Greetings All,
Figure to stir the pot a bit and ask if anyone been shooting their 76 while the site been getting fall cleaning?
Wish I had a report to give but alas and alack between family and my little retirement job in the gun shop i haven't had
time to burn any powder. :(
November is a coming and that means whitetail season here in Tennessee so hope to get the 45-75 out for a few sight check
shots soon! ;D
What about others out there?
P.B.
Quote from: pinto beans on September 07, 2018, 07:15:11 PM
Greetings All,
Figure to stir the pot a bit and ask if anyone been shooting their 76 while the site been getting fall cleaning?
Wish I had a report to give but alas and alack between family and my little retirement job in the gun shop i haven't had
time to burn any powder. :(
November is a coming and that means whitetail season here in Tennessee so hope to get the 45-75 out for a few sight check
shots soon! ;D
What about others out there?
Yeah Mr PB -- been foolin round with mine - (Uberti 45/75) - testin loads to the point I thunk I confused meself - and along the way shootin off stuff that I loaded ages ago ..... wads versus no wads ? I gotta use a wad in mine - early on I loaded stuff without wad. groups are about half size with a wad in.
Mr Dusty Texian got me excited months ago about the possibilities of these guns for longer range with single loaded heavy boolit - (Winchester sold these loads a 450 gr paper patch over 90 grains of powder) the possibility is there but its an ongoing project at this stage, have gone up as heavy as the Lyman 535 gr Postell and the rifle seems to handle it ok - that and the 500grain LEE pointy boolit (that n dont like the wind but on a nice day will shoot well).
Mine is still vertical stringing the first couple of shots cold - has got better but still doing it - if I leave it in the sun to warm up to body heat is enough to stop that. Have killed a lot of paper in the last six months with it!
P.B.
Hey Amigo's , like Y'all I have been laying off the shooting , Hot weather has slowed down my shooting . Now its getting a smidge cooler it has been raining like all get out . Besides a few rounds out of my Express rifle the big .50 , have not been shooting much . Hope that is about to change soon, also want to get back to some long shooting with the EHB 45/75 as soon as I can Greyhawk look forward to comparing notes . Remember Mr. Pinto Beans retirement means you get to go play a bit . Hope this finds Y'all well. Adios ,,,DT
Quote from: dusty texian on September 11, 2018, 05:40:55 PM
Hey Amigo's , like Y'all I have been laying off the shooting , Hot weather has slowed down my shooting . Now its getting a smidge cooler it has been raining like all get out . Besides a few rounds out of my Express rifle the big .50 , have not been shooting much . Hope that is about to change soon, also want to get back to some long shooting with the EHB 45/75 as soon as I can Greyhawk look forward to comparing notes . Remember Mr. Pinto Beans retirement means you get to go play a bit . Hope this finds Y'all well. Adios ,,,DT
Hey Dusty -
nice to hear from you again - yeah I been off doing other stuff too (work) a bit of disconnected shooting along the way
Just fired some heavy boolits at the 100yard with nice results - but me phone is flat so cant post pics till I get it charged - will do that tonight - check back tomorrow I think you might like what you see :D
Greyhawk
Quote from: greyhawk on September 11, 2018, 10:32:51 PM
Hey Dusty -
nice to hear from you again - yeah I been off doing other stuff too (work) a bit of disconnected shooting along the way
Just fired some heavy boolits at the 100yard with nice results - but me phone is flat so cant post pics till I get it charged - will do that tonight - check back tomorrow I think you might like what you see :D
Greyhawk
For Dusty ------Ok lets see here
First the loads
1) a CBE (Cast Bullet Engineering = Aussie company, brass mold) I use at 535 grains in my Sharps its a close copy of the Lyman postell from what I can figure - I like the boolit but at 535 grains thought its a tad heavy in the 76 so I lathe turned the base band and one lube groove off it - makes about 475 grains (he will duplicate that shortened mold for me if I want one at no extra charge) Boolits were shot as cast -- loaded over 70 grains of my FFg with a 55thou HDPE wad overpowder and a single newsprint wad at the boolit base. Cases are full chamber length and the boolit has one lube groove exposed.
2) LEE 459-500-3R loaded same as the above - only difference was more compression on the LEE
Both rounds chamber ok in my rifle as is
Shooting at 100yards - Fired three warm up shots - then .....
1) five with the CBE - this target has six holes, one warm up shot in the lower group does not count - so there are two there then check the scope then the three shot group above it is consecutive shots. That 3 group goes an inch and one eighth
2) five with the LEE (second target) again six shots here - the one in the edge of the white is a previous shot not patched - fired two check the scope, fired three - got two nice pair - but oooops - I have a lock screw on the windage on my homemade tang sight, its come loose under recoil and looks like dialed myself crossways a couple inches for the last three shots.
So one nice group of three and three nice pairs - dang it every time I take my hands off the rifle to check scope, shuffle my feet, move the forward rest a little, my point of impact changes some - - I really struggle at this level to get clear sight picture too.
Sooooo this is still a work in progress but the fruit is there for the pickin I reckon
That's minute of deer in any wood's. Nice shooting.
