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CAS TOPICS => The Longbranch => Topic started by: Major 2 on July 28, 2018, 12:28:41 AM
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Is anyone carrying IWB in Kydex ?
Currently I pocket carry my S&W Mod. 60 & 36 in a DeSantis pocket holster.
it works but I've been eyeing IWB
my concern is confort, two fold
1. Florida heat (summertime) and
2. well lets say there is goodly amount of Me also in the same waist band ::)
I'd rather not buy it, if it just gonna be another holster in the unused drawer
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My Dear Major 2 -
I don't care for kydex. Thought I would, but, it is not comfortable next to the skin like a decent suede leather or even smooth leather,
and worse, it seems to mar or quickly wear the finish of the carry piece.
it it were lined, it might be better, but then its thicker than leather.
hope this helps
prf mvl
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It does, thanks those were my concerns
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Anything on or inside of my belt feels uncomfortable for ccw to me. A crossdraw on my belt works if I’m driving but only under a jacket. My edc for years has been a scandium j frame in a leather pocket holster in my rear pocket or a jacket pocket. When driving it usually rides between my seat and center console of my Edge. I also live where it’s warm in eastern nc so I know what you’re saying. There’s something that I’ve heard about carrying, concealed or otherwise, it’s not supposed to be comfortable but it is comforting. Be thankful you don’t have to carry a Garand. Does everyone have one of those drawers?
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I bought a Kydex IWB holster and wore it for a little while but was never comfortable. So, I wear a OWB holster with a shirt over it in public.
Slim
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I always was a lifetime "if it ain't made of leather, I don't want it" holster, sling, belt guy. Still am pretty much, but around five years ago I became familiar with a synthetic line of holsters that I now have three of for carrying concealed, all IWB. I became knowledgeable of them at a large gun show in my state from a dealer that carried them. Major, it's from right down in your state- Naples, Florida, called Remora. Website Remora.com. I carry concealed with no problem a Smith 60 38 Spec and Shield 9mm. Also no problem with a Colt Double Eagle Officers Model 45 acp 3 1/2". All carried IWB Appendix style with no problem, can be positioned side or back IWB, but prefer Appendix. Wearing a sweater, shirt untucked, no sight. I don't care for back position-to uncomfortable, side to noticeable, might as well be carrying OWB.
The Remora holsters are top quality and are made of a material that keeps them in place when moving about, sitting, etc. The holster stays in place when drawing, but being soft takes a little more to holster. I've compared them with another holster of the same type 'Sticky Holsters' and the Remora IMO is better quality and I'm finicky about construction and quality of a product. I wish they had been around back in the 70-90's era when I wore a badge. I carried my Smith Model 60 as a backup concealed on duty. Carried it right front, behind my 12 loop 357 Mag cartridge carrier in a Bucheimer suede leather clip on IWB holster (still have). The 60 never worked loose, even when 'tussling' with drunks and other arrests where physical combat took place. Carried it off duty at times also in the Bucheimer. Kydex, don't care for them inside. outside, or wherever. Too stiff and impersonal IMO. Might as well heat up a plastic pipe, flatten it, and strap it on. If your interested in something like the Remora's, check out their website. I've talked with them over the phone, very friendly outfit, give them and their product five stars.
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M-2: I'm new to concealed carry(about a year and a half). Haven't tried a Kydex IWB, I have a cheap "pleather" IWB tuckable holster I have used with my LCP, works ok when I wear summer shorts, not so comfortable with denim jeans. I pretty much gave up on the tuckable feature, just leave the shirt outside. If you're concerned about the Kydex against skin, you might look into the Crossbreed IWB holsters, they use leather for the "backing" with a kydex holster.
I've recently bought one of these:
http://advancedperformanceshooting.com/protective-services-elite-holsters/
The top one, the "Epitome" is what I got, it goes between the belt and pants. Haven't had it for long, but it seems relatively comfortable. It's more comfortable if worn with a tucked in tee shirt and then a cover shirt-to keep the gun butt from rubbing your skin, but I have mostly worn it with just a tee shirt over it, since Missouri weather can be a bit warm and humid. May depend on what gun you're carrying, I use it with a S&W Shield. As long as the cover shirt isn't too snug, it hides pretty well.
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Thank you all, saved me from my own thoughts....
I have a Desantis NEMESIS pocket holster...so far this has been the best feel.
