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CAS TOPICS => NCOWS => Topic started by: Ottawa Creek Bill on March 31, 2006, 01:08:45 PM
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Here are some early hats. All of these are pre 1880, except one. All of these are from the Peacemakers, by
R.L. Wilson
Bill
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/hat1.jpg)
Tintype from custers personal effects, four of his scouts; from left, Bill Comstock, Ed Gurrier, Thomas Adkins, and California Joe Milner, circa pre 1876
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/hat12.jpg)
Buffalo Skinners, circa 1876,
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/hat11.jpg)
Custer, naturally pre 1876.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/hat8.jpg)
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Here's some more;
Wyoming Cowboys, circa 1884. Nate Champion is second from right, standing.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/hat10.jpg)
Bill Cody, second from left, Ned Buntline (with Shirley Temple wig), left. Buntline toured with Cody from 1871-1873.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/hat7.jpg)
A young Cody, circa pre 1871.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/hat6.jpg)
Cody as a scout.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/hat5.jpg)
Young Cody again, seated left.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/hat4.jpg)
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Some more;
Missouri ruffians with anti slaverry activist, Dr. John Doy, the morning after his rescue, circa 1859.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/hat9.jpg)
Some Townies..Dodge City, circa, 1875.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/hat13.jpg)
Some more townies, with Federal Troops, circa 1868. Interesting caption.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/hat3.jpg)
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Well Fargo, circa 1867.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/hat2.jpg)
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Hey, that first pic looks just like a guy that used to work for me years ago. His name was Wayne. Doubt it's the same guy, though. He didn't wear any hat at all. Oh well.
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Thanks for sharing the pics, OCB!
Wormwood's double cartridge belt is intriguing as is the one shown on the other thread which has garnered many fine discussions in the past. Perhaps this type of cartridge belt was more prevalent than earlier thought due to the lack of extant photos? Of course the user may have simply had the local saddle shop stitch up what he wanted, at least it sounds logical.
Anyone else think the same?
Best regards and good researching!
'Ol Gabe
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The top hat is Pappy Hayes's hat (except his is black), The bottom one is my son William's hat. Exactly the same make and model as Pappy's, after we took the tea kettle and clothes steamer to it.
Bill
Pappy Hayes's Bailey.....
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/4483.jpg)
Will's Bailey, after reconstruction.......... ;)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/IMG_0881.jpg)
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Those wool felt Bailey's are one of the best wool felt to reshape. Ya did a good job on the binding Bill, not an easy task.
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I've been looking at that clearer version of the buffalo hunter picture since I got the "Peacemakers" for Christmas, it's in almost every book about buffalo hunters. I have decided that they are not really hide hunters, they are skinning it all wrong. They seem to have cut the hide up the side. White hide hunters split it up the belly, the Indians split it down the back most times I've heard.
I think they are about to get them some hump for supper and some nice pieces of hindquarter for making some jerky for the trail later.
I like the way they turned the head so it is facing the camera, can't tell if it's smiling though. ;)
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I've got a Bailey just like the top picture. Pretty nice hat, I think........... 8) ::) ;)
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California Joe died in 1876. That gives us a CONCRETE date. The pork pie hat was the predominant hat sold in the 1860's - 1870's according to most experts. The one thing that jumps out immediately is that VERY FEW CAS shooters have an authentic hat. ;D Ottawa Bill, I've seen that photo before BUT Bill Comstock was killed by the Cheyenne in August 1868. Sharp Grover (of Beecher Island fame) was with him when he died. Edmund Guerrier was a Cheyenne half breed and not a very reliable scout, as his wife was Cheyenne. Bill, I don't think this photo is from 1868, but seems to be mid 1870ish. It must be another Comstock or misidentification. Provenance? ;)
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Bill, I don't think this photo is from 1868, but seems to be mid 1870ish. It must be another Comstock or misidentification. Provenance? Wink
Kid,
Go back and look at the photo, it says circa pre 1876. We know that this tintype was found in Custer's personal effects, so we can be fairly sure that it was taken sometime before he got knocked off at the little big horn.
