertown.I handed out some fliers and newsletters pertaining to GAF and talked to shooters about the possibility of a GAF type shootor even a side match at a SASS event. havn't heard from anyone since. 
Ihope that we can eventually get together as a GAF group somewhere in the Dept of the Platte.  but it's going to take everyones input. I don't have a home range or club here otherwise I would have set something up alreaady and hoped for the best. 
I will kieep trying if you will.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on January 19, 2012, 06:39:38 am
Shooters needed forthe 5th Sunday shoot at Tucson Rifle Club.
 Things are looking good to try a GAF stage/side match.at the Alter Valley Pitoleros SASS jmatch the 5th Sunday of Jan.  west of Tucson AZ.   I just have to e-mail the MD the stage layout and basic guidlines.  Probably won' thave any "rifle caiber" guns to use (my 2 trys at trapdoors on gunbroker lost.  My wife is greatly relieved   ).
This stage willl probably be more like the stages at ealy musters as it is a SASS club and the shooter have mostly SASS guns. pLannig ondoing it before the main match, around 8:30.  I hope to incorperate the Milspec rifles in the future.
 If all goes well there is a chance to get a GAF sidematch on the schedule for "Bordertown" 2012,the state SASS championship.possibly even a state muster on the first or last day.
What makes a stage a GAF stage? to me it is longer ranges for targets and some reloading on the clock.  possibly shooting from a rest for some and a  bit of movement. I think it best not to use the must-hit or knockdown targets right now.  not sure the club has the targets for it andI want to keep the stages short.
I sure  could use the suppport of the GAF members from southern Arisona for this.  I'll be leaving my house about 5am to go set this up.  2.5 hour drive for me.  I think this range is closer to phoenix than that.  This Club shoots 3rd and 5th Sundays and I am hoping to make this a regular thing at the 5th Sunday shoots.  These are the same folks who have been running "borertown"  so we could get our foot in the door to have our state musters there.  but support is needed.

Thanks
wish me luck.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on January 21, 2012, 10:05:31 am
  Any interest?  Any ideas? 
Any questions?  Anyone want to help?
Anyone here shoot at Alter Valler?
Seems kind of quiet here. ???
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on January 23, 2012, 02:42:22 am
Don't know if anyone is interested in this or cares,  but here is a couple of potential GAF based stages I am trying bring to the Alter Valley 5th Sun day shoot coming up.   Just my lowly  attempt to bring a taste of tbhe great GAF musters to the SASS world that is Arizona.

Awaiting Mean Rayleens approval
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: G.W. Strong on January 23, 2012, 10:43:32 am
I think it is a great idea. I would like to incorporate GAF stages here locally. Please keep us posted.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on January 23, 2012, 01:45:41 pm
hopalong,
 I wish we had your enthusiasm out here.  I just can't seem to get the exitment from the GAF members around here were hardcore SASS is king.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Pitspitr on January 23, 2012, 07:34:56 pm
If you could get one or two to come with you to a muster I bet they'd get the bug too. I talked to Ned Neiderlander about it for several years until we had the 1st Dept. Muster in 2007. He's been hooked since.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on January 23, 2012, 08:47:58 pm
I just keep trying.  I am hopeful that this side match thing can be a start .
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: G.W. Strong on January 23, 2012, 09:10:38 pm
I noticed on the SASS wire you are hunting for a trapdoor. They are out there. Best of luck.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on January 23, 2012, 10:01:34 pm
Thanks,  unfortunatly my budget isn't up to the task.  It sure would be beter to demonstrait GAF with  a proper milspec rifle.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: G.W. Strong on January 24, 2012, 09:29:44 am
I agree. It would show off what we do much better. How much do you have budgeted? I am always on the hunt for more black powder cartridge miliraty firearms and one may turn up here in my searching that meets your needs.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: cpt dan blodgett on January 24, 2012, 02:13:24 pm
Don't think I can help you this coming weekend.  Had run out of bullets and really have not developed a sub 1400 FPS load for my Krag yet.  Am now back in bullets and am going to test some loads that should be real close to 1400 FPs to see if I can get them to group.