I also have a High Noon Leather Pocket carry, this rolls forward in my pocket (Butt Forward ) all the time , it both prints
( Glad to see HER mode , if you catch my drift ) and make it stupid difficult to retrieve... It's regulated to the failed drawer.
The NEMESIS works though, but I was thinking IWB , now with you'll points (help) I'll pass on the Kydex IWB...
I do have an Uncle Mikes OWB but only for cold weather with jacket cover ...Here in Florida that just a few days in the year though .... ::)
The M36 is some lighter than the M60 ...but both get 38 Critical Defense, so I tend to carry the 36 a bit more often.
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For the past few months I've been using a Kydex IWB holster as a T&E for work. I'm carrying a Glock 19, though. Most days, I'm wearing it for 12+ hours. The Kydex against the skin works fine for me, but any IWB holster is going to be less comfortable, especially for those of us with EWB (expanding waist band). Using looser fitting pants helps. I imagine, though I don't know, that a small revolver might not be as comfortable as a larger semi-auto, just because the pressure is more concentrated. IWB is great for concealment, but you do sacrifice comfort. In many cases, the trade-off is worth it to me. You might try a cheap(er) suede IWB holster and try it out before you go for a more expensive one. On the other hand, I sometimes pocket carry. In fact, I'm heading to Florida for a few days in a couple of weeks and I'll likely go for the pocket carry to fit in with my shorts and T-shirt look.
CC Griff
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M-2, since you have the DeSantis Nemisis, you might try one of their IWB holsters, I was looking at the Sof-Tuck for my LCP, but never got one. One advantage to the Kydex over a soft leather like the Sof-Tuck, is you can re holster the gun more easily. The IWB holster I have is also pretty soft, and "goes flat" once the gun is out of it. Hard to re-holster- and maybe not too safe with a DAO pistol with no safety.
EDIT: I saw just recently an ad for a Safariland IWB leather holster that looked good. it has a large enough "sweat shield" for comfort, but I don't know if it addresses the "flattening" issue.
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PE are thinking this one ?
Desantis Sof-Tuck for J frame
I am also looking at this one Barsony Tuckable IWB
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The Sof-Tuck is the one I was referring to. The other looks good, but for me I don't like when they put doubled up leather over the belt clip on some tuckables, it adds a lot to the bulk. Maybe on a revolver it won't be as noticeable, but with my LCP, overall the holster almost doubles the thickness of the gun.
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The top one (photo again) is the Desantis Sof-Tuck for J frame it's $ 22 99 on Amazon.
That's cheap enough to consider giving it try , course my guns have hammers but there appears enough leather to cover and guard against being poked , the Barsony Tuckable IWB doesn't and its $35
Thanks
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I made an educated :-\ decision,
I tried on a borrowed appendix carry IWB w/ my M36 ... wore it to go to the store and another stop for few hours this afternoon...
I returned the IWB with thanks....but no thanks.
not going to like carrying a J frame in that style holster, I determined.
Glad I tried it , even gladder I didn't buy one .
In the pocket is my best carry....thanks for the pointers & help
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Instead of appendix, try it at about 4 o'clock , just behind the hip.
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naught.... I don't even carry my wallet in my hip pocket anymore ... flairs up Sciatica ....
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I made an educated :-\ decision,
I tried on a borrowed appendix carry IWB w/ my M36 ... wore it to go to the store and another stop for few hours this afternoon...
I returned the IWB with thanks....but no thanks.
not going to like carrying a J frame in that style holster, I determined.
Glad I tried it , even gladder I didn't buy one .
In the pocket is my best carry....thanks for the pointers & help
My Dear Major
if you can bear wearing a lightweight jacket or sportcoat an inside pocket can work extremely well....
or a nice leather vest ( some even have pistol pockets built in).
if you can afford to acquire a smith liteweight or ultralite it just disappears into properly lined pockets.
yhs
prof marvel
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I'm kind of my own worst opponent in the alloy framed category.
My wife has one a Model 437 Airweight , I bought, her choice for purse and night stand.
But I'm old fashion, wood & steel ( or SS ) I even prefer hammers ...both neither conducive to CCW, but it what I favor.
In fact the only alloy or polymer gun I own ( other than the wife's alloy ) is a Glock 17 Gen 4 and I did not buy it, I won it.
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On a whim, decided to check to see if Professor Marvel was still alive and found this thread.
Deal me in on this conversation, and reference the following with a S&W 642.