I like the way they turned the head so it is facing the camera, can't tell if it's smiling though. Wink
Del,
I think this is the mechanical bull they used in Dances With Wolves ;) ;)
Did you all take a look at Buffalo Bill's hat in the photo below the one where he is standing with the Elk Rack? (by the way, take a look at the pistols hanging from the tines on that rack).The hat looks rather small and sits really hgh on his head. It looks like he just got through beating the dust out of his carpet with it.
Bill
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Maybe he used it on the carpet in Grand Duke Alex's carpet in his tent on that hunt. ;D
Oh Boy, I'm in trouble again, Terry will se this. ::)
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I brought this hat over from the stampede string post, it's one of my favorites. There was a write up in this months True West that pretty much authenticates that this photo was made in 1868, and that these boys were in fact Texas Rangers. If you get that magazine you will find the article in "letters to the editor" section. There is a close up of the hat on the stampede string forum, if you want to get a closer look.
Bill
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/Hatstrings3-1.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/Hatstrings2TexasRangers1868.jpg)
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California Joe died in 1876. That gives us a CONCRETE date. The pork pie hat was the predominant hat sold in the 1860's - 1870's according to most experts. The one thing that jumps out immediately is that VERY FEW CAS shooters have an authentic hat. ;D Ottawa Bill, I've seen that photo before BUT Bill Comstock was killed by the Cheyenne in August 1868. Sharp Grover (of Beecher Island fame) was with him when he died. Edmund Guerrier was a Cheyenne half breed and not a very reliable scout, as his wife was Cheyenne. Bill, I don't think this photo is from 1868, but seems to be mid 1870ish. It must be another Comstock or misidentification. Provenance? ;)
Will you Bloody well aren't talkin' about my Wideawake, because the crease in mine is called an Arizona Peak or Oreano (spl?), the Photo of that crease placed in a family members Lid was in a Family Album & my Great Uncle let me view this Album that he kept & it was taken in the Mid 1870's. It's the 1 I'm wearing in my Avitar & in my Profile page here.
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I guess these pictures prove that most cowhands wore their hats pushed up on their foreheads with the brim mashed up as well...
Musta been quite a chore keeping them on during a strong wind.. ;)
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Although the 'Montana Peak' becomes popular/common in the 1880s & 1890s, they did exist earlier.
On page 15 of Picture Gallery Pioneers by Ralph W. Andrews, there is a photograph of the members of the 40th Parallel survey(1867-69). The man standing second from the left is wearing a 'Montana peak' hat. There are 28 men in the photo and great variety of hats.
Books
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Great pics OCB! Things like that help me get good ideas for the kind of hats I should be looking for.
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Del, they was skinning that buffler to eat. They split it down the back and are peeling it down to keep the meat clean. Just taking the hump, some ribs, probably the tongue and boudins. Note that they were smart enough to shoot a nice fat cow, not a stringy old tough bull. Yum, Yum. :D :P ;D
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I figgered that, but it's funny it is often listed as hide hunters. That's why I always study a picture before I even read the caption. Never know what ya might find, like grandpa sewn up in a canvas bag cause he don't want to homestead in Kansas. ;)
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Pards,
Look at the picture OCB posted, now look at the Gentleman facing the camera, standing directly behind the good Dr.
(who is seated if ya didn't know). I just purchased a hat from Tim Bender of TP&H Trading Co.
http://www.benderhats.com/bellcrown.html this afternoon that looks(in my opinion anyway) quite like it.
What do you think?
Cheers, Capt. John
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While I can't cite them right off the top of my head (pun intended) I believe I recall seeing that bell crowned style in several period photos. I want to say they were more from the '50s and '60s than from a later period, but I could be wrong.
To answer your question, though, I agree the one you bought does seem very similar to the one in the picture.
