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Special Interests - Groups & Societies => STORM => Topic started by: Hoof Hearted on November 17, 2012, 11:08:16 AM
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I have thought about doing this for a while.
Over on "The High Road" there are OFFICIAL threads for the different models so I am going to do the same thing here.
Many of us like to show off our pistols and this will give us a place to do so w/o "hijacking" our pards threads ;)
Rules are simple with "no axe grinding" taking precedence, followed by "stick to the topic" (no other models posted, please), then if you are seeking gunsmith advice, or reloading opinions, or grip refinishing, antiquing advice or whatever, please search for like posts and/or start one of your own.........
Thanks, HH
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Here's an 1851 Conversion I built for Dave Carrico a few years back.....
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/100_1192.jpg)
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/100_1194.jpg)
That is an R&D conversion and a Kirst ejector ;)
HH
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Nice gun Hoof. Now it's my turn to post pictures of the two I am proud to own. The 7 inch barrel one is not in my possession yet. It's an Uberti in .38 Special. I am getting it for Christmas from the misses. She paid for some of it and I covered the rest. She's my santa claus. ;D
The 5.5 inch barrel one is one I found at a gun show and just had to have it. It's an ASM and in really beautiful shape. It is marked as being .38 Colt, but I've been told that it can handle the .38 Special cowboy loads. The grips on it are what first caught my eye. I wish I could find another set of those grips to fit my longer barreled one (when I finally have it in my hands). But I doubt that many cowboys ever had a set of guns that were totally matched like that so maybe I'll just keep them as they are.
Anyway, enjoy. And thanks for starting these threads. I hope others post their gun porn on here. I just love looking at beautiful guns. ;)
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I just sold an ASM exactly like your 5 &1/2 incher..........
Same grips too :-\
I have a feeling that they might have been proprietary.
Nice pair tho :o
HH
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Dang. LOL. Would love to have bought that off of you. I bought this one for $300.00. I figured I was getting a good deal on it.
Sounds like you're right about the grips. They must have been a factory order option. Probably couldn't find any that aren't mounted on one of these models. And if I did I doubt they would fit an Uberti since most ASM parts don't play well with other brands.
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Here are a few pics of an 1851 Pietta that I built for myself........
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/conversions/100_2450.jpg)
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/conversions/100_2451.jpg)
This one has a Kirst ring and the original cylinder (chambered in 38LC heeled) with the back turned down like an original Colt.
The hammer is also now checkered.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/conversions/100_2452.jpg)
The Kirst ejector has also been blended into the rammer lug.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/conversions/100_2453.jpg)
The tab on the ejector was checkered and some subtle changes made to the mounting tab.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/conversions/100_2453.jpg)
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Dang. LOL. Would love to have bought that off of you. I bought this one for $300.00. I figured I was getting a good deal on it.
Sounds like you're right about the grips. They must have been a factory order option. Probably couldn't find any that aren't mounted on one of these models. And if I did I doubt they would fit an Uberti since most ASM parts don't play well with other brands.
If Buffalo Brothers grips are still around you might try a pair of theirs. They had some close to those and they have varying levels of "antique".
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Beautiful gun man. You do darn good work. I wish I had such skills.
I was thinking of Buffalo Brothers. I looked at their site recently and see that they do have a set of grips that are pretty close. Might have to do a tracing of the grips on my Uberti and buy some from them. Their prices are good too.
Keep up the good work. It's much appreciated when you share your photos.
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I purchased a pair of the .44 Pietta Navy Models, the shiny steel ones, from Cabellas and would love to do a full conversion on a pair like these one day. I read somwhere that Pietta claims that, though these are not stainless, they are a different rust resistant steel from their normal usage?? I do not think it would look good to have those contrasting parts but figure the blue Kirst parts could be buffed white and kept oiled and polishedto maintain a match?
OH, if these are to remain dedicated threads they need to be kept at the top, and I do like this 'dedicated' idea.
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A few pictures, I will post more when I solve Photobucket's problems, hardly anything works with their new format.
Long and short with R&D conversion. 7-1/2 inch has a modified Remington front sight, short is hand made sight.
Install a 72 Uberti ejector on a 51.
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Some of mine:
2nd Gen Grant/Lee matched pair
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/fingersmcgee/Misc050.jpg)
FIE Nickel plated circa 1972
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/fingersmcgee/FIEPair1.jpg)
2nd Gen Colt US Army commemorative
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/fingersmcgee/DSCN0339.jpg)
Stainless Steel 2nd Gen Colt cased set
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/fingersmcgee/Cased2ndGenSSNavy.jpg)
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LORDY, I must be the only poor guy who posts here!
