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CAS TOPICS => Gun Reviews => Topic started by: rbgfishboy on April 03, 2011, 03:32:57 PM
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I'm looking at buying a single action .22, and I would like to ask for info on the brands any of you have used. I'm looking at Heritrage, Uberti Stallion, and EAA Bounty Hunter. Can anyone give me their experiences, good or bad, with any of these? Thanks!
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There's the Ruger Single Six. Lots of different versions and indestructible. Then there is everyone else.
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Like Pettifogger said.
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+1 more on the Ruger Single Six, they are the best out there, IMHO
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Only experience I've had with a .22 single action revolver is Ruger Single Six and Ruger Bearcat. Both are great pistols.
Slim
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I've used my Colt 'Peacemaker' and Ruger 'Super Bearcat' - both excellent revolvers.
Vaya,
Scouts Out!
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Hasn't anyone tried the EAA .22?? I guess that is the one that I want to find out about the most. It is supposedly the same size gun as the big calibers. Thanks to those who have replied. I do agree that you can't beat a Ruger. I'm just not a fan of the Single Six, but I do like Ruger in general. Thanks!
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I wonder if that EAA revolver is the German one with sleeved Barrel and cylinder?
It would almost be necessary to build the gun this way because simply boring the Cylinder and Barrel for the .22 would make for one heavy gun!
I bought a Cimmaron .22RF and it lasted way less than 2000 rounds before becoming inoperable. The Cimaron Plinkerton is a full size, sleeved alloy revolver made by Chiappia of Spain. A low quality gun when compared to the Ruger!
The Single Six is about a 7/8 scale and even though it's smaller, it's nearly indestructable!
Weinreich of Germanyt made a high quality revolver several years back but it too was sleeved.
Hope this helps!
ZVP
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I use two Ruger Single sixs and a Marlin 39A to practice Cowboy at my house. All three are indestructable, especially the Rugers.
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I really appreciate all the responses. I like the Rugers all but the price. I would like to know more about the EAA, but I think it gets lost between the Ruger and the Heritage, so none of my local shops keep it, although all of them say they can get it. Looks like I'll have to find a used Ruger. Thanks again to everybody who replied!
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Better to pay for quality, than to pay to repair or replace.
Look at www.gunbroker.com or www.gunsamerica.com - you should find something easily.
Good Luck!
Vaya,
Scouts Out!
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Mine is an all steel full size? made by a company called Tanfaglio, and get this, it is marked "made in Germany".
It came with an extra cylinder chambered for .22 Magnum. Nice gun. Probably 25-30 years old.
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The EAA single action is proven. This design and tooling from Germany dates to the 60's. It was the Hy Hunter, then the Hawes, then the Arminius / FIE, now the EAA. These are importer label names. It has always been made in Germany. First by JP Sauer, now by Weirauch.
I have an older Hawes, I handled an EAA at Gander Mountain a year ago. I think they're fine, a decent new gun for the money, but I think hunting up say a 3 screw Single-Six to use as your .22 SAA is good advice. If it needs to be fixed (and really, it wont ever need to be fixed), the smith isn't going to be stumpred over what to do or where to get parts. If you ever want to sell it, it's a Single-Six... not something you have to explain.
Alternately, I'd probably buy an Uberti Stallion.
I got a bunch of Great Western's and Dakota's in .22, but thats vintage stuff and a different ball of wax. The full size .22's are a bit heavy.
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Thanks to everybody who replied! I bought an EAA .22 last Saturday at a local gun show, and put 136 rounds of .22LR through it on Sunday. I know that's not many, but the gun shot great and was very accurate once I settled down with the sights. I sure hope it doesn't break, but if it does, I'll figure out how to deal with it. It's big and heavy , but it fots my hand great and I love shooting it, so far.
Again, thanks to all who replied!
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I thought the EAA was a HW (Weinrach). They make some very nice, top grade airguns!
I have several HW's and have shot Adult Airguns for decades and the HW's are some of the finest. I have always wanted to shoot one of their rimfires. How is the weight of the EAA? is it comprable to the full size Single Action or is it different?