Quote from: greyhawk on September 12, 2018, 07:11:15 PM
For Dusty ------Ok lets see here
First the loads
1) a CBE (Cast Bullet Engineering = Aussie company, brass mold) I use at 535 grains in my Sharps its a close copy of the Lyman postell from what I can figure - I like the boolit but at 535 grains thought its a tad heavy in the 76 so I lathe turned the base band and one lube groove off it - makes about 475 grains (he will duplicate that shortened mold for me if I want one at no extra charge) Boolits were shot as cast -- loaded over 70 grains of my FFg with a 55thou HDPE wad overpowder and a single newsprint wad at the boolit base. Cases are full chamber length and the boolit has one lube groove exposed.
2) LEE 459-500-3R loaded same as the above - only difference was more compression on the LEE
Both rounds chamber ok in my rifle as is
Shooting at 100yards - Fired three warm up shots - then .....
1) five with the CBE - this target has six holes, one warm up shot in the lower group does not count - so there are two there then check the scope then the three shot group above it is consecutive shots. That 3 group goes an inch and one eighth
2) five with the LEE (second target) again six shots here - the one in the edge of the white is a previous shot not patched - fired two check the scope, fired three - got two nice pair - but oooops - I have a lock screw on the windage on my homemade tang sight, its come loose under recoil and looks like dialed myself crossways a couple inches for the last three shots.
So one nice group of three and three nice pairs - dang it every time I take my hands off the rifle to check scope, shuffle my feet, move the forward rest a little, my point of impact changes some - - I really struggle at this level to get clear sight picture too.
Sooooo this is still a work in progress but the fruit is there for the pickin I reckon
I like the looks of that bullet and the rifle seems to like it too. Greyhawk you get good accuracy from your Uberti 1876 rifle using Bp. Your work using the Bp. and heavy / long bullets are very interesting . I hope to get some range time in during the next few months as the weather cools here in Texas .The 45/75 is the best choice for long range Bp. shooting with the 1876 Winchester / Uberti . Like KM , said Good Shooting .,,,,,DT
Quote from: dusty texian on September 13, 2018, 06:03:07 AM
I like the looks of that bullet and the rifle seems to like it too. Greyhawk you get good accuracy from your Uberti 1876 rifle using Bp. Your work using the Bp. and heavy / long bullets are very interesting . I hope to get some range time in during the next few months as the weather cools here in Texas .The 45/75 is the best choice for long range Bp. shooting with the 1876 Winchester / Uberti . Like KM , said Good Shooting .,,,,,DT
Thanks for the encouragement DT (and KM too) ----dunno where this will lead but am enjoying the ride - it kind of takes the lever gun out of its norma place - but the 76 was sposedly the only lever rifle to figure in the buffalo slaughter - and a 500 grain slug over 70 grains of powder puts it squarely in that patch (am intending to chrono that load soon) ...I need to get away from my 100yard range now but its too convenient, just 20 paces walk past my garage door.
cheers Greyhawk.
;D Here's one for you boys
Forgive me if this seems a little boastful but I been trying to do this for ages
Nice groups are nice but in the money zone is really nice!
100 yards this morning, a bit of light breeze right to left across my range - nice clear day - eyes workin not so bad, this 76 has tormented me at times - I laid it in the sun on the back of the lounge right close to the window this morning for half an hour, nicely warm but not hot to handle - a fouler in the berm then hunkered down and shot 5 - no scope to distract me - pulled one a little bit high and right but pretty good result.
The load -
70 grains of my own FFg powder, drop tube - light compression
60 thou x 461 HDPE overpowder wad (I cut those from the sides of 15 litre water container.)
CBE (Cast Bullet Engineering) 460-535PB boolit, pan lubed and unsized --I lathe turned the base band and one lube groove OFF of it and weighs now a whisker over 470 grains (will order a new mold cut the same today)
Boolit is seated with one lube groove and a third of the second band exposed and of course these longuns are a single load deal
NOT crimped but I made two swage dies
1) with about a two degree taper I use to turn the bell mouth back in after loading on this case and the 45-70 and
2) a straight die that gives me .4835 to .4840 overall neck diameter - I run that one to the base of the neck as the last operation in loading
My brass is formed from 348W shells and its thick in the neck - a pretty slick (only just) fit in my rifle - I dont resize my cases - if those necks get out to .485 they are right stiff or will not chamber!
OUTSTANDING! Satisfying when a plan comes together.
Quote from: Sarge on September 18, 2018, 09:20:52 PM
OUTSTANDING! Satisfying when a plan comes together.
thanks Sarge it was a little better than it looked even - I just realised I messed up the picture - was not paying attention when I pinned the target - I shot it upside down down and actually posted the picture with the target right way up but that put the group upside down - the shot I pulled out of the group was a little high and right (been doin that one for near thirty years - stray shot at one or two o clock to the main cluster) have corrected the glitch in my post.