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LORDY, I must be the only poor guy who posts here!
Well you are rich in friendships! :o
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I am actually waiting to hear how much those enriched friendships are worth!!! ;D
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Here is mine. One of the lazer engraved Pietta models. Need to get better grips on it though.
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Frankly I like those grips.
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Here are a few pics of an 1851 Pietta that I built for myself........
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/conversions/100_2450.jpg)
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/conversions/100_2451.jpg)
This one has a Kirst ring and the original cylinder (chambered in 38LC heeled) with the back turned down like an original Colt.
The hammer is also now checkered.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/conversions/100_2452.jpg)
The Kirst ejector has also been blended into the rammer lug.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/conversions/100_2453.jpg)
The tab on the ejector was checkered and some subtle changes made to the mounting tab.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/conversions/100_2453.jpg)
hh ,
you said you turned the back down on the original cylinder like the original colts. is this one of the services you offer? i've just about rubbed a bald spot in my beard since reading this post
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Second Gen Colt 1851 with 1861 trigger guard and Tru-Ivory grips.
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hh ,
you said you turned the back down on the original cylinder like the original colts. is this one of the services you offer? i've just about rubbed a bald spot in my beard since reading this post
PM sent to ya!
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I am actually waiting to hear how much those enriched friendships are worth!!! ;D
Almost as much as "style" points. :o
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Hi,
Here are some pics of my 'gun that never was'; an ASM (?) .44 Cal '51 Colt. Although non-traditional, it spends most of it's time in the holster; and when out it makes a nice big boom ... too far from the spectators to see that it is a .44Cal. ...
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PM sent to ya!
hh,
pm recieved and email sent. thanks
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Second Gen Colt 1851 with 1861 trigger guard and Tru-Ivory grips.
very nice :o
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very nice :o
Dittos. Sweet pistol
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Dittos. Sweet pistol
Thanks! I like it a lot...I just wish the grips fit a bit better.... :-\
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Been doing some gun room cleaning and found these two I forgot about. A pair of Robert E. Lee "C" series Colts. Now I need to decide whether to tune and shoot them or leave them stock and new in the box. I bought these because my fingers barely fit in the square back trigger guards. 2nd Gen 1851 Colts with round trigger guards are scarce.
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Thanks! I like it a lot...I just wish the grips fit a bit better.... :-\
I can fit that frame and those grips to each other for ya!
Then we need to silver plate it.............
HH
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I can fit that frame and those grips to each other for ya!
Then we need to silver plate it.............
HH
HH,
You've got mail! ;D
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Been doing some gun room cleaning and found these two I forgot about. A pair of Robert E. Lee "C" series Colts. Now I need to decide whether to tune and shoot them or leave them stock and new in the box. I bought these because my fingers barely fit in the square back trigger guards. 2nd Gen 1851 Colts with round trigger guards are scarce.
I have three of those and they are by far my "favor-ites" of all the Colts.
One some jack wagon antiqued (rusted to hell) and even "un" fitted the grips on it :-\
I use it for a sort of test mule in cartridge work.
One is just like yours in the box w/accessories and unfired.
One is getting the (commemorative) roll marking removed and some subtle 1st generation metal work done to it...
HH
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the colt 1851 navy is my all time favorite hand gun.
here are mine.
my well used 3rd generation with accessories, and yes boys its loaded it stays this way from october to about mid march, if it aint loaded it cuz i'm reloading it ;D
(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj38/buckskinbilly/101_1586.jpg)
a very old uberti with a 5 some odd inch barrel that i found in a pawn shop about 15 years ago. it didnt have a lick of bluing left on it.
(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj38/buckskinbilly/101_1587.jpg)
my second generation made in 1974 with a colt display box and accessories
(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj38/buckskinbilly/101_1588.jpg)
my second generation 1 of 500 shooters i believe that was made in 1976,note the brass trigger guard
(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj38/buckskinbilly/101_1589.jpg)
to me this gun has the best case harden i have seen on a factory gun
(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj38/buckskinbilly/101_1591.jpg)
(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj38/buckskinbilly/101_1592.jpg)
and just for fun
(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj38/buckskinbilly/101_1593.jpg)
i have a second generation made in 1971 with a dixon bag flask due in any day now that i'll post pictures of when i get it, and im fatten up my piggy bank for another one that i have a cool project in mind for after the first of the year ;D
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Guess I should include my THUER here ;)
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/THUER/Untitled-1.jpg)
This is a Colts Second Generation, Original (hand engraved, London) cylinder and a hand made ring...