1) I'm aware of at least one social situation where an appendix carry put the piece so close to the owner's junk that it was missed during a sloppy pat-down by a socially dubious rent-a-cop at a concert venue. So it's got that going for it.
2) I'll suggest a leather crossdraw holster, inside the belt & (personal preference) either inside / outside of the waistband with a thumb retention strap. I can bike, hike, walk or run and have reasonable confidence I won't squirt out a revolver at an awkward moment.
I'm probably preaching to the choir here, but the element of surprise and attendent advantages can compensate for many disadvantages and puts you inside the opponent's OODA loops. For concealability, most of us are getting older and have a Dunlop belly. From a decade of personal experience, this arrangement disappears under an untucked /polo shirt/hawaiian shirt or sweater or light /sports jacket. Simply not the 'droids you're looking for...
3) Tactics. Think about this - if you do any amount of driving, you're going to be engaging a close range target to your immediate left.
A right handed draw while buckled in would be problematic, compared to dropping your hand from the steering wheel's 6 o'clock to a position just left of your belt buckle - less distance to cover, less ergonomics to wrestle around.
If dismounted, contemplate blading your body to the left while drawing. It reduces your own profile (but if body armor is your thing, also presents the most vulnerable section).
At close quarters range, your muzzle will be sweeping up the target and if needs be, you can engage as soon as your on target with the pelvis.
Thus endeth the sermon. Our last hymn can be found on Youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYT4KgsR-V0
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On a whim, decided to check to see if Professor Marvel was still alive and found this thread.
Deal me in on this conversation, and reference the following with a S&W 642.
1) I'm aware of at least one social situation where an appendix carry put the piece so close to the owner's junk that it was missed during a sloppy pat-down by a socially dubious rent-a-cop at a concert venue. So it's got that going for it.
2) I'll suggest a leather crossdraw holster, inside the belt & (personal preference) either inside / outside of the waistband with a thumb retention strap. I can bike, hike, walk or run and have reasonable confidence I won't squirt out a revolver at an awkward moment.
I'm probably preaching to the choir here, but the element of surprise and attendent advantages can compensate for many disadvantages and puts you inside the opponent's OODA loops. For concealability, most of us are getting older and have a Dunlop belly. From a decade of personal experience, this arrangement disappears under an untucked /polo shirt/hawaiian shirt or sweater or light /sports jacket. Simply not the 'droids you're looking for...
3) Tactics. Think about this - if you do any amount of driving, you're going to be engaging a close range target to your immediate left.
A right handed draw while buckled in would be problematic, compared to dropping your hand from the steering wheel's 6 o'clock to a position just left of your belt buckle - less distance to cover, less ergonomics to wrestle around.
If dismounted, contemplate blading your body to the left while drawing. It reduces your own profile (but if body armor is your thing, also presents the most vulnerable section).
At close quarters range, your muzzle will be sweeping up the target and if needs be, you can engage as soon as your on target with the pelvis.
Thus endeth the sermon. Our last hymn can be found on Youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYT4KgsR-V0
Well Greetings Story!
Yes I am still alive and pontificating!
And you have succinctly articulated so many of the important points!
Yhs prof marvel
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I have found the Milt Sparks "Summer Special" patterned leather IWB holster the best. I use one with my Glock 19 and S&W Shield. It has two leather belt loops, that go on either side of the pants belt loop to keep it from moving around. Google image search it. Several companies make them.
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I think I mentioned my extreme fondness for the shrouded-hammer S&W ultralite in a Bianchi 9R ....
(https://palmettostatearmory.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/370x370/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/1/6/163438.png)
(https://www.defensivecarry.com/forum/attachments/defensive-carry-holsters-carry-options/69799d1363426569-upside-down-holster-bianchi-88.jpg)
I think the airweights are much better at retention than the heavier steel models for these quirky upside down holsters.
I also subscribe to the concept of keeping identical models of pistol in steel and aluminum, get the triggers, grips, and sights the same, and do most of
your practice with the steel version. finish up the range session with the airweight.
Now to my surprise ,whilst falling down the Web Rabbit Holes, I find that Col Applegate liked the "upside down rig" as well, and according to one
author was instrumental in bringing the centennial hammerless to market.
