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Special Interests - Groups & Societies => Zoot Shooters => Topic started by: Peachey Carnehan on September 25, 2012, 12:12:57 PM
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Since there's a rifle thread, I thought it would be interesting to start a pistol one. I'm a huge fan of the early Colt automatics, so I thought it would be neat to show off a refinished Colt Model 1903 Pocket Hammer that I picked up a while back. These sort of things seem to multiply on their own, because I now have two. Interested in sharing what you've got for AZSA? What you'd like to use?
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Peachey
(Herman Homberger, AZSA #93)
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WOW, WOW, WOW, I love that pistol, congratulations! It may be refinished but it has style! The only challange might be having enough mags for a match. Ammo is not a problem, that would be a great pistol for a match. I used a 1911 last month but i really want to use a Luger or a 1917 revolver next time. A friend of mine wants to use his engraved 1911 in a match, but I think you're 1902 would have a style edge.
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Thanks for the kind words. The gold really sets it off, makes it unique. It's probably a blasphemy to those that like pistols in original condition, but I wasn't the one that did that, so I feel like I'm absolved ;) How many magazines does one generally need? I picked up a couple hundred rounds of .38 Super brass since I couldn't source any .38 Auto stamped brass, dies, and I've got some digging and experimentation to do to find an ideal lead bullet (of course, I won't try or think of shooting .38 Super in it. since I don't have any .38 Super pistols it's not a problem of getting rounds mixed up) . I'll have to see how it does on a practice day on the range due it not having a slide release. I've always been fond of Lugers- any specific manufacturer or date range that you've been looking at, or do you already have one? The 1917 revolver is a nice one too! It'll be a challenge to decide whether to shoot the 1917, Luger, or 1911 each time. A good problem to have!
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That's a fine shooter! On Lugers, look for a "shooter" gun, not a collector grade one. The .30 Luger will be cheaper to buy, but pay the extra for a 9mm, it will be much cheaper in the long run. Do not pay extra for Nazi marked ones built before 1939 unless the seller has the documentation of a vet bringback., as faking has been rampant. Mec Gar makes modrn mags for them that work great. Put a Wolff spring pack in it. My 1915 DWM loves the Winchester White Box 115 grain stuff. The 1917 is great to shoot, the Brazilian guns from 1937 can be a good value as they still are cheaper than the US marked ones. A Tyler T grip adapter makes them much nicer to shoot if you have large hands.
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I've never done AZSA (having just found out about it today), but I have a nice Rock Island 1911-only exceptions from being just like the ones back in the Great War are it's got a beaver tail (I've freakishly large hands, see), and a "Commando" hammer (the skeletonized one).
I plan on getting some new grips for it (it's got standard, non check'd walnut), as far as what they'll look like, Probably smiley faces.
I'd LOVE to get my hands on a 1903, always have liked the look of 'em (and the TT Tokarev for that matter).
That one up in the OP, Peachey Carnehan, friggin' beautiful, and that's a fact.
Actually, is the Tokarev legal? I can't rightly remember it's chambering off the top of my head...
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Is .32 acp caliber allowed?
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According to the AZSA web-site, Yes.
http://www.zootshooters.com/
Here's a couple of pictures of my pistol. I just got it back from Cylinder and Slide where they installed the wide hammer and small thumb safety my son and I won as door prizes at the world championships Labor Day Weekend. They also did a trigger job. The grips are Gripmaker Grand Army of the Frontier grips. I also use it for GAF Era of Expansion matches.
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So wait, after reading on the site, Beaver Tail grip safety is right out? o.o
That really kinda sucks if I'm reading that right-as I mentioned earlier, I've got freakishly large hands (I mean BIG-and that hammer bite is PAINFUL). I've also got the drilled/skeleton hammer on mine (not by choice, just because that's what came on the one what was in stock). THAT I could (and would) change, but the Beaver Tail, I've GOT to have that.
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Looks like I'll be going with something a bit different then!
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Yup, the Tokarev is legal, fires the 7.62x25 cartridge.