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/THUER/Thuer-cylinder---ring.gif)
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/THUER/Thuer-Cylinder-rear2-1.gif)
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c91/buckoff123/THUER/Untitled.jpg)
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Got some pictures of the Thuer ammo?
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Got some pictures of the Thuer ammo?
Take a look here:
http://www.cascity.com/forumhall/index.php/topic,45685.0.html
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What's the general opinions about Traditions guns?
I see one on gun broker that I'm interested in.
Are they worth the money?
This one has a 5 inch barrel, is nickel and engraved. They are asking around $270.00.
Good price? Bad price?
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Sounds like an "Old Silver" in 44 cal.........
Those are photo engraved.
The 44 calibre 1851''s tend to sell cheaper.
Are you sure it's nickle and not just in the white?
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Sounds like an "Old Silver" in 44 cal.........
Those are photo engraved.
The 44 calibre 1851''s tend to sell cheaper.
Are you sure it's nickle and not just in the white?
The Traditions/Piettas photo engraved .44 cal 5 inch barreled '51 navies come in two varieties, The old silver finish - that I can't tell you what it actually is; but I'm thinking some kind of chemical etching of the metal - and the heat treated high polished in the white that looks like nickel.
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You're correct. I went back to the auction and it's the 44 Cal model and it says the barrel is 7 inches. I lost any interest I had in it. I preferred it was a. 36 instead and had a 5 inch barrel.
Oh well. :)
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Don't give up Brotha!
There are some great deals to be had on there ;)
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Guess I'll post a pic of my 1851 London Models - original and reproduction .....
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/850x598q90/923/Eo85TX.jpg)
The original is one of 800 such revolvers purchased from British War Department stocks by Canada (i.e. the pre-Confederation Colony, consisting of Upper Canada and Lower Canada) in 1855 for issue to its Volunteer Militia Troops of Cavalry. This one is marked on the grips .... as all of them were .... in this case denoting that this revolver was issued in Upper Canada as number 4 of the 50 revolvers issued in B Troop (St. Catharines in the Niagara Region) -
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/600x655q90/924/fqmkCB.jpg)
The reproduction revolver (Uberti) is one of a "limited commemorative edition" sold back in the 1970's by an Ontario gun dealer, each one marked as one of the originals would have been marked .....
And I now have a London-style case (made by Bill's Cases) which will fit either revolver, of course. Here it is housing the original -
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/750x688q90/922/0XM9g9.jpg)
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Rattlesnake Jack, that is an awesome original and having a matching repro is very cool as well.
I've posted these before, but since we have an official '51 picture thread now :) here's my Cimarron '51 conversions again.
The 7 1/2" Richards-Masons I had first, and the fancy 5 1/2" came later. They are charcoal blue, engraved by Kelly Laster, then I sent the frames to Doug Turnull for his case hardening. For a while I had Thunderer grips on them (hi-resolution pic of those that shows the engraving better here: http://www.davidscottharper.com/shoot/Thunderer-Masons.jpg ) They now have Bar-S Tru-Ivory "slightly aged" grips.
(http://www.davidscottharper.com/photos/Four_R-Ms.jpg)
I rotate through several sets of guns shooting CAS, but shoot these the most. Great for BP Gunfighter.
(http://www.davidscottharper.com/photos/Engr_RMsSmall.jpg)
And this is the original set after I refinished the grips with an oil finish
(http://www.davidscottharper.com/photos/1851_R-Ms.jpg)
Nichols Creek shot this video of me shooting the engraved conversions gunfighter style. Not the smoothest in the world and one rifle miss through the smoke, but who cares? ;D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JpUwjB5SNY
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Here's a few of Cimarron's 1851 show guns that I had a chance to take pictures of:
This one has Bar-S Tru-Ivory grips. I'm not sure if it is in the white or "antique nickle" that they used to offer.
(http://www.davidscottharper.com/photos/Cim_1851-1.jpg)
This is actually just an off-the-shelf Uberti offering with micarta grips and laser-engraving:
(http://www.davidscottharper.com/photos/Cim_1851-3.jpg)
This one that is labelled "Hickock" on the box has Turnbull case-colors, I think. Not sure if the grips are ivory or not. This gun is what inspired me to get charcoal blue engraved conversions.