(https://americanhandgunner.com/featured/origins-of-the-new-sw-centennial-revolver)
Here is a photo of his original rig, designed to wear under an untucked tropical honduras style shirt:
(https://i.pinimg.com/474x/88/03/dc/8803dc67ac86dedf50686ce681932801.jpg)
a modern repro
(https://i.pinimg.com/474x/ac/3e/ad/ac3eada88258f0e2723add5e799becbe--leather-projects-leather-crafts.jpg)
a modern "right side up" variation which, while safer, sort of defeats the purpose - one cannot simply reach under an untucked hawaiin shirt and draw....
(https://i.pinimg.com/474x/a3/ba/75/a3ba75a36919224d1b71ec978676f7c2--leather-crafts-holsters.jpg?b=t)
but , having seen some vintage bucheimer "semi-sholder holster" designs such as this
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/UEEAAOSwBRpcb74n/s-l300.jpg)
after cogitating upon both the semi-shoulder system and the high-rise strange almost applegate giant paddle system,
I am toying with the idea of building such a vertical paddle high rise kind-of-armpit-holster for "kind of" under the left arm ( right handed shooter)
sort of presenting the revolver higher than the belt like a normal vertical shoulder holster. A paddle holster is much easier in my mind to remover and lock up in the car
if one has to enter a forbidden zone ( federal buildings, etc)
yhs
prof marbles
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I have 3 snubbies but this forum says my pictures are too big to post! ::) ::)
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still opt for pocket carry... the 60 a tad heavier
....looked at an Airweight on consignment yesterday :-\
also a Ruger LCP ( Purple ??? ::) ) both mighty light and easy to pocket ... the Smith has my attention :-\
not to keen on the auto
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When I was still a Flordidian, I never carried a gun. Too many twitchy cops. Things changed when I got to Gawgia, where they issue you a gun when you cross the border. I literally live in the middle of the woods, so a firearm or two are necessary for animals. But, I also need to go into the city now and then, and they have different animals.
I got my permit, and wear a gun from the time I get dressed in the morning, until I get undressed at night. Difference here is, open carry really doesn't draw much attention here. I openly carry a hogleg on my hip, and get a few comments on the.nice holster, but not much else. But, the animals also see it, and like the other animals at night, they stay away from fire.
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I've never found any way to carry IWB that was comfortable for me. I carry on my belt or in my pocket.
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In Kanuckistan, we are not allowed CCW. However, I have been an active 'Combat Pistol'/IPSC/IDPA shooter since the inception of all those shooting sports.
Over the years, I have worn strong side, kidney carry, x-draw; all of them leather (usually by Milt Sparks) 'cept for one - a Kydex "Snik" holster for my 1911s, the pioneer of the plastic holsters.
It was the simplest and fastest rig of all. Retention was accomplished by a piece of the holster formed to snap into the ejection port. It always kept the gun from falling out going over walls, barricades, tunnels, etc. To draw, you rocked the gun forward and out.
I currently have a leather lined Kydex holster which is pretty good as well. In IDPA you MUST appear to be unarmed under light seasonal clothing. I make it with both my leather and Kydex rigs.
Kydex is not alone in marking the finish of blued guns. How many guns have you seen with "holster wear", usually on the barrel? A gun that works for a living is going to show it.
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I've never been a fan of the light weight alloy handguns, never had one, but have handled and fired. Just feels like 'nothing there'. Much preferred for a smaller revolver my Mod 60 Smith 38, just not long ago got ahold of a Colt Detective Special, the model with the ejector shroud, top shape, good price. Never cared for the older models with the ejector unprotected. Should have gotten and always wanted one the years I wore a badge, but the $$ always needed elsewhere. Back then they ran around $130-150, had to pay more now. Not a big fan of the shrouded hammers due to looks, but they sure are better to prevent hammer snags, although I never had much of a problem with that. Just like all steel and don't mind the extra weight, which does help in recoil control. Have fired both styles (steel and alloy) side by side and can tell the difference.
Always liked the Bianchi 9R you mentioned Professor, thought several times about getting one for my Smith 60, but besides several belt holsters and a IWB, I always used a Bianchi X-15 for my 60. Liked that model, had a X-15 for my 4" Colt Trooper and a 6" that doubled for a Python and several other long barrel revolvers. I liked Bianchi back a lot better when John Bianchi owned it, before it was sold to Safari Land. A lot of the Bianchi labeled holsters now say 'Made in Mexico'., believe the older Bianchi products were better quality. The X-15 was always a well made and shooter friendly shoulder holster. I payed less for the four (another 4" I picked up used at a flea market) than a new single one costs now. If you buy a new harness for a X-15 now, they cost more than the whole rig cost back in the day.
