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CAS TOPICS => The Leather Shop => Topic started by: Major 2 on July 28, 2023, 10:12:06 AM
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I decided to bid on lot auction of holsters (I had posted a photo elsewhere)
So, I needed to get my others out and condition with Skidmore's too.
And said to myself, I suppose I need a grouping photo of that lot too.
There are several original WW2 bring backs among this group.
a couple of my own construction, and several by craftsmen on this very board.
Credit to:
David Carrico
Old West Reproductions®, Inc.
London Jack - UK
John Saffran
Outrider
Cliff Fendley Leather
I have a few more I decided not to take down in the reloading room as they are mounted up high.
A Russian Nagant WW2 holster and belt and a nickel spotted western holster gifted by my friend John Saffran.
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Wow, what a beautiful collection! Eye candy for leather aficionados. Thank you for posting the photos.
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Web holsters
Three of the WEB holsters are Commonwealth holsters, for 3 different pistols
The one shown top row greenish tint, is Canadian for the Browning Hi-Power dated 1944.
The other in that same photo "reverse side" is for the Webley & Scott MKIV or S&W M&P Victory 38 Cal. also dated 44.
The one alone in the other photo is for the Webley Mk VI and has a 43 date,
I spent the several hours conditioning them yesterday, and I'm about out for Skidmore's now...
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I spent the several hours conditioning them yesterday, and I'm about out for Skidmore's now...
Great stuff. I just opened a new jar of it myself.
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Impressive collection but more impressive is your knowledge of the history behind these Holsters..
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:) Ha !! ;)
DO NOT, under any circumstances play "Trivial Pursuit" with Major 2. ;D
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Ha ! used to play for money! ....... ::)
Thanks
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Very nice collection.
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I am excited to say the planets aligned on Wednesday and this original WW1 Sauer sidearm holster came with this Model 1913 Sauer & Sohn 7.65 auto pistol.
The gun was consigned at my frendly FFL, and I jumped on it, the holster was icing on the cake.
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Good find, Major! That holster is nice. Was there a closing strap that got taken off at some time in the past?
It looks like the slide is racked by the circular knob at the rear. Fascinating piece.
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I think it tore thru at the stitch holes.
The gun is in excellent condition, and yes that is the racking knob with the serrations.
Mine is a second variation made in 1916 the holster is the same era.
It will get a coat of Skidmore's restoration cream.
And I'll see if I can replace the missing strap.
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There were a few that were designed to be pulled at the rear of the slide or action. It's a nice piece. My favorite of that type is the Lahti.
That will be cool if you can match the old leather with a new strap. I look forward to the results.
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One of my friends (Marcel), is a partner there, and is somewhat my competition there are well.
That is, his likes are similar to mine and on occasion he gets first dibs. :-\
In this case though, the consigner brought in three guns.
So, Marcel (whose wife works there too) had a Dilemma, he could not swing buying both :)
He gave me the heads up and first refusal, which I did not hesitate on.
He chose the Baby Browning 25cal. pocket pistol, and that allowed me the Sauer.
I brought the Sauer home Wed, however he had put the holster safely away and forgot to give it to me then, so he texted me. I did not know about it until he did.
I pick it up Sat. morning. This is the photo he text me ;D
before and after Skidmore's
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So when you said the holster was just icing on the cake, you really meant it! ;D
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Yeah ! I guess :)
Since Wednesday, I had actually perused eBay to see if a vintage holster might turn up.
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There were a few that were designed to be pulled at the rear of the slide or action. It's a nice piece. My favorite of that type is the Lahti.
That will be cool if you can match the old leather with a new strap. I look forward to the results.
I agree and think it imperative it match.
I've seen vintage holsters with serious value ruined. Some of the rarer holsters are worth as much as the guns.
If I decide I can't pull it off, I'd rather not attempt it. Preserve it with Skidmore's sure but not alter it.
I watch a video on U Tube where a skilled guy does the work...
perhaps I will seek out a pro.
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I agree and think it imperative it match.
I've seen vintage holsters with serious value ruined. Some of the rarer holsters are worth as much as the guns.
If I decide I can't pull it off, I'd rather not attempt it. Preserve it with Skidmore's sure but not alter it.
I watch a video on U Tube where a skilled guy does the work...
perhaps I will seek out a pro.
That's a good plan. Done right, it will be spectacular. What is the video? I'd like to see how he does it.
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Mr. Tolly at scott@fatmanleather.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20aycu2fHOw
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Thanks for that link. I watched a couple of his videos and he's quite interesting. At least for a total leather addict. It was nice to learn about the P08 holsters and how they were originally made.
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Well Sir, here is the skinny upon closer examination.
He didn't happen to have it with him at the LGS when we traded so I pick the holster up today.
The main seam is tight, but the magazine pouch stitching is pulling out.