Sixgun, like you I have XXL paws. You can get by with a shorter safety and find a wide spur hammer, then have the lehgth ground down to avoid getting chewed up, that's what i did on my 1911. As far as the cartridges allowed, here is a breakdown on this: http://www.zootshooters.com/deacon%E2%80%99s-bully-pulpit-1-getting-started
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Yup, the Tokarev is legal, fires the 7.62x25 cartridge.
Sixgun, like you I have XXL paws. You can get by with a shorter safety and find a wide spur hammer, then have the lehgth ground down to avoid getting chewed up, that's what i did on my 1911. As far as the cartridges allowed, here is a breakdown on this: http://www.zootshooters.com/deacon%E2%80%99s-bully-pulpit-1-getting-started
Downside is, that still means buying a whole 'nother 1911. With the Tokarev being legal (and cheap), I'll probably either snag one of them, or get my beloved PPK (my wife wants one anyway).
My mate's got a legal 1911, I may can bum his, if a group is ever started around here anyway!
Closest one is in Tennessee!
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My mate's got a legal 1911, I may can bum his, if a group is ever started around here
Start your own
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Where are you?
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Yup, the Tokarev is legal, fires the 7.62x25 cartridge.
Sixgun, like you I have XXL paws. You can get by with a shorter safety and find a wide spur hammer, then have the lehgth ground down to avoid getting chewed up, that's what i did on my 1911. As far as the cartridges allowed, here is a breakdown on this: http://www.zootshooters.com/deacon%E2%80%99s-bully-pulpit-1-getting-started
Good. That means I can use my Colt M-1903 pocket hammerless and my Remington M-51, right?
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I'm about a half hour north of Winston-Salem, North Carolina.
Starting my own IS an idea, if I can find enough like minded fellas to jump on board what's near by. I've got one mate, he's around an hour and a half away from me, he's down (wants to play the whole "Irish Cop" angle) with it. A mate of mine in Kentucky may move down, and he's MORE than willing.
Then there's Fluffy... Fluffy'd probably be all in, time permitting.
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1903 and the 51 would both be great guns. The 1903s really gnaw on my hand unfortunately, but I love the elegance of those guns.
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I'm about to head to the local range, where I'll get to lay hands on the S&W Model 10 Revolver.
I'm hoping it's a pleasure to shoot, as I've a contact what's selling a couple for fairly cheap-ish (under $400 for blue, under $600 for the nickle). I figure since it's design dates back to 1899, and they all look pretty much the same (as far as I can tell), it's a AZSA legal firearm!
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Yeah I have one and I love it. It won't replace my 1911 (I love it more ;D ) but I think you'll like it. Cheap to shoot, no recoil, pretty nice trigger (for a DA) and like you said AZSA legal. I use mine for GAF matches too because as you said it's virtually the same as the ones made before the turn of the century.
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I've got a pair of those .38s, one from 1906 and the other from 1926, both are still sweet shooters capable of outstanding accuracy. Enjoy!
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I'm actually a bit depressed... My mate Fluffy is far more capable with the revolver than I am. Oh, it shoots like a dream, aye-but how can someone with so little firearm experience outshoot someone who's put thousands of rounds down range? o.o
But yeah, I'll be snagging one of them, probably the Colt Police Positive, and if I can FIND a 1903, why not?
And the .38 Special? LOVE that round.
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The model 10's will be great as long as they have that thin "pencil barrel" profile of the old S & W Military & Police. Beware the later models as they could have the factory heavy barrel that looks nothing like the old M&P.
Good Luck
G Man
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good point. I think mine is actually a M-05 made in 1910
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The model 10's will be great as long as they have that thin "pencil barrel" profile of the old S & W Military & Police. Beware the later models as they could have the factory heavy barrel that looks nothing like the old M&P.
Good Luck
G Man
Having Googled the issue (pencil vs. heavy barrel), I'm glad you brought up that point-it's convinced I am I'd not be able to tell the difference without having one of the other type in front of me (my eyesight is bad, and getting worse; medication side-effects are no laughing matter!), and so I assume the 10 foot rule would not be breached, however, just because MY eyes suck, does not mean that other people are in the same maloptic boat!