(http://www.davidscottharper.com/photos/Cim_1851-2.jpg)
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Glad to see not all the 1851s have been converted, someone needs to keep the originals the way they were in this thread! I am the odd man out in this thread as I have never really gotten to fond of the 1851. Just not my cup of tea. That said, I did have a couple,
Here is the first one.
And the other one.
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My 1851 sheriffs
top is a Pietta and bottom is an ASM
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a second generation colt made in 1971. with a colt 3 way tool, a dixon bag flask and a john cohea knife with bark ivory handles and damacus blade. words can't describe and pictures dont do justice for this set up
(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj38/buckskinbilly/101_1628_zps3a20e2db.jpg)
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and what i like to call my 3 senoritas.
1971
1974
1976 one of 500
(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj38/buckskinbilly/101_1615_zpsb4efda32.jpg)
the one of 500 is a shooter to. 6 shot group at 15 paces. the bottom bullet holes are from one of the other guns
(http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj38/buckskinbilly/101_1616_zpsf012a15c.jpg)
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Hope this is the right place to ask this!!! Just picked up a 1851 " brass case", from a friend of mine,it has a "B D" stamped in a square ,i know it's to tell the date of mfg. ,but i"v lost my copy ( or list) of dates anyone,,,,help it is .44 cal.7 1/2 " new never fired NIB.
Hootmix
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CORRECTION!!!!!! it's "BZ" not BD,, .
Hootmix.
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BZ=2005
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Thanks, Major 2, now i need the one for "BD",,,,,this gun's gett'n older by the minute!!!!!! I'v never even held a 51 before,now i own one. It is heaver than i thought it would be, but it feels handy, and fairly well balanced. The hammer seems to be a bit stout,how much can i light'n it up ,or do these c&b's need more than ,,,say my 75's???
Hootmix
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Thanks, Major 2, now i need the one for "BD",,,,,this gun's gett'n older by the minute!!!!!! I'v never even held a 51 before,now i own one. It is heaver than i thought it would be, but it feels handy, and fairly well balanced. The hammer seems to be a bit stout,how much can i light'n it up ,or do these c&b's need more than ,,,say my 75's???
Hootmix
Here's a date code list. Not the latest; but, current enough.
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/fingersmcgee/DateCodes-1.jpg)
The spring needs to be stiffer than for a cartridge gun. You can lighten it up some. Really depends on how stiff it is to begin with. The older models had some really stiff (3/4 ton truck) springs and can benefit just buy getting a new spring from Taylor's or VTI. Put some Slix Shot nipples on it, and you can get a reduced power mainspring for an SAA that will make the pistol feel like greased lightning.
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Fingers,,,Major 2,, Many thanks . It appears this 51 is a 94 model ,,,i will have more questions about what i can & can't do with a brass framed unit ,,i don't really shoot "BP",,BUT I SURE LIKE THE FEEL OF THI PIECE.
Hootmix.
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I like the feel of all the '51's, just seem to point and hit where you point and shoot.
I would like to try the "Never Was". The Pietta '51 44. As I understand that one has the navy frame(in 44) and grips. The only reason I don't have a '51 currently is that I shoot 44's.
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Howdy ,Halfway , Like i stated befor, this 51 has never had a cap snaped on it. But from what i'v been reading here on the forum's ye can't convert the brass frame to shoot cartrages. I'll just play with this one you know sort of get the feel of handleing and pointing, maybe later trade for a steel frame or one already converted. I have been told the differance between army & navy,, but holing this navy,,,, i now know what the boys were talking about.
Hootmix.
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Hey Halfway, the navy 51 i just picked up says pietta .44 on the barrel, but the frame is brass am i thinking wrong here, or does pietta mean steel frame ? And i discovered,, my big ,narrrrrley hands are the wrong size for navy frames ,but man it still feels handy. I been thinking a 72 ( army) would be nice,and if they fell as good as the 51's ,,oh well i'm still look'n & learn'n.
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I think they make/made both the brasser and the steel frame in the "NeverWas" 44 '51 Colt repro. but I do not know for sure.
"NeverWas" is reference to the fact that Colt never produced the "51 in 44 cal.
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Thanks Halfway,, some of this info., never was- never is - never should -never will ,,,,but why didn't they????? ,o'l son i got me some learn'n to do.
Hootmix.
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Capitalism :) it's in the name of making money
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Even though I refer to them as "NeverWas" I would like to handle and shoot one in steel frame to see if it points and handles as well as the '51 36's do. The 1860 NMA 44 is just too big for my small hands for me to do it justice, were as, the 51 Colts are just about perfect. They would be perfect if made in 44. IMO!