The skin marks are just that, no red rot :) the strap is completely missing not even a tab were it was sewn in the main seam ( my guess the main seam was redone years ago )
The two belt keepers are intact, and rivets are snug,
I've emailed Mr. Tolly, I'm not sure of his prices, I may go all out and have it done.
But if it is too pricy, I'll just condition it (already have actually) and keep it safe.
I have no plan to use it, just show with the gun. So, either way it will represent itself.
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I heard from Scott Tollefson scott@fatmanleather.com
and he said...
I did some extra research on these holsters to answer a few questions.
The texture on your holster is obviously worn, which is quite normal. I
can make a replacement strap and install it, but it will look like it
has been replaced, despite my best efforts to make it look original. I
usually make a few of them and try different techniques to get the best
match.
My shop labor rate is $65 per hour plus return shipping, this will take
about an hour.
Sadly with the extra issues the holster has, I see 3-4 hours labor maybe more, and that puts it into a fool's folly. :-\
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I think I may be better off, shadow boxing this holster as is.
But before I do make an exact pattern and duplicate the holster.
You can see where the retention strap was originally sewn into the main seam.
Here it is after Skidmore's,
I think the leather is Pig skin judging by the graining (your thoughts ? in any of my conclusions)
I think it about 7 oz and have no idea where I might find about a sq ft of hide ?
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Sounds like a simple plan. Either way, the holster is a very cool one. Congrats.
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I think I may be better off, shadow boxing this holster as is.
But before I do make an exact pattern and duplicate the holster.
You can see where the retention strap was originally sewn into the main seam.
Here it is after Skidmore's,
I think the leather is Pig skin judging by the graining (your thoughts ? in any of my conclusions)
I think it about 7 oz and have no idea where I might find about a sq ft of hide ?
From what I can see it does look like the strap was stitched into the main seam rather than on top of it. For a replacement, that would mean undoing the seam at least to that point. From a shadowbox standpoint, you might be able to make a strap and tuck it behind the holster after wet molding a tight bend into it so it gives the appearance of being attached.
It does look like pigskin. I have no idea where you could get a square foot of it unless you find a shop that uses it and can get a scrap from them.
The Skidmore's sure did wonders for it.
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That's an option, simulate the strap.
I had no plan to carry the pistol in the original, but it might be cool to have a replica of it.
I wonder if The Leather Guy has Pig Skin :-\
I have emailed him to see :) sales@theleatherguy.org
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A replica would be really nice. I hope you will be successful with The Leather Guy. Get enough for a holster and there should be enough for a strap on the original.
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Well yeah, don't forget the mag pouch has to come out of whatever they might have too.
I did make an offer on a neat vintage holster which is mis-described on eBay.
Seller stated it's for a S&W revolver...clearly it is European Military CZ-52 Pistol w/ a magazine pouch.
It is pebble grained and appear in good cond. and has a cleaning rod.
Offer accepted :)
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Well yeah, don't forget the mag pouch has to come out of whatever they might have too.
I did make an offer on a neat vintage holster which is mis-described on eBay.
Seller stated it's for a S&W revolver...clearly it is European Military small semi-auto w/ a magazine pouch.
It is pebble grained and appear in good cond. and has a cleaning rod.
Offer accepted :)
Very good. I look forward to photos when you get it. Have you identified what it is for yet?
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CZ-52 pistol holster...for $20 I could not be Happier :D
You can actually see the ghosted shape in this photo.
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Now that's a good deal! Beautiful leather in it. Congratulations.
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This what I want to put in it 8)
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That Tokarev will be right at home in it. What caliber are those? 10MM?
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7.62×25mm Tokarev... It is a derivative of Mauser's C-96 round w/ a hotter load.
On the left is the round I load for my C-96 and on the right for the Tokarev
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That's probably a good performing load.
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The Tokarev can shoot the rounds I load for the C 96 and seem to cycle OK
But I won't shoot the hotter Tok round in the C 96.
Note: I use hi tec bullets for the C 96 and jacketed for the Tokarev.
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That looked like cast vs jacketed. Easy way to tell them apart.
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Yes Sir, Hitec coated cast from Penn Bullets
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I've opted to try making a replica of the Sauer holster. I fabricated a pattern without any harm to the original.
I picked up some 7oz Pebble grained leather, it was prefinished and frankly some too glossy.
So, I used rubbing Isopropyl Alcohol and removed to gloss and rubbed some farther to get a patina.
Isopropyl Alcohol works a trick on alcohol based dyes.
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That leather will make a good looking holster. I look forward to seeing your progress on it.
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Yeah, it's real close (the original texture is pretty flattened out) and I'm also within a hue or two of the color :-\.
I have the belt loops sewn on and half of the Mag pouch, "Authur somebody" set in and hand was sore to continue this evening. *
I noted on the original, the belt loops originally were sewn on (rivets were an old repair I assume)
* after supper I felt bronco-ish and completed the Mag pouch, main seam tomorrow :-\
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That's going to be a nice one. Bum deal about the hand slowing you down.