Perhaps I will be ready by next month, providing I do not have mom detail on match day.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on January 24, 2012, 10:12:22 pm
I understand that some have had good luck with 220grain bullets in the krags.
to bad you cant be there but I understand.  just knowing that there is interest helps .
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: G.W. Strong on January 25, 2012, 04:52:22 pm
I love a 180 grain cast bullet over 16 grains of 2400 in my Krag. It is awesome!
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: cpt dan blodgett on January 25, 2012, 05:44:52 pm
Will try that with 170 and 210 as those are the bullets I have.  see if it works for me
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Niederlander on January 25, 2012, 06:17:37 pm
I've been shooting cast bullets in Krags for about fifteen years now, and from what I've seen the heavier the bullet (up to 220 grains anyway) the better they like it.  (The Krag has always been my favorite bolt action rifle!)
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: cpt dan blodgett on January 25, 2012, 09:03:33 pm
can you point me in the direction of a GAF legal load using a 210 grainer
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Niederlander on January 25, 2012, 09:08:38 pm
I use the starting load in the Lyman manual for 5744.  I'll send you a PM.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on January 28, 2012, 08:12:22 pm
Everything is a go For a GAF side match stage at the Alter Vally SASS shoot tomorrow west of Tucson . 
Planning on doing it before the main match. (I'm going to try to leave home by 5 to be there by 7:30).  I think it's closer to you guys in Phoenix. Sure would be great to have a good GAF turnout.  Most will probably be shooting as "Scouts" (me included) with our regular CAS rifles and 1 pistol.  Anyone with a milspec rifle to show off would be great. 
Round count is less than 15 rile and less than 10 pistol for this one stage.  The rest of the match is regular SASS of 6 stages.

Wish us luck
Bvt Maj. Bow View Haymaker
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: G.W. Strong on January 29, 2012, 08:38:00 am
I know it is not over yet but we want to see pics! We want to know how it went! Enquiring minds want to know.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on February 05, 2012, 11:01:37 am
I agree. It would show off what we do much better. How much do you have budgeted? I am always on the hunt for more black powder cartridge miliraty firearms and one may turn up here in my searching that meets your needs.
I

It wouldbe great to get an ugly shooter for $400 tomy door but even $600 Ithink I could swing If I sweet talk the banker.  I don't need matchingnubersor anything, cutdown carbine Ok,  wrongsites OK, just milspec enough to pass at a muster and safe to shoot with black subs or trailboss.  Jerry's on the lookout for me also.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on February 05, 2012, 11:07:45 am
First, I apologize for the late report. I want to thank the gracious Match directors at Alter Valley pistoleers for setting up targets for me and letting me give the GAF side match a try. I gave my little intro about the GAF and what makes a GAF muster different from a Cowboy match. Then demonstrated shooting the stage with my lever gun (no trapdoor yet) and pistol reloading a few rounds in each on the clock. That was it. The 3 polite Cowboys listening and watching thanked me and went back too the crowd mingling before the main match. I was pleased with the set up but very disappointed in the interest or lack of. If there were any other GAF members about, I didn't meet them. I did give out some info after the match. might try something again at there next 5th Sunday match. this club has an OPEN category that you can shoot under a second alias just for fun,I Might see if I can shoot a second time through GAF style.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: G.W. Strong on February 05, 2012, 11:11:40 am
It would be great to get an ugly shooter for $400 to my door but even $600 I think I could swing If I sweet talk the banker.  I don't need matching nubers or anything, cutdown carbine Ok,  wrong sites OK, just milspec enough to pass at a muster and safe to shoot with black subs or trailboss.  Jerry's on the lookout for me als o.

I have bought a reasonably pretty full length rifle for $400 last year so it is certiainly possible. let me poke around a bit for you.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: pony express on February 05, 2012, 03:21:56 pm
Remember, if you can't find an affordable trapdoor,(or Krag) you don't HAVE to do a US impression to do GAF. Although many of the European rifles are going up in price too, there may be some that can be had within your budget. Maybe a Moisin-Nagant, with Nagant revolver? Or one of the South American Mausers, along with your existing single action.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: G.W. Strong on February 05, 2012, 09:27:32 pm
That is a great thought. I once got an Argentinian Mauser Model 1891 artillery carbine in a trade for a box of Macaroni and Cheese!
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: pony express on February 05, 2012, 09:45:25 pm
That's a good trade......or maybe a REALLY big box of mac&cheese. I don't think Argentine's are going all that cheap anymore, was thinking of the various 7mm mausers from different South American countries that came in recently, or has the supply of those dried up?
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on March 02, 2012, 10:34:38 am
I Haven't given up on a muster for the dept of the Platte or division of AZ.  Just taking sometime to figure out where the interest is and find a location and waiting to hear form the Dept. members. 
If any one belongs to a GAF friendly range or club, PLEASE let me know.  Maybe a GAF categories with a monthly SASS match or the day before or after???
Also I see we have some new members to the Dept.  Welcome, 
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on July 21, 2012, 11:11:32 pm
http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,44330.0.html

