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The Darksider's Den / Re: .45 Cowboy Special
« Last post by Baltimore Ed on Yesterday at 11:47:55 AM »
Non swingout cylinder revolvers that are built to allow single loading of 45acp cartridges will fire either 45acp or 45cs however double action revolvers, the 1917 colt /smith and the Model 25 /625 smiths. They are cut for 45acp in moon clips or 45Autorim but will not fire loose 45acp/45cs as there is too much space between the case and firing pin. Just to clarify. I have a confused NWMP Colt NS that will fire loose 45acp or 45cs but the barrel says .45Colt. Bubba’s Canadian brother.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Looking for .360 BP bullets
« Last post by Tascosa Joe on Yesterday at 11:03:18 AM »
Missouri Bullet makes a .361 bullet. 
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Looking for .360 BP bullets
« Last post by Mako on Yesterday at 10:58:58 AM »
Quote from: Coffinmaker on April 14, 2024, 09:22:17 AM
:)  Hey Hey Deacon  ;)

Based on your measurements, My opine would be for .358 Bullets, which for BP would fill out the Grooves (as it should) when cast soft.  I think the other guys (above) suggested the same dimensions also.  Have fun with that beastie  :D

Heading out, but time for one quick answer.  Coffin Maker is absolutely right.

You lucked out in the greater sense because you now have a much greater choice of ready made bullets.  Ø.358 is what you need. But as Coffin Maker said try to get SOFT lead bullets, not Wheel weights or even range scrap which tend towards 12 BHN, get almost pure lead, you can get it.  If you need the name of someone who sell honest soft lead on Ebay I can get it for you.  He uses roof lead and I measured it as 4-5 Bhn.  I was hoping you didn't have one with the Ø.361 throat openings.

~Mako

So get any Ø.358 you want including molds.
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The Powder Room - CAS reloading / Re: Round nosed bullets in a tubular magazine?
« Last post by Coffinmaker on Yesterday at 09:26:10 AM »

 :) B.R.S.  ;)

I'm sorry, but some of your "Devils Advocate" argumentative bent is . . . . dumb.  You as WHY did Winchester do things sufficiently in the past, there is no one still living who could authoritatively answer that question.

You also ask "So What is True and what is Myth.  Have you really chosen to ignore the FACT there have been Magazine Detonations??  Do you really choose to ignore there CAN be Magazine detonations??

Or are you just determined to play the part of a TROLL??

 
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The Darksider's Den / Re: .45 Cowboy Special
« Last post by King Medallion on April 14, 2024, 09:52:49 PM »
You don't need an ACP cylinder, 45 Cowboy special works perfectly in a regular 45 Colt cylinder.
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The Powder Room - CAS reloading / Re: Round nosed bullets in a tubular magazine?
« Last post by Black River Smith on April 14, 2024, 08:54:32 PM »
Quote from: Black River Smith on September 05, 2023, 04:05:11 PM
Ok, I am asking these questions not to be causing problems but because -- I just cannot find a True Logical Justification for it.

Why after Winchester's long history of flat nose bullets in their developed rounds(44Henry, 44-40, 38-40, 45-75, 45-60, 40-60, 38-55, 32-40 and so on), just why did they introduce the 1894 -- 30WCF 30-30 in a Full Round Nose bullet?  IMO Winchester did a lot of experimenting and researching before releasing any of its designs and changes.  As seen in Herbert Houze book "Winchester Repeating Arms Company Its History & Development from 1865 to 1981."

And Then,

When did Ideal/Lyman offer the Flat Nose #311041 or #31141?   Also   Was it after the manufacture of the Round Nose #311241 or #311291, both for the 30-30 cartridge?  This following statement is taken from the Lyman and Ideal Description listing found on a website.  "The 311291 is much shorter than the 311299 and has a true round nose profile to allow use in lever guns etc. It is also a bore rider design many folks seem to find it more accurate than the 311041 in the 30-30."  Do not really know who made that statement.

So what is True and what is Myth?


OKAY,  I am bringing this old posting up again because, 1. It came to mind and 2. I just bought a Cramer full round nose 358-158 bullet mold this week.  Also, I had time to finally go through all my Ideal/Lyman Reloading Manual starting in 1951 the 38th Edition.  I used the same 'idea' as I posted in my previous posting, that I quote here.

When was the Introduction of the 'Absolutely Necessary' Flat Nose 31141/311041 first offered or created by Lyman in the famous Winchester 1894 30/30?  When previously only Full Round Nose designs like the 311241 & 311291 were only listed for this cartridge.