Some fine shooting and loading Greyhawk , you sure are making it hard on a fellow that cant get to the range . But seeing your progress sure is good. Keep it up Amigo .,,,DT
Quote from: dusty texian on September 19, 2018, 10:55:05 AM
Some fine shooting and loading Greyhawk , you sure are making it hard on a fellow that cant get to the range . But seeing your progress sure is good. Keep it up Amigo .,,,DT
Dusty
The wheel is about to turn! I hit the road for work soon (start of October) and probably wont shoot the 76 again till after christmas. So I am counting on some nice targets and some hunting pics from you fellers to keep me sane as I travel.
If you had showed me that last target I posted, a year ago and said you can do that old feller , I woulda just laughed - so have to say a big thanks for the encouragement along the way.
Greyhawk.
greyhawk,
Indeed does look even better than it did! Keep turning the pic, maybe it'll keep getting better. ;D
greyhawk and dusty texian,
Have you ever thought about trying a paper patch bullet with a lube cookie? Since your loading one at a time anyway, I think it would be a neat deal. You wouldn't have to worry about the exposed grease grooves and could put more grease if needed. This is what I plan on doing when I get my '76, basically doing the same kind of PP loads for it as my sharps for long range, with some minor tweaks, I expect.
DT that EHB of yours might just be quite the daisy with these loads.
Sarge
Quote from: greyhawk on September 19, 2018, 04:48:20 PM
Dusty
The wheel is about to turn! I hit the road for work soon (start of October) and probably wont shoot the 76 again till after christmas. So I am counting on some nice targets and some hunting pics from you fellers to keep me sane as I travel.
If you had showed me that last target I posted, a year ago and said you can do that old feller , I woulda just laughed - so have to say a big thanks for the encouragement along the way.
Greyhawk.
Again Great Shooting , proves that the Uberti can be very accurate with Bp. loads . Good luck on your work travels . My shooting and hunting season is just around the corner . Will post results as they happen . Hope to take a few animals with the 76 rifles this yr. and as the weather cools will start back shooting the EHB 45/75. I intend to test some bullets that are in the 420 gr. range . And Sarge yes I have tried PP bullets in my 45/60 target rifle and they gave good results but did not test many , something I would like to get back to . I may try the PP bullet load in the EHB 45/75 this fall. If I do I will ask my friend Ranch13 Don to give me some pointers . I would like to try and produce a cartridge that is close to the Winchester 45/90 Long Range Load for the 45/75 76 rifle . ,,,,,DT
DT,
Don knows of what he speaks, for certain. I've got a couple PP molds that work good shooting dirty in my sharps 45 2.1, that I think will work good in the 45-75. Be glad to send you some to try, if you want, let me know.
Quote from: Sarge on September 20, 2018, 10:30:32 AM
DT,
Don knows of what he speaks, for certain. I've got a couple PP molds that work good shooting dirty in my sharps 45 2.1, that I think will work good in the 45-75. Be glad to send you some to try, if you want, let me know.
Sarge thanks for the generous offer , I have so many loads waiting for test now and not sure when I will get to them . When I get closer and start testing the PP bullets I may take you up on the offer . Have you tried any PP loads in a 76 ? ,,,DT
dt,
No, I have not procured my '76 yet but PP is all I shoot in my Shiloh's, so I definitely wont to try them.
BTW, I talked to your barrel maker for the EHB, he said he could make me a EHB like yours for a Uberti, or anything else I wanted.
Correct me if I'm wrong yours is 1-22 twist and I believe the Uberti's are 1-36?
Quote from: Sarge on September 20, 2018, 05:54:09 PM
dt,
No, I have not procured my '76 yet but PP is all I shoot in my Shiloh's, so I definitely wont to try them.
BTW, I talked to your barrel maker for the EHB, he said he could make me a EHB like yours for a Uberti, or anything else I wanted.
Correct me if I'm wrong yours is 1-22 twist and I believe the Uberti's are 1-36?
Sarge
The Uberti website says the 45/75 is 1:20 twist the other calibres are slow twist for Express length boolits - If you buy a new Uberti i think I would hang back on the new barrel a least till you wring the best out of the one it comes with - probably gonna surprise you. Mine had had me slack jawed several times !
greyhawk,
Now that makes since on the twist, I was thinking about 50-95 and typing about 45-75, don't know if it's the age or the miles that causes that.
I will definitely wring it out, just love the way heavy and bull barreled rifles look.
Do the Uberti chambers have freebore?
Quote from: Sarge on September 20, 2018, 05:54:09 PM
dt,
No, I have not procured my '76 yet but PP is all I shoot in my Shiloh's, so I definitely wont to try them.
BTW, I talked to your barrel maker for the EHB, he said he could make me a EHB like yours for a Uberti, or anything else I wanted.
Correct me if I'm wrong yours is 1-22 twist and I believe the Uberti's are 1-36?
Yes Sarge , Bob made my 45/75 WCF EHB with a ROT of 1 in 22" . The 50/95 WCF barrel that he made me has a ROT of 1 in 36" , you are right he can make anything you want and is dang good at it . Both of the barrels he has made me are absolutely great . ,,,DT
Quote from: Sarge on September 21, 2018, 09:36:22 AM
greyhawk,
Now that makes since on the twist, I was thinking about 50-95 and typing about 45-75, don't know if it's the age or the miles that causes that.