Anyone from the southwest want to wagon train to the grand Muster?
I sure want to go but need someone to help drive the team.  Safford AZ, about 3 hrs east from phoenix is where i'd be leaving from.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on August 04, 2012, 07:39:35 pm
Got the time off work to make3 the trip.    Will someone PLEASE  share the trip with me?   If you like action shooting and history you will love a GAF muster.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on August 22, 2012, 06:34:49 pm
Back to the top.
Come on troops.  Lets show some support for the GAF national muster.  If you have never attended one (and I don't think anyone else from the dept of the Platte has)  you are missing a great opportunity.   The musters are unlike anything else in the CAS world.  You get plenty of action.  (you have to experience it to understand)  lots of history,  great friendship.  All the things that make the GAF a great on-line group are amplified greatly at the  musters.  If you want the full experience lets go to Kansas in October and bring some ideas back so we can get the ball rolling here and have our own musters. I just don't believe I am the only one in the whole department that is interested in this.
Help an old Scout out.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on March 08, 2013, 05:31:23 am
I've decided to kick this dead horse again.
I think the Alter Valley club out of Tucson is willing to let me shoot their
"open" category GAF style.  At one of the smaller matches. (they are pretty big this time of year.)
I think I would shoot half the rifle targets with the single shot and do a full pistol reload on a couple of stages,shoot all rifle targets making up misses with my "scout" rifle and full pistol reload on a couple, and maybe even use my expansion era 1917 Enfield and 1911 on a couple.  a taste of everything.  I don't want to take a lot of extra time per stage but let the others get a chance to see whats different about GAF.  Then maybe get more interest down the road.  
I know some of you out there have been able to shoot GAF with you cowboy clubs.  How have you integrated it into the monthly matches?  targets shot? reloads? shotgun targets?  misses or keep shooting?

If there is anyone around southern Arizona interested in trying this Whit me, let me know.  I might try at the march 17th match at Alter Valley.

regards.
Bvt. Maj Bow View Haymaker (or Haymajor or Hey Major)
GAF Signal Officer, Dept or the Platte Chiief of Scouts.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on March 08, 2013, 05:47:53 am
On another note,  I am thinking of asking the "Bordertown" directors about doing a GAF muster side match at the AZ state SASS shoot the end of October. the biggest constraint will be time.  their side match day was pretty full last year.  If a is open on side match day and I'm not needed otherwise I will try.  I will be sure to keep you posted. 
Just let me know of anyone is interested in being there.  It would sure help. 

regards.
Bvt. Maj Bow View Haymaker (or Haymajor or Hey Major)
GAF Signal Officer, Dept or the Platte Chiief of Scouts
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: pony express on March 08, 2013, 06:17:04 pm
Bowview, what we do at C.O.W.S. is shoot all the rifle targets with repeating rifle, half the targets with single shot, and engage all pistol targets, with reloads as needed, and skip the shotgun targets. We origionally shot ALL targets, but all the reloads to include the shotgun targets or shooting all targets with a single shot really slowed things down. This last season, we managed to get a few extra rifle targets set right at the berm, instead of the "big and close" ones everyone else shoots. Nobody really shoots GAF Scout style, since that's just SASS with one pistol and no shotgun. (or NCOWS Working Cowboy) We origionally tried shooting shotgun targets with our choice of weapons, but quickly discovered that shooting 5-6 yard shotgun poppers with a Krag: A. was no challenge at all. B. Cuased LOTS of lead splatter problems. Also note, 45-55-405 puts down those little shotgun poppers with AUTHORITY!! But also with considerable splatter.
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Bow View Haymaker on March 08, 2013, 09:06:59 pm
Pony Express,

You echoed my thoughts pretty close.  One part of me wants to shoot all the targets, more shooting=more fun, right?  But the other part of me wants to limit the single shots rounds to half and skip the shotgun targets and maybe even not do the pistol reload,  save ammo and not take to long for the SASS folks.  Maybe it will depend on the stage.   
Title: Re: GAF in Arizona - Call to Arms
Post by: Joe Lafives on March 16, 2013, 12:36:23 am
Bow:
I don't know if you ever get to Winter Range.  The Commander of the Dept of the Platte, LTC Sagebrush Burns, always attends, as does quite a few GAF members.  You may want to make contact for next year.  In the meantime, you may have some luck at Bordertown as well. 


Maj Joe Lafives
FA Cmdr
Dept of the Platte.