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Halfway,,soooo what your say'n ,,is this "1851 REB. Nord NAVY cal. 44" ( authantic repro. by F.LLI Pietta ) is really a " never was"????
Is that because it wasn't made in .44 ,,,#%*#%* the more i try to ask about this the mooore cornfused i are. I better luuk up some history on this here computor.
All help is really appreiciated.
Hootmix.
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As already indicated, this particular Colt configuration - and the "Navy" designation applied to it - was a .36 caliber revolver only. Also, with this reproduction being referred to as a "Reb" I assume it is brass framed .... something else Colt never made! (Not strong enough ....)
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The Reb's did produce Colt copies with Brass Frames because the south did not have the styeel resources that the North did, so the "reb" names. there were Griswold (sic) and Gunnison, and Leech & Rigdon that built Colt Copies for the south during the Civil war. Unfortunately as stated above, the Reb designation of the 51' 44 is only a marketing ploy. there were never any, North or South, 44 1851 Colt or Colt Copy.
That said, enjoy your new Pistola, and learn to shoot it, study and research. We have all been where you are now.
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The Reb's did produce Colt copies with Brass Frames because the south did not have the styeel resources that the North did, so the "reb" names. there were Griswold (sic) and Gunnison, and Leech & Rigdon that built Colt Copies for the south during the Civil war. Unfortunately as stated above, the Reb designation of the 51' 44 is only a marketing ploy. there were never any, North or South, 44 1851 Colt or Colt Copy.
That said, enjoy your new Pistola, and learn to shoot it, study and research. We have all been where you are now.
Charlie, the Confederate brass framed revolvers based on Col. Colt's design were the Griswold & Gunnison (approx 3700 made) and the Schneider and Glassick (<50 made). The other brass framed revolver was the Spiller & Burr (< 1500 made) which was a copy of the 1861 Whitney revolver, and the Cofer revolver (around 100 made). The Leech and Rigdon, Rigdon and Ansley, and CH Rigdon Augusta models (combine total of around 2500 made) were iron framed. All of which (brass & iron) were .36 caliber.
There were some iron framed .44 cal revolvers made; albeit very few. The JH Dance and the Tucker and Sherrard; but they were based on the 3rd model Dragoons.
Slamfire, as Charlie said, enjoy your new pistola. AFAIC, any BP C&B revolver is better than none. My first one was a brass framed .36, and I still have a few.
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Thanks for clearing that up that. I am not as up on the CSA mfg.'s as I should be. I knew about the Dance Bros, having seen an original at a show once. Never knew the L & R was Steel Framed.
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Many thanks to ya'll, i'v been read'n on here & other sourses about 1800's ( fire arms). The pard i bought my .44 from also has a .36 ( reb) never fired,,same weight & size ,,didn't want to sell. After seeing some of the 51 conversions ,i'm highly impressed, and i know that's what i want,,,,just which one ,,51, 60, or 72,, i got'a get off here my little head hurts.
Hootmix.
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One of my first posts. After having a pair of Cimarron MWNN conversions (one with snakes on both sides like Blondie's and one plain like Tuco;s) I had to have something a little extra. When I saw these on GB these had to be added to the collection. 1851 Colts with Kirst Conversions + sleeved barrels so they will shoot regular flat nose .38 specials with hand carved Hickok Liberty Eagle elephant ivory grips done by Jerry Meacham.
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More pics...
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Very nice :)
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There was one more .44 colt copy made for the south during the war for independence from the North. It was made in Richardson Texas by the Richardson Arms Company, based on the 2nd model Dragoon. They only made a few when the hostilities ceased and the occupation started an still continues. They were ironed framed.
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carolina, nice indeed! Those wood grips have some nice figure to them as well.
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My ASM (I Think) .44 Cal '51 Colt .... I know, I know, the gun that never was ... but it was cheap used and the larger bore goes 'Boom' better for reenacting ....
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Fer WWE...
I know, I know, the gun that never was ...
So`s a helofa lotta other pistolas we use `n enjoy
Paladin (Whats gotta .44 #51 too ;) ) UK
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Maybe instead of saying "the gun that never was" it should be "the gun that should have been" or "the gun that they wish they did if they had the technology we do today". ;)
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Hi,,
I have to admit that I like this weapon, even tho I have never fired a bullet with it ...only lots and lots of floral foam ... it goes 'BOOM' 90% of the time....
And even though I do not do bullets in it, it is nice to know that in a real situation I could trust on the bullets to do the damage necessary ...