I will definitely wring it out, just love the way heavy and bull barreled rifles look.
Do the Uberti chambers have freebore?
Sarge I have a problem with terminology (nobody taught me) so try to answer with some measurements
I cut some target cases full chamber length (trial and error method with an overlength case trim and fit till it was neat as I could get) so case overall length is .1960 -- my target round is loaded so the leading edge of the forward driving band is .2060 from case base and at that it just touches the rifling proper - maybe 2-5 thou? it puts a little mark into the band but you can seat it with your thumb - the front band is full diameter .459 -.460 --- Brass is formed from 348 and loaded cases measure .4842 - 484 OD - if I crinkle one a tiny bit - out to .4855 it will not chamber so to my thinking there aint any spare room at all there - fired brass measures almost exactly same as loaded rounds - neck diameter is hardly moving and I am not sizing only run a swage die over them at the end. I am shooting boolits as cast now and .459 - .460 (I am measurng this stuff with digital calipers NOT a micrometer so there is a bit of wiggle room in it). Getting a decent solid overpowder wad in the load was probably the biggest single advance I think.
Quote from: Sarge on September 21, 2018, 09:36:22 AM
greyhawk,
Now that makes since on the twist, I was thinking about 50-95 and typing about 45-75, don't know if it's the age or the miles that causes that.
I will definitely wring it out, just love the way heavy and bull barreled rifles look.
Do the Uberti chambers have freebore?
Other thing that proly needs doin with a new one (I have not done mine yet) is pull the forearm and magazine , hangers and all off and accurise it - ya need Dusty's help with that I reckon - my rifle always throws a couple of cold shots low - its got a bit better as its loosened up some and if I leave it lay in the sun for a while to warm up it dont happen at all .
greyhawk,
Thanks for the responses. I will definitely keep that in mind on the forearm and magazine.
Finally the weather has cooled a bit and the rain has somewhat stopped long enough for some shooting , the 50 Express rifle load is shooting about as good as it will get I think . The Express sights handle and show good for me , I think any animal that gets within 150 yd. of me and that combo is in serious trouble . The little parts carbine is so handy its getting a bit of shooting /hunting this season also . Have settled on a load that really shoots good in the old gun ,a Winchester mold cast bullet 45-60 @ 300 gr. 61 gr. of Swiss 2ff , Winchester primer , Jamison case all put together with the 45-60 tong tool. That little gun feeds so slick and holds its own at 100 yd. that it is going to be my Jeep gun throughout the hunting season , that means it will get lots of use starting in about two weeks . Guess I have rambled enough , hope all are well and in good health . Adios Amigos . ,,,DT
Quote from: dusty texian on October 21, 2018, 11:29:32 AM
Finally the weather has cooled a bit and the rain has somewhat stopped long enough for some shooting , the 50 Express rifle load is shooting about as good as it will get I think . The Express sights handle and show good for me , I think any animal that gets within 150 yd. of me and that combo is in serious trouble . The little parts carbine is so handy its getting a bit of shooting /hunting this season also . Have settled on a load that really shoots good in the old gun ,a Winchester mold cast bullet 45-60 @ 300 gr. 61 gr. of Swiss 2ff , Winchester primer , Jamison case all put together with the 45-60 tong tool. That little gun feeds so slick and holds its own at 100 yd. that it is going to be my Jeep gun throughout the hunting season , that means it will get lots of use starting in about two weeks . Guess I have rambled enough , hope all are well and in good health . Adios Amigos . ,,,DT
Hey Dusty
(Probably my last hurrah for a while) Been messing with burnt out pump and empty troughs - daylight till dark sunday and again this morning - finally got it right and - I AM OVER THIS!!! .
Havent shot for a while so pulled out the 76 for a final shoot before I go off to work again .
Ten at 100yards with the new CBE boolit
Had the rifle warmed up good but still dropped the first one a little low then I got three nice clusters - three shots on the left, four in the center, two joining on the right ( I think - not sure which one of those holes got four in but its in there someplace) - the whole thing is 1inch and 5/8th wide x 7/8 inch vertical -- I think those clusters probably what the barrel and load can do and the spread is what I did to it :) All shot with no cleaning - blow tube about every third - but I think would do just as well without .
Have settled on this boolit for my target round - its .460dia x 466 grains CBE mold from here in Aus - If you took one base band and lube groove off a Lyman Postell would be almost identical - 72 grains of my FFg powder - 45 thou HDPE plastic wad.
Front band of that boolit just touching the rifling . That round in the picture loads quite comfortably - but much longer it would be tricky to get it in at all - I been pondering on that 90 grain PP load you showed - (man you started something with that one picture!!) - you could proly squash it in the case (Swiss powder) but dunno if the round would still load - might just be too long. Somewhere down the track I will get a chrono on this load of mine - it sounds and feels ok
I made the tang sight on this rifle, and the powder, so am pretty happy with the whole thing.
