On Friday, (1-7-04) I picked up an EMF Hartford Model 1892 Short Rifle for my son to shoot in order to match the caliber of his handgun. I ain't had a chance to put the rifle on paper, but I function fired it on Friday afternoon in the back pasture and it hit the tree I was aiming at with a decent group from about 30 yards. After spending a couple of hours that nite slickin' up the action I took it out to a match at LSFSC Saturday (1-8-04). It performed flawlessly, although as all '92s made by A. Rossi, it was pretty stiff out-of-the-box. (In fact, my '73 broke it's firing pin on the 2nd stage, so I used the '92 along with my son. A few more matches and it will surely loosen up and continue to give lots of service. And if the two of us continue to share it, it'll probably break in faster!). Aim to put it on paper when the weather drys out here in Texas, will let you know the results.
This one is in .45 Colt and I loaded 200gr RNFPs in front of 6.5 grs. of Red Dot, it fed the ammo flawlessly and hit every target all day. This bullet, when seated to the cannelure allows 10 rounds in the magazine. I also tried some other bullet styles I had loaded and the Rifle fed them all just fine.
This is the third Rossi '92 I've bought, and still have the first two. The first was purchased in 1988 for my wife and son to compete with and it's still shootin' great! If you like '92s and want an affordable shooter that will give lot's of good service I highly recommend these fine little rifles.
The only problem with the fit & finish is a small gap between the right side of the upper tang and stock. Too small to measure and extremely shallow. Did not affect it's function, and wasn't noticeable during firing. No pinching or...
If you're interested in tuning the action, drop me an email and I'll let you know my methods.
Thanks for the information, good looking rifle!
Thanks! The Rossi 1892 is on my list of rifles as I collect my gear.
Griff, I got one just like it. Got mine from EMF when they first came out. Mine looks the same accept mine has a blue forrend cap instead of color case. If i do my part it usually hangs with most levers
Reelfoot
I have one of the 24" barreled Sporting Rifles in 45 Colt, and it's a real good shooter!
I've had as many as three of the 92 at one time. They're fine rifles for CAS, but you won't win any trophys with 'em. They are priced right for the budget-conscious cowboy. They are rugged and accurate. But (there always seems to be a but doesn't there?), the design doesn't lend itself to ultra fast shooting. You'll either get a stovepipe jame or the round will pile up into the bottom edge of the chamber. I have had both these problems with all my 92s....and all my 92s were slicked up by excellent 'smiths. Mostly it cost me several misses on a stage.
There's nothing wrong with the rifle. If you have 'em and like 'em..more power to you. I still have one, BTW. My wife fell in love with my stainless 92 carbine (.45 Colt) and won't let me sell it. Just be aware that there are problem areas you may have to deal with.
I don't know about "won't win any trophys with 'em". My son won EOT Jr. in 1990, Jr Top Shootist at several other matches in addition to Overall at Raton National Shootout in '92 & '93 (if I recollect correctly) using a Rossi '92 Puma in .38 Special. My wife won several Lady's titles with her custom '92. There's expert 'smiths and then there's good shooters. Yep, the '92 has limitations, but don't we all.
Griff
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hello Griff - I'm waiting for my EMF 92 to come in. could you tell me how ya "slicked it up"?
t4toes
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We like them M-92's. Got 4 here now. The Jap Browning's are smoother runners. But the EMF's look more "Winchester".
Jus' ordered the "short rifle" for a new Pard. He loves it, but he may not shoot it much since it is a real pretty one. Got wood like the one pictured!
Howdy
I have been shootin a Rossi 92 since 1980, and I love it. I know there are some limitations, but I had my first round stove pipe on me last week and I believe it was more cuz it was a little too short.
Anyways, I liked it so much I will be picking up an EMF brass 92 rifle with 24" stainless bbl on Friday. It is a beauty...will post pix when I get it.
shootem if ya gotem!
cc
So Rossi and emf are actually the same??? ??? ???
Gryffon2004,
Ain't sure exactly what you meant by yer comment/questions, but here's my 2 cents:
Sir,
EMF and Rossi are not the "same" as EMF is just an importer of firearms, specializing in period firearms. They utilize several different manufacturers, including Rossi, Pietta, Armi San Marco, Pedersoli, Uberti, and a couple of others over the years.
In this respect, they are like Charles Daly, Interarms, Navy Arms, and any number of other importers. Pull the grips, ejector rod housing, forend or other part off some these "other" copies and you'll generally find out which firm actually manufactured the piece. Several of these importers will import models from one maker, and won't import other models by the same maker. In fact, EMF works hard to help improve some current models to meet the needs of Cowboy Action Shooters and a better product. In general, the price you see reflects the higher standard they (or another importer) may demand.
They were among the 1st, if not the 1st to import Uberti's copies of the Henry, '66 & '73 rifles and carbines. They have also worked with these same manufacturers to bring out higher quality and more historically correct copies of the 1873 Colt, as at this time I think they use 3 different manufacturers to provide different grades of Colt SAAs copies to their customers.
Don't take my response as a criticism or promotional hyperbole for EMF. For I've had medicore products from them and from other importers. Generally, this is more a reflection of the price I paid for the product, than of the importer. Remember, Rossi provides a relatively inexpensive copy of the '92, not well-known for its' exacting standards and manufacturing processes.
I know a lot of pards that have high expectations when they buy one of these copies, and then display belligerence and anger when they receive something that isn't a Remington or Weatherby. Don't fall into this trap, for you won't overly affect their sales, and it becomes a pebble in your craw that hurts.