I had a Cimmaron Arms (Chiappia of Spain) full size rimfire . It is considerably lighter than a "real" peacemaker but mimics it's size.
Unfortunatelly the Cimmaron Plinkerton is just a light duty revolver and it quickly failed. It only lasted around 1500 rounds before the action got gritty and the hand failed. It is alloy cinstruction with steel sleeved liners. The little pistol's name says it all and it's not meant to compete with the Ruger.
I am sure the Hw is far better quality and will last a LOT longer!
It'd be nice if you re-review the EAA when you get to the 1500 round mark and let us all know how it is faring, OK?
The Ruger Single Six is still the KING as far as durability goes. i have had my 6 5/8" SS since the mid 80's and it has had a countless number of rounds through it. The SS still groups cloverleafs with decent ammo and the .22WmR cylinder turns it into a tackdriver! It is barreled to match the WMR and Winchester JHP ammo makes it act like a match gun! That is it's preferred ammunition, though it still shoots well with other brands.
Truth be told, if you want the BEST .22RF single action, get a Single Six1
I am glad that you were able to locate the revolver that you were looking for and I hope it preforms and lasts to your expectations.
ZVP
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I agree, the Ruger Single Six is King, bought two in 66, still going strong, and they have had thousands of rounds through them, and still are tact drivers. and mine have fixed sights.
tEN wOLVES, ;D
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And don't forget to get your Cliff Fendley leather holster for your shooter of choice.One of the many fine craftsmen at cascity.com ;D
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y283/gunclickrick/R22004.jpg)
Ain't it purty :)
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I know it's not a Ruger, but anyone have experience with the Uberti Stallion?
Justician
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ZVP - I will do a review when I get to the 1500 mark. For the first time, I'm keeping a record of the number of rounds fired. This gun shoots really great so far, with approximately 300 LR and 50 magnum rounds FIRED. No problems, misfires or anything! It's a hoot to shoot!
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I found a used Colt Frontier Scout at a gun show. 4.75 inch barrel. 22lr, six shot with plain wood grips. The old man I bought it from said it was his "ranch gun" for years. Carried alot but shot very little. It is very accurate with lead bullets. I paid $175 for it and have never regretted it. BTW, it is the plain jane Frontier Scout... not one of the commemoratives. 8)
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I had a Frontier Scout back in 59, it was the 22 mag, mine was 4 3/4", but it wasn't accurate at all, I would have been better of with the 22 LR., nice little gun, just couldn't hit anything worth a darn, mine came with the black Colt rubber grips, which I change off to some AJAX imitation stag, sold it in 62, got couple Ruger Single Six's in 66, and they were keepers. 8)
tEN wOLVES ;D
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About a year ago I bought a 22 mag. cylinder for my Frontier Scout but have yet to fire any 22 mag. ammo in it.
I don't know how well it will shoot them. :-\
As I stated above... My Scout shoots quite accurately with 22lr lead bullets. It don't shoot jacketed bullets worth a damn. About the best groups I can get with jacketed ammo is the CCI Stingers, and then we're talking 6 to 7 inch groups at 20 yards. :o
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I handle many of these guns regularly,. I think the Uberti Stallion is well worth considering at nearly $200 less than the Ruger. I find most of the current Ubertis, whether Cimarron, Beretta or Uberti marked, are better timed and fitted than the current Ruger sixguns. That said, you'll never wear out a Ruger.
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I bought a brand new Ruger New Model Super Single Six for under $80.00, including both cylinders.
Best gun I ever bought, and also the first gun I ever bought.
I still have it, and always will.
8)
Should I mention that I bought it at Woolco in the summer of 1973? ;D
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Ah had one at about the same time, traded it fer a model 37 Ithaca featherlight 20 gauge, both great guns. just bought another Ruger ss in 22-22mag last winter. Wish Ah still had the first one, not sorry bout the Ithaca tho. :) WM
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Hey everybody - just a quick update. I've fired 988 rounds through the EAA Bounty Hunter. No problems, no misfires, and having a ball!! I'll post another update when I hit 1500 rounds.