Was gonna pull the magazine off this girl and proly do it after christmas - relieve that forend wood - may even make a button mag for it (dont really like em but if it would get rid of that walk up the target deal !) its time for some long range work with this setup too.
Well hope you get some fun hunting in the next couple months.
cheers
Greyhawk
What do you do that you're gone for months at a time? If I may ask?
Quote from: King Medallion on October 22, 2018, 12:41:24 AM
What do you do that you're gone for months at a time? If I may ask?
Always have trouble explaining it - I am a kind of a consultant in the alternative side of agriculture - energy medicine for farms, soils and livestock - have a few pieces of gear I make and sell as part of it - clients are mainly people wanting to get away from the full on chemical side of agriculture - some are organic certified - some just want to do a better job at less cost. We work with energy - lots of people cant understand it/or wont accept it - the chi energy or life force that the martial arts guys talk about. Its real just cant see it.
Most rural people are ok with water divining - you know - the forked stick or L rods to find a well site? Well that works with energy lines around buildings and such too. You can do all this stuff remotely - I did a job for some people in Germany just working off of Google earth maps and her description of the place - didnt charge - she was sister to a client out here and it didnt take long - got a travel voucher in the mail to cover my ticket to the USA in 2008 so something must have worked! I dont make a lot of money but I have a lot of fun and I enjoy the travel part of it - so I hit the road for a month to six weeks at the time maybe a third of the year - its been really slow this year because we have had a major drought all up the eastern side of Aus - I go as far north as Townsville in north Queensland and around as far as Adelaide in south australia - Adelaide is about 1000km south west of me and townsvill about 2500km north - we have a small farm 40 km out of town - between trips I hunker down and build gear for the trips, do a bit of farm stuff and get to shoot some, pretty lucky really.
Greyhawk my friend , like they say life is what you make of it . And you are making the most of it . Doing what you like and what is important to you helping others make a better world . The shooting with the pointy bullet has come along very well for you , excellent shooting and loading . The case in the pic. loaded with the pointy bullet is very well formed , are you counting how many shots that case has made ? Another question , after a few shots are you having any trouble chambering a loaded round , because of the closeness of the front bullet band to the lands ? Making the powder you use to shoot with and the rear sight , do make your accomplishments greater . You stating that I started something with the showing of the long range bullet is great , but I must say your efforts in getting the most accuracy from a 76 is just as much a motivator for me . Thanks for sharing your efforts with me and I am sure I am not alone . Safe travels my friend .,,,,DT
Quote from: dusty texian on October 22, 2018, 07:38:07 AM
Greyhawk my friend , like they say life is what you make of it . And you are making the most of it . Doing what you like and what is important to you helping others make a better world . The shooting with the pointy bullet has come along very well for you , excellent shooting and loading . The case in the pic. loaded with the pointy bullet is very well formed , are you counting how many shots that case has made ? Another question , after a few shots are you having any trouble chambering a loaded round , because of the closeness of the front bullet band to the lands ? Making the powder you use to shoot with and the rear sight , do make your accomplishments greater . You stating that I started something with the showing of the long range bullet is great , but I must say your efforts in getting the most accuracy from a 76 is just as much a motivator for me . Thanks for sharing your efforts with me and I am sure I am not alone . Safe travels my friend .,,,,DT
Dusty - thanks!
Q Cases - no not counting - not that well organised :) I takes (at least) four full BP loads to blow these 348 cases out.
I dont size em at all, dont neck size either, have some here I reckon done 8 loads just nicely formed out
I got LEE dies to start with and did the initial forming of the shoulder with their FL die but its (like most commercial dies) too hard on brass so I made a body die that just touches the swelling at the rear end above the solid head - have only needed to use it on a few (think I got a bit caried away annealing some cases and softened em too far down) - just brings it in a couple thou
I made a taper crimp die ages ago for a 45/70 that just turns the neck in a little - just enough to not have a sharp edge.
- any chambering problems I had with this rifle have mostly been at the front end - the old shoulder area of the 348 case makes a little ridge just ahead of the 45/75 shoulder where the brass is a few thou thicker inside - these pointy boolits dont load that deep nor do my 335 grainers but the 405 grain does - so sometimes get a little swelling there and I get a bit heavy handed crimping sometimes too.
The rifle seems to like a fat boolit and that together with the thick case necks - there is no spare room up front at all - I made another small swage die that I use on the outside of the case neck after its loaded - straightens out the crimp and any other little bumps down the neck -.484 OD after I run em through that - and they chamber slick as can be - at .4855 the bolt will not close !!
Neck diameter of fired rounds is barely moving and they come out clean as they went in - no crud at all only inside the case
Q Not having trouble chambering rounds - did fifteen today all up and no sign of it, last one was as easy as the first - I thnk what I shot today was about five thou off the lands - real close but not quite touching. I boast my powder up - think that might be a factor in this !