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Since the links to the Butcher photos seems to 'die' I've downloaded a couple of good ones, (these are 2mb files so they probably won't work real great on a dialup connection but it's the only way to get a good look at the details)
In the first one a lot of them are holding their hats so you can see the shapes of the crowns, it's dated 1889:
http://www.lone-gunman.com/Hats.jpg (http://www.lone-gunman.com/Hats.jpg)
and this one shows most of them holding their hats in a manner any hat vendor will say to never do, might account for some of the shapes,
http://www.lone-gunman.com/grip.jpg (http://www.lone-gunman.com/grip.jpg)
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George, what were the captions? These guys in the second picture sure look seedy! Grubby? I have always said we all look too neat when we shoot. We need to try for this type of look. ;D
Will Ketchum
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Do one a them hats look like the dreaded "Pinch Slope?" Whoever shaped it did a right fine job also. ;)
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George, what were the captions? These guys in the second picture sure look seedy! Grubby? I have always said we all look too neat when we shoot. We need to try for this type of look. ;D
Will Ketchum
The 1st picture, "Modern Woodmen of America at Ansley, Custer County, Nebraska" 1889
The 2nd picture, "Large group of men at Black Hills Basin Division Meeting, Mason City" 1905
I'm guessin' most of our hats don't look like the ones we see in period pictures because we don't treat them the way those guys did and that most of those are probably really cheap wool hats. They just look too floppy for fur felt, and those don't look like the sort of folks that would waste whiskey money on a hat.
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My ancient beaver Stetson hat looks like that. Ask Griz as he personally "endorsed" it by calling it a P.O.S. at the convention! ;D
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I've been looking at that clearer version of the buffalo hunter picture since I got the "Peacemakers" for Christmas, it's in almost every book about buffalo hunters. I have decided that they are not really hide hunters, they are skinning it all wrong. They seem to have cut the hide up the side. White hide hunters split it up the belly, the Indians split it down the back most times I've heard.
I think they are about to get them some hump for supper and some nice pieces of hindquarter for making some jerky for the trail later.
I like the way they turned the head so it is facing the camera, can't tell if it's smiling though. ;)
You are right those are soldiers with Gen. Crook
Cheers
Pawnee Bill
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Would have been before they traded the Sharps Carbines for Trapdoors then. Just goes to show that even soljerrs didn't always look like one. ;D
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Would have been before they traded the Sharps Carbines for Trapdoors then. Just goes to show that even soljerrs didn't always look like one. ;D
In that same vein
This is a interesting Image shows a great variety of hats in various states of disrepair
Note not one man wearing anything like a regulation uniform of particular interest is bottom row left old style mounted enlisted blouse with added shoulder boards and on right old style infantry enlisted blouse. Also not a man with stripes on his legs.
Cheers
Pawnee Bill
Title Maj. Noyes and officers of 2d Cavalry photographed and published by S. J. Morrow, Yankton D. T.
Call Number X-31745
Summary Captain Henry E. Noyes poses with six Second Cavalry officers on rock formations, during the Native American campaigns in the southern Black Hills, Dakota Territory. Possible identifications include from the top: Captain Thomas B. Dewees; next man down unknown; officer at center, Second Lieutenant Daniel C. Pearson; bottom, from left, Captain Henry E. Noyes; First Lieutenant William C. Rawolle; Second Lieutenant Frederick W. Kingsbury; First Lieutenant Samuel M. Swigert.
Date 1876.
Creator Morrow, Stanley J.
(http://photoswest.org/photos/10031626/10031745.jpg)
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An other great image of a wide variety of hats note they are all drab no Black.
Cheers
Pawnee Bill
Title Col. Royal and officers of the Third Cavalry photographed and published by S. J. Morrow, Yankton D. T.
Call Number X-31756
Summary U. S. Army Cavalry officers pose on a rock outcropping during the Native American Sioux campaigns, along French Creek in the Black Hills, Dakota Territory. Included are: First Lieutenant Joseph Lawson, Second Lieutenant James F. Simpson, Second Lieutenant Charles Morton, Captain Frederick Van Vliet, First Lieutenant Emmet Crawford, Major Julius W. Mason, Lieutenant Colonel William Royall, Second Lieutenant George F. Chase, Major Andrew W. Evans, Captain William H. Andrews, First Lieutenant Augustus C. Paul, Captain Anson Mills, Second Lieutenant Frederick Schwatka, Second Lieutenant Henry R. Lemly, Captain Charles Meinhold, First Lieutenant Alexander D. B. Smead, Second Lieutenant James E. H. Foster, First Lieutenant Albert D. King, Dr. V. T. McGillycuddy, and Second Lieutenant Bainbridge Reynolds.
Date 1876.