I don't care for IWB in a rear (back) position, to uncomfortable sitting and PIA drawing IMO or on the side. Always carry IWB left side cross draw or mostly right side appendix, which I have no problem with. Pay attention in drawing and reholster and your vitals are secure. I even carry a Colt Officers Model 3.5" Double Eagle 45 acp in this manner with no problem. Smith 9mm Shield also using the Remora holsters I mentioned in my other post on this thread. Don't mind outside side carry if I have a loose jacket on, but even a untucked shirt doesn't conceal a side carry very well and its a pain while driving with seat belt on, both drawing if need be and just getting it positioned right.
Tuolumne Lawman you mentioned the Milt Sparks line. Very good stuff, have seen a few used ones at gun shows and knew a officer back in the day that carried a 45 Colt Commander in one. Its the old Bruce Nelson line/design that Bruce gave his blessings to Milt to produce. They were 'the thing' back in the late 70's through the 80's plus. Was always thinking about getting one back in the law years, switching to a Colt 1911, but never did. I was just looking at Milts website recently at the 'Summer Special'. Might call them and see if my Double Eagle which is based on the 1911 frame would fit ok. Might have to cough up the funds, but funds well spent. I leave my house, I carry, never know when needed with all the 'crap' and 'airheads' in society today. Never know when need to protect myself, family, others, or some officer may need assistance. No good to leave at home or in vehicle and wish later I had carried. The signs that say no weapons allowed in businesses, well to bad, the slime that have no respect for life don't care to obey, even where and when the 'do gooders' of our day say "Thou Shalt Not"!
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Major2,
Coming to your discussion a bit late.
I too have a plethora of holsters in use. I have a Galco V-hawk for my J-frame which is an IWB all leather with tuckable option. I also use an Old Faithful/Cross Breed for the 1911 for an IWB also. The hard one is that I had to have a similar holster made for the 5?629/329 since no one seems to want to make an IWB for the N-frames. I also have the Milt Sparks Summer Special and a similar Bianchi with thumb break for the 1911 that get used on a regular basis.
Part has come down to what my clothing and option for the day is going to be. Now it is more fishing shirts and Hawaiian shirts untucked rather than the Brush Popper over skin tight Wranglers (comfort and concealment over fashion) ;).
The Hybrid holsters work very well for me and are rather comfortable. BTW, the wide platform for the Crossbreed Style holster helps my Sciatica by spreading the contact across more of the hip than the Summer Special does. Both of these holsters are for a full sized 1911.
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I have reached a point, where "stretchy pants" are becoming more frequent. Nothing quite as comfortable as a good pair of sweats, especially on Thanksgiving. However, sweats don't usually work for carrying. I think I fixed that.
I call it a Tuck and Roll. Just tuck it in your britches, and you're ready to Roll down the road. Sort of a paddle holster, it also works in a pocket. As long as you have a good waistband, or the string to snug your sweats, it will hold a full size semi auto.
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I carry a Model 37 in a Uncle Mike's nylon IWB holster 8)
(Why are my pics upside down?)
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Obviously you're hanging from the ceiling ;D
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I going to give this a try
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I have the most aggravating time doing photos on cascity. I eventually added a photo app that does some kind of voodoo magic to my pictures and keeps them vertical and in a format that cascity likes. Here?s two I?ll try and see what happens.
Well, that?s interesting, the top photo of Colour Sgt Bourne was out of my file while the lower phot of Gabby was from my photo app??? This thing wouldn?t accept my file photos before. Don?t know what to tell you Rye. A mystery wrapped up in a conundrum.
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I going to give this a try
Some kinda fancy fanny pack?
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Nope... Croc hide man bag ,,,,can be worn across the chest or a sling turn it around and it back pack of sorts
I think I'll re-rig it for belt carry :-* we will see Monday
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You being a man of so many talents Major, I thought that you had slayed the bags previous ?owner?, tanned the hide and built the man bag yerself. You?ll look real snazzy reptilian, maybe get a pair of matching boots? Accessorize.
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Only Crocs in Florida are Gatorland live exabits....they frown on hunting them
Gator Hides are available, I have gun case I made of one....
This one however I saw on Amazon.... figured Id give it whorl
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I going to give this a try
My Good Major -
that is a GREAT choice -
it doesnot scream "tacticool" !
or " am a gun-hidey case"
yhs
profmarvel