Well thanks for the feedback
Greyhawk
Greyhawk I noticed you are using the HDPE wad , have you noticed an advantage over say a cork or wax paper wad ? ,,,DT
Quote from: dusty texian on October 25, 2018, 12:43:24 PM
Greyhawk I noticed you are using the HDPE wad , have you noticed an advantage over say a cork or wax paper wad ? ,,,DT
Cant really say Dusty - fellers on the other forum are using the LDPE with their paper patch boolits - I was a bit hesitant to try this HDPE but thought a bit thicker wad might help and couldnt find the low density stuff so I went ahead - those plastic wads are a bit inclined to stick if you dont clean the boolit bases off - I found a couple 50 yards up the range from when I started with em - now I use a cloth pad soaked with WD40 and another dry one beside it to wipe any lube off the boolit base before I seat them (just a couple pieces of folded flannellette sheet from the rag bag)
The juice box wads (waxed paper) I was using were oversize - they didnt fit nice - I made a better wad punch so everything fits neater but havent tried those again since - I will go back and do it - if they shoot as well they are a lot easier to use.
I think I am shooting a bit better each time (patchy though :))
am proly bein' a bit more perticular with loading process too maybe?
have not tried a heavier card wad, nor the cork or other gasket material either.
I have a hunch the tight fitting necks of my cases are doing a lot to help - thats something the bench rest guys always do
The whole thing is interesting - its like that rifle is just teasing me on - I looked hard at that target I posted the other day - those joined up clusters - 3 and 4 shots in yr thumbnail and its like "if I could see clear and hold a tad better lookit what this girl could do
Quote from: greyhawk on October 25, 2018, 04:25:06 PM
Cant really say Dusty - fellers on the other forum are using the LDPE with their paper patch boolits - I was a bit hesitant to try this HDPE but thought a bit thicker wad might help and couldnt find the low density stuff so I went ahead - those plastic wads are a bit inclined to stick if you dont clean the boolit bases off - I found a couple 50 yards up the range from when I started with em - now I use a cloth pad soaked with WD40 and another dry one beside it to wipe any lube off the boolit base before I seat them (just a couple pieces of folded flannellette sheet from the rag bag)
The juice box wads (waxed paper) I was using were oversize - they didnt fit nice - I made a better wad punch so everything fits neater but havent tried those again since - I will go back and do it - if they shoot as well they are a lot easier to use.
I think I am shooting a bit better each time (patchy though :))
am proly bein' a bit more perticular with loading process too maybe?
have not tried a heavier card wad, nor the cork or other gasket material either.
I have a hunch the tight fitting necks of my cases are doing a lot to help - thats something the bench rest guys always do
The whole thing is interesting - its like that rifle is just teasing me on - I looked hard at that target I posted the other day - those joined up clusters - 3 and 4 shots in yr thumbnail and its like "if I could see clear and hold a tad better lookit what this girl could do
The wads you found down range , how did they look ? When I lube the bullets I get lube all over the bullet base not on purpose , I spread a shop towel on the bench and the last thing I do with the bullet before seating it is to rub the base a couple of strokes on that shop towel , I think the bullet base has to be clean . Your description of the case neck thickness and the .460 bullet dia. and tight chamber fit is great , no room for misalignment . No doubt you are feeding the rifle what it wants and holding true . I have tried the cork wad and the felt wad under bullet , could not tell much difference , not sure if I can shoot good enough to tell a difference . I leave in 4 days for about two weeks of hunting / guiding , bringing my EHB 45/75 and my loading gear fixings for some shooting . Out there I can shoot as far as I want so if the winds allow I will try and see how far the EHB 45/75 and myself can reach and be affective . ,,,,,DT
Quote from: dusty texian on October 25, 2018, 05:37:20 PM
The wads you found down range , how did they look ?
Clean as a whistle on the powder side, could feel a little smudge of the lube still stuck on the boolit side otherwise they unmarked, could have shot em again no worries, was a couple weeks at least after I shot them so could have had a few spots of train on them
When I lube the bullets I get lube all over the bullet base not on purpose, Yeah me too I pan lube so no way out of that I think
I spread a shop towel on the bench and the last thing I do with the bullet before seating it is to rub the base a couple of strokes on that shop towel , I think the bullet base has to be clean. Try a piece of that shop towell with a spray of WD40 soaked on it, that stuff just dissolves lube, (best stuff I have seen for cleaning paint of yr hands too,) then a dry piece of towell as well
Your description of the case neck thickness and the .460 bullet dia. and tight chamber fit is great , no room for misalignment . No doubt you are feeding the rifle what it wants and holding true . I have tried the cork wad and the felt wad under bullet , could not tell much difference , not sure if I can shoot good enough to tell a difference. Yeah thats where I am at too - sights start goin hazy and dancin around then I'm squinting at a tree to try and clear it ::) but still I have been surprised how things have gone and I reckon I am getting past the mental block about eyes not working like they used to
I leave in 4 days for about two weeks of hunting / guiding , bringing my EHB 45/75 and my loading gear fixings for some shooting . Out there I can shoot as far as I want so if the winds allow I will try and see how far the EHB 45/75 and myself can reach and be affective . ,,,,,DT
2 weeks of rejuvenation eh! Enjoy it to the full - dont hold back on the stories when you get back on line either
Quote from: dusty texian on October 25, 2018, 05:37:20 PM
The wads you found down range , how did they look ? When I lube the bullets I get lube all over the bullet base not on purpose , I spread a shop towel on the bench and the last thing I do with the bullet before seating it is to rub the base a couple of strokes on that shop towel , I think the bullet base has to be clean . Your description of the case neck thickness and the .460 bullet dia. and tight chamber fit is great , no room for misalignment . No doubt you are feeding the rifle what it wants and holding true . I have tried the cork wad and the felt wad under bullet , could not tell much difference , not sure if I can shoot good enough to tell a difference . I leave in 4 days for about two weeks of hunting / guiding , bringing my EHB 45/75 and my loading gear fixings for some shooting . Out there I can shoot as far as I want so if the winds allow I will try and see how far the EHB 45/75 and myself can reach and be affective . ,,,,,DT
Dusty
Couple of experiments this morning
Shooting for the chronograph - been wanting to get a read on this load (and the latest batch of powder ) for ages
With the 466grain CBE pointy boolit over 72 grains FFg -
1238, 1242, 1245, 1247, 1248 FPS -- extreme spread = 10FPS ---pretty darn excited about those numbers - good velocity for that boolit and the spread you need for long range .