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Ruger just yesterday announced the new "Single 10".
Looks like it is the same size as the Single 6, but there are 10 holes in the cylinder.
It does NOT seem to come with a 22 mag cylinder like the Single 6 does.
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Saw that, figured it might be the same size cyl. as 357 etc. WM
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This is nice. And, it's for sale!
http://www.sackpeterson.com/models/dakota.jpg (http://www.sackpeterson.com/models/dakota.jpg)
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Personally I am a big fan of birdshead grips but finding Single sixes with them are a pain especially 4". If you can get over the stupid hammer block safety, I can recommend Heritage rough riders, I had a little 3" B/H which was a great backpacking pistol and a lot of fun to go plinking with. Really wish I still had it cause they e become a hard find now also n
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I have a Ruger Single Six 22 LR/22 MAG with 9.5 in barrel, probably has 10K rounds thru it with nary a problem. I would always recommend the Ruger.
Rafe
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I bought a brand new Ruger New Model Super Single Six for under $80.00, including both cylinders.
Best gun I ever bought, and also the first gun I ever bought.
I still have it, and always will.
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Should I mention that I bought it at Woolco in the summer of 1973? ;D
I could echo this word for word ..except "I still have it" part :( and the Woolco parts , yeah ! I remember them )
Traded the Single 6 in a moment of lust ( not sorry for the lusted after piece , but sorry I let the Ruger go for it ! )
I remember going to Woolco when they closing down out of Business, they were selling out everything 1/2 price.
They had 5 Marlin Glenfields 22 Semi autos at $99 @ 1/2 price $49.50 each, they would not let me buy all 5 ( saying it was not fair to any other customers :-\ ) I bought 2 and went back with my Dad to buy two more they were all sold.
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My first, and to date only SA pistol is my Ruger Bearcat. I love the ever loving crap out of this gun. I bought it used, and have put Lord only knows how many rounds through it.
I have no experience with other SA's, but this little rascal is how I got bit by the CAS Bug.
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I own a Heritage Rough Rider and would say stay away from them at all cost. A real junker that spits lead all the time, simply not very accurate. Pot metal frame with some green finish which is supposed to be case hardened look. Cylinder is hard to unload.
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I have to say Ruger's Bearcat is hard to beat. I also enjoy my Colt Scout that is from 1964, and another truly fun, well made, and the size of a Colt SAA, I have a USFA 12/22 and Rimfire Plinker with dual cylinders. All shoot great and represent different price ranges. Here is a picture of my USFAs.
(http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/USFASAA/PC230139.jpg)
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Colt has actually producted 3 Rimfire single actions. All are built on 7/8 size SAA frames. I spend a fair amount of time collecting them:
1) Colt Scout (made 1957 to 1970). Aluminum frame, fixed sights.
2) Colt New Frontier (made 1970 to 1986) Steel frame, adjustable sights
3) Colt Peacemaker (1970 to 1977) Steel frame, fixed sights.
You can find them in .22LR and .22LR/.22WMR convertible. The WMR cylinders are usually unfluted. A variety of barrel lengths were made from 4.75" up to Buntline specials.
These are all avaliable at auction at prices comparable to a new Single Six.
The "nicest" ones I've handled and own are the 1970 to 1977 steel frame models. Their fit and finish are a bit nicer. The 1980's New Frontier's have a much rougher finish and incorporate a strange "lawyer safety" inside the loading gate. (I own one and can post pictures if anyone is interested). The Scouts are nice, but very light due to the alloy frame.
One "bargain" out there: Commemoratives. Many commemoratives were made on the "Scout" model. They did not hold value very well, and as such many have been turned and some fired. If you hunt around, you can find some of these Commemoratives in less than "collector grade condition". They usually sell for a song and smile. I've gotten 2 Commemorative in slightly used condition for $300.
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Colt has actually producted 3 Rimfire single actions. All are built on 7/8 size SAA frames. I spend a fair amount of time collecting them:
1) Colt Scout (made 1957 to 1970). Aluminum frame, fixed sights.