Creator Morrow, Stanley J.
Collection Views of General Crook's Expedition and the Black Hills
(http://photoswest.org/photos/10031751/10031756.jpg)
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Pawnee Bill, Is my esye sight failing> but to me the one sitting on the rock behind the four in front, looks like he is wearing a bib shirt. What do you think?
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Pawnee Bill, Is my esye sight failing> but to me the one sitting on the rock behind the four in front, looks like he is wearing a bib shirt. What do you think?
Sure look like it to me.
Cheers
Pawnee Bill
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Howdy all,
that same gentleman appears to be wearing cavalier boots. Take care.
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Pards, I'm surprised you didn't recognize him, that'd be Jim Boecke by golly!
Best regards and good researching,
'Ol Gabe
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Do one a them hats look like the dreaded "Pinch Slope?" Whoever shaped it did a right fine job also. ;)
Looks exactly like my favorite hat! Thanks for pointing it out, Del! ;D :D ;D
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Do one a them hats look like the dreaded "Pinch Slope?" Whoever shaped it did a right fine job also. Wink
Del,
Which one?? ???
Bill
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First one of Lonegunman's pictures, second row from front, in hand between the two guys on the left in the uniforms.
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First one of Lonegunman's pictures, second row from front, in hand between the two guys on the left in the uniforms.
The feller at the top of the stairs with the striped wingtip shirt looks like he's got one too
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Yep, sure does look like several center creased hats, but I don't really see much if any slope in any of them, but the photo did say 1889...my idea of a early hat is anything before 1880, but that just my personal prefference. I would be interested in knowing what the date for the second photo is....
Bill
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I brought this hat over from the stampede string post, it's one of my favorites. There was a write up in this months True West that pretty much authenticates that this photo was made in 1868, and that these boys were in fact Texas Rangers. If you get that magazine you will find the article in "letters to the editor" section. There is a close up of the hat on the stampede string forum, if you want to get a closer look.
Bill
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/Hatstrings3.jpg)
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/Hatstrings2TexasRangers1868.jpg)
I don't want to raise no fuss but that is a Buillion hat cord with tassels not a stampede string.
CHEERS
pAWNEE bILL
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but I don't really see much if any slope in any of them,
??? ???
(http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/4427/ansleywoodmenzq6.th.jpg) (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ansleywoodmenzq6.jpg)
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Pawnee,
Your right!! I've also heard them reffered to as Bonnet Strings as well, especially during the Civil War era, but isn't that a nice hat? Pawnee, I wasn't reffering to the tasels, if you'll look at my original photo, I've marked the area of where the hat string goes around his knee........Bill
Jerry,
It does look like it has a slope, it would be nice to see it from the side or at an angle...but it sure does look like it. ???
Bill
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Pawnee Bill, you're correct. The tassels hanging down are from the hat cord. The stampede string if that is what you want to call it is barely visible behind the hat brim on his leg. ;D ::)
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Jerry,
Heres an enlargement of the image. It sure is a slope, but with the amount of different hat shapes in that group, Its too bad we can see it at anothere angle to see if there are anymore dents iin it. But it is still a long way from the dreaded "Gus". E Pluribus Unum
Did you notice the quantity of unusually large ears in that group? :D :D
Bill
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y261/BillProctor123/AHats1.jpg)
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The name needs to be changed to "The Broken Trail" hat. For those who use Hollywood as a referance at least. ;D
Since most hats look like they have been beat-up and used hard, I offer this service fer a nominal fee. ;D
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Pawnee Bill, you're correct. The tassels hanging down are from the hat cord. The stampede string if that is what you want to call it is barely visible behind the hat brim on his leg. ;D ::)
Bill
That is in fact a great hat . I had never seen that image before think I'm going to make one of those up it's just to Kool for school.
On to the " dent" many if not most 19th century cowboy hats are soft and not laquered they will aquire dent in most imaginable places.
Cheers
Pawnee Bill
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This crease is the one that looks like my hat.
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Its too bad we can see it at anothere angle to see if there are anymore dents iin it. But it is still a long way from the dreaded "Gus". Did you notice the quantity of unusually large ears in that group? :D :D
I agree,I wondered if it had the same dent in the back.