Ok you asked about wads the other day
These were loaded with two juice box wads instead of the plastic - would just as rather NOT shoot those hard plastic wads at my chronograph anyway!
shooting from 125 yards to get shade for the chrony - very windy today blew my target skewy before I got started
two barrel warmers about 3 inches low - didnt mean to do that but had a senior moment and put the chrony body up back to front
four shots went in a group a whisker under inch and a half - about same low for the extra distance and about same left of centre from the wind - a big gust of wind took one about three inches further left
dont think the juice box is any different / worse than the plastic BUT I did have two juice box wads - 38 thou total - more testing will tell the story - but dont think much in it if any difference
;D I got my rifle out and looked at it today! Aimed it at my Whitetail mounts on the wall. Racked it a few times, told myself I need to shoot it when corn picking gets done. Put it away. ;D
Quote from: King Medallion on November 01, 2018, 05:27:41 PM
;D I got my rifle out and looked at it today! Aimed it at my Whitetail mounts on the wall. Racked it a few times, told myself I need to shoot it when corn picking gets done. Put it away. ;D
You not the only feller does stuff like that ! I am 500 miles away from it all tonight - hope Dusty gets a hog or two and shows us some pics
I pull my cf rifles out of the safe and dry fire at the steel in my back yard through the picture window in my reloading room. Haven't blown my window out yet. But unfortunately it's not as satisfying as hearing the 'ding' of fast lead against hard steel.
Greetings All,
Thanks to everyone who contributes here, when you can't make it out to shoot it is a relaxing way to at least enjoy our hobby by others sharing their adventures!
Deer season opens this weekend here and if the Good Lord is willing I plan on being at least outside on the farm with the 76 in hand. Won't matter much if I see one, much less get a shot just getting out with the 76 is something I been really looking forward to.
Here is to hoping the rest of you all get a chance to be out among em and enjoy the rifles!!
P.B.
Quote from: pinto beans on November 12, 2018, 06:41:18 PM
Greetings All,
Thanks to everyone who contributes here, when you can't make it out to shoot it is a relaxing way to at least enjoy our hobby by others sharing their adventures!
Deer season opens this weekend here and if the Good Lord is willing I plan on being at least outside on the farm with the 76 in hand. Won't matter much if I see one, much less get a shot just getting out with the 76 is something I been really looking forward to.
Here is to hoping the rest of you all get a chance to be out among em and enjoy the rifles!!
P.B.
Hey PB
Gonna shoot mine tomorrow - sposed to be a thousand miles away working, but a preliminary trip ended with me nursing my car home with a stuffed gearbox (478,000km on the clock I guess its allowed to get a little tired) and waiting now on a wrecker exchange and mechanics etc - take some of the frustration out on a paper target :) - I have the magazine changed and want to test that - if it makes any difference I will post results.
Gh
I would like to get out my '76 and do some shooting but this morning, it is only about a + 18 degrees here and the frost is definitely on the punkin here. I been thinking about some shooting but with my age and eyes (81) I get attacked by a flurry of naps so have to take it as it comes. But anyway, for those of us who do get to pull the trigger now and then have fun.
Quote from: larryo1 on November 13, 2018, 09:14:05 AM
Gh
I would like to get out my '76 and do some shooting but this morning, it is only about a + 18 degrees here and the frost is definitely on the punkin here. I been thinking about some shooting but with my age and eyes (81) I get attacked by a flurry of naps so have to take it as it comes. But anyway, for those of us who do get to pull the trigger now and then have fun.
Got a few shots off (just makin holes in cardboard, nothing exciting) - made a new magazine tube for my 76 that eliminates front hanger band and the tie up between tube and barrel - trying to stop vertical stringing as the gun warms up.