I've got 3 Rossi '92 copies; they ain't perfect, but they're fine, serviceable CAS guns. I've had one of 'em for over 20 years and the only problem has been a broke firing pin. Nope, it tweren't very smooth when it was new, but some judicious polishing has provided a fine gun that my wife and son have competed with since it was new. It was soon accompanied by a Puma for my son, now my wife didn't have to share her long-gun.
I bought the Short Rifle for myself to use in Mounted Rifle events and for my son's use in CAS to match the .45 Colt handgun he now uses. Yep, I'd have liked to have a '73 Short Rifle, but the extra money wasn't available, so I settled on the '92.
May live to regret the decision, but I seriously doubt it.
Respectively,
Howdy
Well I have had my EMF brass '92 a couple of months now and it shoots way better than I do. It is much longer that my 92src (of course) but it still is a very comfortable gun...
I am fully satisfied.
cc
Hello the fire...
I have an OLD model Rossi model 65. Looks like and for all practical purposes is the 92. Yep out of the box they are very stiff... but a little polishing and it slicks right up. This one is in 44-40 and I've been looking at those EMF/Rossi brass framed short rifles in 45 Colt. For the price of one of them other clones... I could get me a Hartford model and a reloader! ;D
-cb-
Griff, please keep us posted & thanks for the info. I intend to get me that exact model & I like what ya had to say about it. I'm lookin' at the one with the octagon barrel in .45LC
Been home about a week and finally loaded up a bunch of guns and ammo and headed off to the range to do some test firing. Got there and started unloading ??? Found I'd left my .45 Colt reloads back at home. Oh well, bought a box of Magtech's Cowboy ammo in .45 Colt. Don't own a chrono so I don't know how these go down range. But they're 250gr. FPs so I knew they'd work fine in the rifle.
Fired first shot out of gun @ 50yd target and hit a little left of center; about 4 inches. Moved the rear sight just off the centerline of the top flat and shot next three rounds. They shot just above center X in a tight little cluster approx. 1-1/4 across. Shot 5 more rounds and group size was unaffected, just shot the center out of the triangle :)
I do believe the rifle is a "keeper".
I shot the rifle at 3 monthly matches before this little trip for a couple of stages each trip and didn't have any problems with it. percentage of hits was just what I expect of my shooting under the clock so I wasn't too surprised at the accuracy this rifle yielded at the range. I've been using both two different 225gr. FPs. One is a truncated cone and the other has an ogive that appears similar to a .44-40 round. Both feed reliably in the rifle.
Accurate, good looking, and reliable; about all one wants in a cowboy gun ;D
For my next trip to range I'm tying a string around my finger to remember my handloads. ::)
Has the EMF started puttin' the silly safety in yet?
Or jus' Puma?
I bought me an EMF 1892 Carbine Blue in .45LC and love the gun. This was a real good deal too!
Mine doesn't have the safety. Badlands, yep, after living with mine for almost a year, I love my '92 Short Rifle. Shoots well, accuracy is quite adequate for CAS and short range hunting. Taking mine to deer camp this year. No, not for deer, but with that heavy 325 gr. slug, I'm confident that it'll do the trick on those pesky havelina ;D
Has anyone noticed the title on this? It reads: EMF Hartford 1982 Short Rifle. :o
That's OK though pard... we knew what ya meant! ;) :D
Quote from: Badlands Walker on November 06, 2005, 07:55:02 AM
Has anyone noticed the title on this? It reads: EMF Hartford 1982 Short Rifle. :o
That's OK though pard... we knew what ya meant! ;) :D
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Guess that's what happens when you don't proofread, and type too fast! :o ??? :-[ :-X
Well, Griff; it's been nearly a year. Do ya still like that purty rifle of your'n?
I'll bet ya do!
I've had mine 'bout 6 years now; have slicked it up - tho not as much (or as well ;)) as a real gunsmith would; shot it with smokey-less as well as BP, and it's like that Energizer Bunny: it keeps going, and going ....
I don't know how old mine is per-zackly, but I seem to recall that Steve of Steve's Guns (Nate Kiowa Jones - who helped me, over the phone, with some tuning tips) said it was probably made in the early to mid 90s. There's no safety, it has the 24" Sporting Rifle 1/2 round/1/2 hex barrel and I've added a Marbles Tang sight which has worked well out to 100 yds, but I haven't had the opportunity to try it at longer ranges. I also replaced the rear barrel sight with a Marbles semi-buckhorn version.
I've had two complaints with mine, neither of which affect function or accuracy, and the first is that mine has a carbine-style front sight and band, and the other is the buttstock wood. The forend has very nice grain and some extra dark brown to black figure. The buttstock looks cr@%%y, and almost looks as if they used sawdust glued together to make it! Only cosmetic faults, however.
I've been threatening to sell the old gal, but I never seem to get around to it. I use my 1866 Win. (by Uberti) for 90% of my shooting, and I like it better, but ... ::) :)
Not just a little, I still like it a lot. Haven't had much time to use it, but looking forward to hunting this weekend. It'll go along as a backup, to my backup. (Never hurts to be prepared) :o
My main match rifle is still my '73, and I don't plan on replacing it just yet, but... It is nice to know that I've got a great little backup to complete the match. Which happened the first match I went to after buy the Short Rifle.
Quote from: Steel Horse Bailey on November 19, 2005, 06:10:59 AM
I also replaced the rear barrel sight with a Marbles semi-buckhorn version.
Do you remeber the stock number or part number of that sight?
Quote from: Rawhide Rio on November 23, 2005, 01:09:08 PM
Do you remeber the stock number or part number of that sight?
Rio, At the Marbles website, they list #9807 for the Rossi 1892. Which is different that those listed under Winchester. Don't know which is correct, maybe someone else does?