The answer to that question was found in the 1956 - 43rd Edition.  It was the first time that Lyman mentions the use of this mold in the reloading section and also lists it as a mold offerings.

The following statement Or question is meant as a JOKE but think about the implications to some of your own statements.   So with this information IS EVERYONE in agreement that Lyman 'Detonated' bullets in every 30/30 Win and Marlin USED from 1894 to 1955?  But saved everything in 1956 to present with the 31141 design?  Also do not use the hardness issue in your argument we are talking cast lead CAS bullets, not Jacketed hunting bullets.

As I stated, I like the Winchester originally Flat Nosed designed bullets in all their early rifles/cartridges, I use them in my rifles.  But why did they feel alright/safe to produce a Full Round Nose bullets in the 1894 - 30WCF cartridge?

And Yes, I have read where people have had Detonations but never have seen full investigation or reports as to the WHYS.  So many other possibilities with reloading.  Yes to me, Flat Nose Bullets are the Safest Option and should be the Default for people that do not understand design shapes and terms.

Not all termed Round Nose bullet shapes are 'Full radiused' Round Nose bullets like the 311291 and 311241 designs.

Still would be interested in peoples comments, as to Why Winchester did that in 1895.
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The Longbranch / Re: gunoholic
« Last post by Major E A Sterner on April 14, 2024, 05:06:12 PM »
Thanks
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The Darksider's Den / Re: Looking for .360 BP bullets
« Last post by Coffinmaker on April 14, 2024, 09:22:17 AM »

 :)  Hey Hey Deacon  ;)

Based on your measurements, My opine would be for .358 Bullets, which for BP would fill out the Grooves (as it should) when cast soft.  I think the other guys (above) suggested the same dimensions also.  Have fun with that beastie  :D
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The Darksider's Den / Re: A Poll about your bullets
« Last post by Cliff Fendley on April 13, 2024, 08:44:18 PM »
Quote from: Mako on April 13, 2024, 12:42:48 AM
Cliff,
That is good, like I wrote before, I hope to get something together we can compile and post adding it to the Dark Arts archive along with commentary.  A data base where we can send people and help them find the best bullets for what they are trying to do.  I know John wasn't averse to change, he realized he didn't have all of the answers and was always learning. So he would welcome improvements to anything he started.

There are so many molds in Tom's catalog now it is confusing and I don't understand why there are even some showing "0" sold.  Most people would look at the catalog and go for the 31-110C since there have been 29 sold not realizing the improvement with the 31-115D.  Your 31-115D is only a few thousandths from the max depth he would cut so there would be no need to make an analog of the .32 Big Lube mold, and you have a lube surface of .16 which is a good ratio to the bullet diameter.  I would assume it doesn't lead badly with the right lube.

Wasn't the Big Lube .32 caliber mold a lightweight bullets, somewhere around 80 grains?  I never paid attention to it, does anyone have the dimensions on it?  I think the only people who would be interested in it would be someone shooting the .32 Mag, the ogive on yours and Johns are better for feeding in a rifle like the Win '92, Marlin or Henry.  A '73 doesn't care what you have for feeding, but a loading ramp works better with the longer bullets.  The Snake Bite works better in my Daughter's Marlin and the longer ogive actually helps with guns intended for .357 mag.

I guess there are so many molds in his catalog because there a lot of people just want their "own" design which leads to the proliferation of catalog numbers.  Plus, Tom makes it easy to come up with a new design since they are actually all "one offs" anyway because the cavity profiles are CNC machined and he doesn't make "cherries" to cut the molds.  I for one will probably not have .44 design unless Tom will actually make a deeper groove that .03" for us.  There isn't any need, any variation would be to close to a couple that are already in the catalog to justify a different design.  The .38 is a different matter, there was nothing like it with a deep groove which we can get at .03", they all give up some of that depth in their designs.  I have recovered Snake Bite bullets and unlike the Mav Dutchman they seem to use most of the lube and I find them to be accurate out to longer ranges.

~Mako

The 31-115D carries plenty of lube. Using Olde E I can shoot a six stage match without cleaning my rifle. That's using SPG or my 50/50 deer tallow and beeswax. When designing it John was the one that laid out the lube groove dimensions.
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The Darksider's Den / Re: .45 Cowboy Special
« Last post by LonesomePigeon on April 13, 2024, 07:58:58 PM »
That's way cool. Gives me a reason to get a .45 ACP cylinder.
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