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I'm somewhat my own worst critic...
This is the first attempted copy, I can't duplicate the fine stitching, and the pattern is a bit oversized,
resulting in this 1st one a bit off.
It works, but not quite there yet....
silver weight just holding the flap for the photo
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Looks pretty good. That pebble grain leather does have the right look.
If you want it to have more of that original appearance, you could trim the leather closer to the stitch line now that it's already stitched. Not close enough for the stitches to break out but just to reduce the amount of leather outside of them.
If you make another one, smaller stitches could help, too. Not as small as the original but maybe 2/3 the size of the ones you just did. Any smaller and you'd need smaller thread. And 18 year-old eyes. ;D
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Yeah, eyes would help, I already have trimmed the main seam and added the post.
In this photo it is complete, it was actually drying, and the edge had not been trimmed or burnished in the dual photo.
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That looks great! Trimming the edge did the trick. This could pass for an original. So the stitches are longer. That isn't a detraction. Love that leather. Nice job.
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Thanks, Coach
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LOL ;D
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Holster looks great! If you are still looking for a Baby Browning, let me know. We have a really nice one in the LGS I work at. I can send you pics tomorrow.
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Thanks, never say never, but acquisitions are somewhat stymied as mad stash funds are curtailed.
Since I retired, I find my sock drawer mainly houses just socks :) course there is lint.
But I best not lint it to myself, as it were ;)
Now days I window shop and IF I do stumble across a treasure, it's trade or sell something I might rather not. :-\
The 3 Guns that were consigned were the Baby Browning, a S&W .32 Double-Action, and the "now mine" Sauer.
I traded a used Beretta 950 Jetfire :D for the Sauer in even trade I'm still smiling about !!!
The Baby sold and The Smith is still languishing and overpriced IMHO.
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I am near completion of the 2nd. version...The 1st. I'll call my prototype.
I have tightened up my hand stitching a bit and trimmed the pattern some.
So far, it has been a plus :)
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Perusing eBay for the occasional vintage holster, mostly looking for one to go with a piece I own.
I see these similar European military at price ranging from $38- $125...
The designs did not alter all that much from the Great War small side arms.
The second below is dated Oct 1973
the 4th is for the Yugoslavian Military Zastava M 70
These are not mine, just samples of eBay offerings.
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If it fits, it sits! No need to change a design that does the job.
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2nd model
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The 2nd model is a huge win. Looks great!
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Thanks again :)
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Latest acquisition is this CZ 52 Tokarev officers holster.
I saw it mis-identified on eBay, seller stated it was for a S&W revolver ???
I knew it was an officer CZ 52 Tokarev holster.
I have yet to rub in Skidmores, but it is quite supple & in remarkable condition.
Shown here with my Tokarev pistol.
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What a nice holster. It's in beautiful condition. Great find. Congrats.
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Thanks, it is...I cleaned & treated it to a coat of Skidmore's
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Skidmore's is the best I've found for old leather. It must be outstanding, now.
It works wonders with old wooden tool handles, too.
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First photo on the first page....... holster to the right of the paddle holster on the left. Would love a pattern for that one. Cool looking holster.
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this one ?
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When you collect "pocket pistols" you end up also collecting holsters for these smaller framed pistols.
Books
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Those small frame holsters look great. What a fine collection. I particularly like those pocket holsters. Thanks for sharing.
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Very nice Books
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Part Of My Collection.
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Nice looking holsters, there. They look mighty nice. Thanks.
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this one ?
The one to the left of the brown one in the center.
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First photo on the first page....... holster to the right of the paddle holster on the left. Would love a pattern for that one. Cool looking holster.
I guess we are not communicating :-\
"right of the paddle holster on the left" is the one I cut and pasted?
"left of the brown one in the center." well the brown one in the center is a original 1929 Bauer Brothers Duty holster, and to its left is an original M37 British issue Web " Revolver pouch" (they don't call them holsters) for the Enfield pistol.
The one just below is a German P38 Mauser holster dated 44 (it is actually black and worn patina)
That makes the holster left of it, a Dave Carrico pattern for the S&W #3
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I guess we are not communicating :-\
"right of the paddle holster on the left" is the one I cut and pasted?
"left of the brown one in the center." well the brown one in the center is a original 1929 Bauer Brothers Duty holster, and to its left is an original M37 British issue Web " Revolver pouch" (they don't call them holsters) for the Enfield pistol.
The one just below is a German P38 Mauser holster dated 44 (it is actually black and worn patina)
That makes the holster left of it, a Dave Carrico pattern for the S&W #3
Sorry, on the original photo I am talking about the 2nd one from the left. Next to the swivel holster.
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Ok, that is the one as in thread. #60
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Ok, that is the one as in thread. #60
Yes