You know, I did notice the big ears. I also noticed some faces that look very familiar. Ansley is about 26 miles south of where I live and alot of the families in this area have been here since their ancestors homesteaded. I wish we had some of the names that go with those faces! One of the boys in that picture is a dead ringer for one of my daughter's classmates.
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There is no way that hat does not have some slope to it, I've shaped to many hats over the years to not see it.
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There is no way that hat does not have some slope to it, I've shaped to many hats over the years to not see it.
But then there is the additional question of is the dent incedental or purpose made.?
Cheers
Pawnee Bill
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The one Rawhide Rio shows is not accidental.
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The one Rawhide Rio shows is not accidental.
I'll have to agree I was looking at an other pic.
Is this pic reliably dated?
Cheers
Pawnee Bill
(http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8802.0;attach=7151;image)
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Yes, it's out of the Solomon Butcher collection, he dated them and kept some notes because he was trying to preserve history. The picture is scanned from an 8X10 glass negative.
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Yes, it's out of the Solomon Butcher collection, he dated them and kept some notes because he was trying to preserve history. The picture is scanned from an 8X10 glass negative.
Thank you for the information I'll check it out.
now I have a lead to follow . Thanks for your effort.
Cheers
Pawnee Bill
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Thank you for the information I'll check it out.
now I have a lead to follow . Thanks for your effort.
Cheers
Pawnee Bill
Bill I think you can use the Butcher collection as primary documentation. Butcher's notes were extensive and I doubt the Smithsonian wouldn't be using them the way they are if they didn't consider them pretty authoritative.
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Boys,
the more I look at that hat in the blow-up the more it looks like a hole, as if it was slammed down on someting that had a dull point!!
If you look real close it actually has a flat bottom to the dent, and there seems to be what is a crack in the felt on the left hand side bottom of the hole.
At first I thought it might be on the photograph but on further examination it is actually in the hat itself.....??
I'll bet that dent (if it didn't have the crack in it) would hold about a quart of coffee...
Bill
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You know, I think it's probably where a small mortar round landed. Man think what that would have done to his head if he weren't wearing the hat. If we had the hat for closer examination we could probably determine the distance from the hat to the mortar and it's trajectory. :o ;) :D
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Pawnee Bill, if you don't have it the link to the collection is:
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/award98/nbhihtml/pshome.html
Pitspiter and I kind of like the whole collection, many are taken near his home and that is also my favorite place in the whole world. Nice views with no durn mountians or trees to ruin the view. ;)
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Have any of you seen this photo. It was in the March issue of True West. I like the hat on the man on the left.
KC
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n239/kc48970/cas2copy.jpg)
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Pawnee Bill, if you don't have it the link to the collection is:
http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/award98/nbhihtml/pshome.html
Pitspiter and I kind of like the whole collection, many are taken near his home and that is also my favorite place in the whole world. Nice views with no durn mountians or trees to ruin the view. ;)
Del'
No I dodn't have that link
thank You.
Cheers
Pawnee Bill
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The name needs to be changed to "The Broken Trail" hat. For those who use Hollywood as a referance at least. Grin
Del,
I think I'll just rename them, the "Robert Duval Special(s)" ;D ;D In the enlargment, what do you think of the damage? Does it look like he may have snagged it (the area that looks like a tear of some kind), or just damaged it in a drunken stupor?? Inquiring minds want to know.... ;) ;)
Bill
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Sadly Bill, you like most others have forgotten that the Pinch Slope was called the Tom Horn before most even knew who Robert Duval was, nobody eved drives like Steve McQueen any more. ::) ;D
The hat on the stairs, Pitspiter's morter theroy is as good as any, or steped on by a hoss or mule The other hat, the good one, looks like someone who knew what they were doing shaped it. Perhaps the western store at the mall in Grand Island, or perhaps they traveled all the way to Lincon to have that well know hat bender/cosie do it. ;D No guess not, the date is 1889. ;D
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Bill I think you can use the Butcher collection as primary documentation. Butcher's notes were extensive and I doubt the Smithsonian wouldn't be using them the way they are if they didn't consider them pretty authoritative.
Authoritative and definitive are really two different things!