For the record, it's fairly certain I am that we were using the pencil barrel version at the range yesterday.
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An easy way to tell is if the front sight looks like a half nickel or a sloped ramp. The half nickel ones are on the older "pencil" barrels, where the newer "heavy" barrel has a smaller ramp shaped sight.
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Saint,
I've owned both PPK and PPk/S (PP Grip) pistols over the years. I don't have very large hands and they have always bit me when I shoot them.
Pitsptr,
I guess I should ask this revolver question on the GAF forum but it's just easier to do it here. I've been looking over my gear attempting to put together a pre 1899 uniform and my question is as officers bought their own sidearm’s anyway would my 5" barrel 1895 Colt 38 DA's be usable in a GAF match? All I have is short barrel Colt SAA's so the 95's would be my only option.
G Man
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Saint,
I've owned both PPK and PPk/S (PP Grip) pistols over the years. I don't have very large hands and they have always bit me when I shoot them.
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Strange as it sounds, I've never really had a problem. Smaller frame pistols call for an entirely different grip than do large frames-take my wife's Tomcat, for example-it was the first small frame I ever shot. I learned quick fast and in a hurry I've got to basically have my thumb overlapping my middle finger to shoot it without bite.
Try doing that with a 1911, and with my arthritis, I'd probably lose the gun!
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I've been looking over my gear attempting to put together a pre 1899 uniform and my question is as officers bought their own sidearm’s anyway would my 5" barrel 1895 Colt 38 DA's be usable in a GAF match? All I have is short barrel Colt SAA's so the 95's would be my only option.
1895? or did you mean the 1892? Either way I think the answer is yes. Drydock is the final authority on the subject. I'll forward your question to him
Here's a link to our pistols list:
http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,28199.0.html (http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,28199.0.html)
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Yes, I'm referring to that entire family of Colt revolvers listed in the rules under the 1892 banner. Mine just happen to be the 1895 variants. The reason I ask is that the rules appear to be very specific in reference to the 6" barrel in talking about the use of other more modern revolvers in place of real period guns.
1892- Colt M1892,4,5,6,01,03 DA revolver .38 LC (41 Frame)
Those wishing to use the later model Colt .41 frame models (Army Special/Official Police) may do so if in the following configuration: 6" unshrounded light barrel, fixed sights, blued, Square butt. "Officers" models may be allowed if proper to the portrayal.
Later S&W K frames may also be used if having a 6" unshrouded light barrel, blued, fixed sights, ROUND butt. NO "Officers" models allowed. S&W did not offer such a model in this era.
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Bat, I'm sure you will be OK with your '95 Colt .38, your short SAA would be ok also, as a "private purchase" sidearm. The thing about 6" only comes up when substituiting a later model "look alike" instead of an actual 1892 model. I think the later models are only allowed at all because of the scarcity of actual 1892s in good enough working order for competition use.
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Ok, I was pretty sure I was right, but here is the answer from the authority:
Both the 1895s and the "Short Barrel" SAAs are viable options. The "Artillery" model colts were called in in 1893/94, modified to 5.5" and reissued thruout the later 1890s. As noted, Officers were expected to purchase their own sidearms, so most any revolver from the period is allowed. Including 4.75" colt SAAs. I'd personaly be surprised if his 5" 1895s were actualy 5". Most are 6", but folks think they're 5" because the shorter frame fools the eye. 5" DAs are relativly rare, but in any case, would be fine in our game. Short barreled models were popular with officers of the era, lighter and easier to carry at a time when the handgun was primarily considered a symbol of authority. This changed for US officers in the Phillipines, as is well known.
I have shot GAF matchs with my New Army and Navy Colt DA, my New Service DA, my 5.5" and 7.5" SAAs, my 3" S&W "Lemon Squeezer", and an M1895 Nagant DA. ( The last paired with an Hex reciver Mosin. I've thought of shooting it with my Krag, claiming I swapped it off a Russian officer in Peking!)
Chuck