2) Colt New Frontier (made 1970 to 1986) Steel frame, adjustable sights
3) Colt Peacemaker (1970 to 1977) Steel frame, fixed sights.
Pancho,
I had a Colt Frontier Scout, nickel plated, 22 LR that I purchased in the mid 60's. Couldn't have been aluminum if nickel plated. Not meaning to undermine your statement, but just wondering if you considered those models.
:)
Deadeye Dick
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Pancho,
I had a Colt Frontier Scout, nickel plated, 22 LR that I purchased in the mid 60's. Couldn't have been aluminum if nickel plated. Not meaning to undermine your statement, but just wondering if you considered those models.
:)
Deadeye Dick
Deadeye,
Your Scout is a "K" frame. These were all nickel plated. The frame on these is made from Zamac 3 alloy. It is a mixture of 96% zinc and 4% aluminum. Zamac 3 will take a nickel plate. Zamac 3 was also used in the "P" series Scouts which are blued. These were advertised by Colt as "Heavy Frame Scouts". The Zamac frame is also used on many of the commemorative Scouts.
"K" and "P" series Scouts weigh 6 oz more than the Q & F frame Scouts which are made from Aluminum Alloy 518 (92% aluminum & 8% magnesium).
All this info is courtesy of: Wilkerson, Don "Colt Scouts, Peacemakers, & New Frontiers". Walsworth Pub. 1993.
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I didn't know that. Thanks for the info.
Deadeye Dick
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I own a Heritage Rough Rider and would say stay away from them at all cost. A real junker that spits lead all the time, simply not very accurate. Pot metal frame with some green finish which is supposed to be case hardened look. Cylinder is hard to unload.
Ditto. Mine is a blue birdshead model. Not accurate. The cylinder ratchets are eating the soft alloy frame creating cylinder shake after only as few hundred rounds of .22lr.
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Mine is an all steel full size? made by a company called Tanfaglio, and get this, it is marked "made in Germany".
It came with an extra cylinder chambered for .22 Magnum. Nice gun. Probably 25-30 years old.
The Tanfaglio's have been around for a long time and located in Italy however they did so work on CZ pistols as well as the EAA Witness line as well as the RIA/Armscor lines of guns. I actually have a MAPP1 MS RIA gun they designed which looks identical to the EAA Witness P version with some slight modifications mostly to the the way the slide and magazine lock. At any rate any gun they build is a pleasure to shoot.
I had a Ruger Single Six for years that had the two cylinders however over the years one of my sons adopteded it and now I'm looking for something cheaper to shoot the one meet a year for 22 cal. guns so looking at Heritage for a 22 LR.
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My daughter is enjoying her heritage rough rider with pink birdshead grips.
She has only put 100 rounds or so through but it is very accurate, at cowboy ranges, and working fine for us.
PR
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You can't go wrong with a Ruger but I prefer the Colt Peacemaker for shooting 22. The Colt just has the classic look and feel.
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I have to disagree with the negative comments about the Heritage Arms Rough Rider. I've put several thousand rounds through mine since I bought it 4 months ago and it still works great. It's no Ruger, but show me a Ruger that you can buy brand new for $170! It's not pretty, but does what it's supposed to do. I've killed 2 raccoons and one possum with it, it's fun to shoot, my wife and daughters (who are deathly afraid of guns) love it. It's economical to buy and shoot. For a back yard plinker, it's a great choice. I wouldn't use it in any competitions, but a fun workhorse that I'm not afraid to beat up. Oh yeah, most importantly they're made entirely in the US and they have excellent customer service!
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I've this Colt SAA .22 for as long, long time and it is my favorite for practise.
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We have put snother hundred rounds or so the our Heritage and the pistola goes strong.
My daughter likes it and it's pink birdshead grip!
Based on price I could not be happier at this point. I will continue to post our experience.
PR
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Heritage 22 got shot a bunch at last monthly and the BRR with no hiccups.
Course my 8yr old is no speed deamon and she does not handle the weapons with the vigor an adult does.
She also got a Henry Youth Model and loves it...before i knew it she was doing target strings...
PR
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I like my double nine high standard but i digress it's a DA...Just have to get it sighted in..