First four were nice - no vertical at all!! then I pulled one left (or wind drift ? there was a bit of an intermittent breeze) number six went high of the group - by that time the barrel was quite hot (80 some degrees outside and shooting in the sun) -- so that looked pretty good ------I let it cool an hour and fired another five without cleaning - did a splatter group of about five inches - wasnt seein the target quite as well for the second lot - but disappointed - I expect might find some leading when I clean or maybe overused the blow tube - its humid outside and this rifle dont seem to like too much blow ? Back to the drawing board maybe ?
GH:
That group looks pretty good but I bet that flyer was 'cause you got a fly on that front sight! That happens to me once in awhile!
Larryo,, at 81 your my kind of "Hero ", ;D and that also means there's hope for me " yet " . Stay warm " SIR " .
smoke'm if ya' got'm << Hootmix .
Slamfire:
Thankee kindly sir.I still like to play with my 1911 but only closeup so to speak (15 yards) Then it takes me a bit of time to reload those pessky things. That '76 is still settin there winkin at me now and then so it will get its chance here shortly if we get a warmish day one of these days. Hang loose.
Yup !! ,, everybody round here was gone today , cept me & the dogs ( they don't reload ),, throwed my ready to go bag in the o'l Dodge ( 91 d250 ),, drove 15 mi. to the range ,, " darn " nuff folks there to have a BBQ ,, finally got to put up my targets ( Big deck of playing cards 12"x 14" ,, 5 of hearts ),, 50yds. ,208gn. w/ H4198 ,, my home made tang sight ,shoot'n single shot off a rest . First shot " bull's eye " throwed up my hands " that's it I'm done ,, going home" ,, next 4 rds. in the center heart ( life is good ) ,, next 3 rds. 3/4" group , just 2ins. left ( just couldn't leave well enough alone ) of center heart ( sigh ) the last 2 rds. fell in love with each other and ran off ,, some where. Well ,, at least I know my tang sight is gon'a work just fine , and had a good time visiting w / some other's that reload . I feel like i'v found the right load for "my " 40/60 ,feels good ,,really does hit POA ,if I do my part ,, now it's time to load up about 50-100 rds. and start reaching out to 100 yds. then 200 yds. & then ,and then , 1st., better see if I can see 200 yds., " After " Christmas ,, "MERRY CHISTMAS" TO EVERY ONE !!!!
COFFEE'S READY,,, HOOTMIX.
The day after Christmas starts the yearly hunting trip with the Grandchildren . Because of their school schedules they can only come out to the family ranch on the holiday break , and boy are they ready . This is my favorite hunt of the yr. And believe it or not the yrs. of teaching them how , is starting to pay off . I am starting to be an observer more than a teacher , I cant begin to tell you how gratifying it is to watch the Grandchildren carry on a tradition that has been passed down in the family for generations .To watch them enjoy nature and practice good sportsmanship is something I cherish . During our visit the Grandchildren all bring their leverguns and we do some shooting , they with their 1894's and me this hunt with my 1876 40-60 wcf . short rifle . After the hunt things start to get slow around the homeplace and this winter I hope to spend more time shooting the Extra Heavy Barrel 45-75 wcf. This EHB has proven to be a very accurate rifle and I look forward to shooting it enough to find my limits with it . Enough rambling from me , Merry Christmas my Friends and I hope the New Yr. brings happiness and health and wealth to you all . Good shooting in 2019 ,,,,DT
Merry Christmas, 76'ers, and a Happy New Year!
Quote from: King Medallion on December 23, 2018, 08:25:36 AM
Merry Christmas, 76'ers, and a Happy New Year!
Likewise Amigo ,,,,DT
Dusty,
Very nice tradition,especially during a family time of the year. Neat to see people still have appreciation for passing on knowledge and the creation of long lasting memories.
Enjoy your holidays. And Merry Christmas to all.
BRS
Quote from: dusty texian on December 23, 2018, 08:41:38 AM
Likewise Amigo ,,,,DT
And from downunder - all the best .
Quote from: greyhawk on December 23, 2018, 07:14:31 PM
And from downunder - all the best .
Likewise Amigo ,,,DT
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all!!
Am working on a little hunting plans right after Christmas day. hope everyone get a chance to burn a little powder during
the holidays!!
Took the old 40/60 out for a pasture walk at dark thirty yesterday . Fired a few round's near the old rock fence . Was reminded how the 40/60 has a sharp crack when loaded up with full Bp. charge ,and can testify that only one in needed for a pesky skunk . Felt good to do some shooting . ,,DT
I went out on the 4th, shot up a box of 50 for fireforming. Charge was 24.0 of IMR 4198. I was impressed with the accuracy and the fact there were NO unfired grains of leftover powder. Water filled milk jugs became mist, rocks became dust, steel targets knocked down with authority. Had a couple light strike misfires tho. I tightened up the main spring screw the last 1/4 turn, all the way in. I'm liking the Marble front sight I have on it now, but the bead is a bit small, still better that the stock blade sight.
We got flooded out in June for our monthly shoot. This month I?m recovering from knee replacement surgery so if I go in 3 weeks it will be to hang out with my pards.