The problems with the dating of photographs are legion. Although I have not found that image in the photo bank yet many others in the collection are dated ca. . Another potential problem is although he is dating his own work when were the date assigned are the wet plates dated are the dates assigned many years after the fact etc. This would apply to any image one is trying to evaluate, that is why I wanted to look at the source documents.
Just as an example a while back I was compiling some photos for some friends of early EoT’s and ran across this image in my collection
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g207/pawneebill/150d53ed.jpg)
On the back of the image written in pencil not in my hand was the note EoT 85
Figuring that could not be right I did some digging . The gloves were purchased at the Butterfield auction in March 88 so that would have to be no later than Apr. 88 , found the entry for when I obtained the hat it was at Winter range Feb 95. The backround looked like Coto de Caza the location of EoT but it moved in 95 to NORCO and the back round was not NORCO. This was driving me crazy . Upon further examination I concluded that the image was a scan of a print of a wet plate negative due to the ghosting stark quality of the whites. OK so I know two guys that do wet plates so I e-mailed the pic to them . The guy that took the pic wrote back and informed me that the pic was taken at Roaring Camp California in May 1995 as he had the negative and it was dated on the sight where it was taken. What dose all this mean well. This pic is less than 20 years old it was marked on the back and even with this so called dating the assigned date was 7 years off.
Just kind of show how these things can go.
Cheers
Pawnee Bill
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Sadly Bill, you like most others have forgotten that the Pinch Slope was called the Tom Horn before most even knew who Robert Duval
Del,
Well, no I haven't forgot as I've never called it the "Tom Horn", and thats not what it is called in my 1897 Sears, 1895 Montgomery Ward, or my 1886 Bloomingdales catalog.....Tom Horn is not mentioned in any of them ( ;)), so I don't think Ol Tom was getting any royalties for wearing a certain style of hat. On the other hand, I'll bet Ol Bobby Duval is getting his free........
As a matter of fact, the hat that looks like it the most is called the Sportsman's Hat (page 234)....at a $1.50, or the Govenor (page 233), at $2.00. These both appear to be hand shaped. The 1886 Bloomingdale's catalog doesn't show anything even remotely close to it.
Bill
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Authoritative and definitive are really two different things!
The problems with the dating of photographs are legion. Although I have not found that image in the photo bank yet many others in the collection are dated ca.
Pawnee.....
Exactly.........
Bill
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There could be a few mistakes in Butcher's collection through the years, but it is far more accurate than any other from that date. See Butcher not only took notes, when the collection was sold to NSHS in 1915, he helped with the cataloging. Plus the fact almost all of it exists as the negatives makes it better. His posing of items in the background to show them, but not center stage is a very valuble tool that sometimes drives one crazy.
For fun, type crossbow into the search. Then try to tell us why it is there. I have my theroy. ;D And I doubt they went to Renny-saunce Fairs at the local vinyard. ;)
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There could be a few mistakes in Butcher's collection through the years, but it is far more accurate than any other from that date. See Butcher not only took notes, when the collection was sold to NSHS in 1915, he helped with the cataloging. Plus the fact almost all of it exists as the negatives makes it better. His posing of items in the background to show them, but not center stage is a very valuble tool that sometimes drives one crazy.
For fun, type crossbow into the search. Then try to tell us why it is there. I have my theroy. ;D And I doubt they went to Renny-saunce Fairs at the local vinyard. ;)
Del
I still haven't been able to locate the image do you know what it is titled?.
Thanl You
Pawnee Bill
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Before Heading Out,
It is the second picture, the first is a print made from the neagative, the second one is clearer. The crossbow is on the roof.
The links in American Memory chance, for some security reason, a friend spend about two hours one day with the LOC folks, she explainded to me why, but I don't quite understand.
The Homepage for all the collections is
www.memory.loc.gov
The Denver Public Library Collecion is there ad one out of the Dakotas from just before and after 1900. It has some great picks of Bonanza Farming if you like Steam Traction Engines and Early Internal Compustion Tractors. There is one steamer pulling a 14 bottom plow in virgin prairie, those things send shivvers up my spine. I coss paths with those folks from time to time'
There is a lot of Brady photos in the collection also, plus some really good printed material. When you get to the home page, click on "all collections."