TTFN,
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In a sticky thread, I showed the transformation of this one.
It is Pietta I acquired in a trade for some leather work....
It has had the grip re-profiled & the barrel "lawyer inspired" roll script removed & polished ( de-farbed)
I've shortened the barrel to 5 3/16 " like the original it replicates.
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Posted ;D
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Mighty Fine one there, Major 2........Dusty
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yippie! Here's my brandy-new Colt Navy from Pietta, along with some others...
--TK
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Figure for my first post, I'd share some pics!!!
Here's my collection of 51's, with my Damascus Bowie and Pedersoli 2 row side by each!!
The 3 '51 long barrels are .44, the shorty is an 1861 in .36. The Bowie is from Anderson Forge.
We do CW reenacting mostly, but at times do a Bushwacker impression. I made a double cross draw shoulder rig out of harness leather and rivets!!
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My buddy Shane is on the Street Howitzer
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Pair of 2nd Gens. One a first year & one from 1974
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/fingersmcgee/RIALot1948A_zps50fed8f6.jpg)
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/fingersmcgee/RIALot1948B_zps240be6b5.jpg)
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Those are beauties
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Got lucky and walked into two deals recently. First was the 49 Pocket, which I was really happy about, then this 51 turned up. It needed some work, which made the price too good to turn down. SN is from 1852. It's not the tightest 51 I ever handled, but it's not bad, and it will shoot. The picture doesn't show it, but there is about 80% silver on the grip straps. It's a keeper for sure!
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Awwww....C'mon 'Zona. Your making those of us with repros jealous.
--TK
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Just keep your ear to the ground and be patient. Once in a while a great opportunity will fall in your lap. I've been lucky more than a few times.
Went to the range yesterday and tried her out. 12gr Swiss FFF and .5cc of filler with a pasteboard card under a 375 ball, which will be a 380 next time. Put a couple in the black at 25 yards, which surprised no one more than me!
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A Pietta 1851 London:
(http://photos.imageevent.com/newfrontier45/sixgunsiii/large/IMG_2005b.jpg)
And a Pietta 1851 .44 pimp special:
(http://photos.imageevent.com/newfrontier45/sixgunsiii/large/IMG_1937b.jpg)
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Second Gen Colt 1851 with 1861 trigger guard and Tru-Ivory grips.
Super looking 1851
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Second Gen Colt 1851 with 1861 trigger guard and Tru-Ivory grips.
Please educate me, how does the 1861 grip frame differ from the one on the 1851? I thought they were the same?
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I believe that is what is referred to as a "third style" or "late" trigger guard and would be appropriate for an 1851 as well as the squareback (dragoon) style.
HH
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New Uberti London Navy. Smoothed, grips refinished in oil. Tresco nips etc. Smooth and well balanced. Those grips turned out light in spite of staining. Interesting. Uberti wood is all over the place from dark to this color.
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It looks very nice though Fred.... :)
Uberti uses a tough finish on their grips, it will come off but it is also deep in the grain.
I use stripper and lacquer thinner for a final prep, Fibing's Leather stain (alcohol based ) VS Oil based stain seems to work some better.
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Hi,
In areas that the police don't allow firing weapons, I am looking for a (cheap) non-firing '51 to fill the holster... any suggestions?
TTFN,
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Fred, your new Navy is a handsome article, light wood or not. I just received a Pietta London Navy (on sale at Cabela's -- I'm just a sucker) and will post up when I get a chance.
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HERE YOU GO WADD
http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=denix+replica+guns&tag=mh0b-20&index=aps&hvadid=187204038&ref=pd_sl_3jbvaudu64_b
Scroll through..
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Here is mine. One of the lazer engraved Pietta models. Need to get better grips on it though.
I have that one as well, and it is beautiful. I concur about the grips. While I find them attractive, they are not the best things to hold on to.
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Fred, your new Navy is a handsome article, light wood or not. I just received a Pietta London Navy (on sale at Cabela's -- I'm just a sucker) and will post up when I get a chance.
Thanks. I like the gun. Probably the best made least in need of minor adjustments of all I have had.
A friend just picked up a Pietta 1861 and likes it a lot. I've had bad experiences with Piettas in the past but just got a Dance Brothers Pietta and was pleasantly surprised. Nice gun needing minor clean up.
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It looks very nice though Fred.... :)
Uberti uses a tough finish on their grips, it will come off but it is also deep in the grain.
I use stripper and lacquer thinner for a final prep, Fibing's Leather stain (alcohol based ) VS Oil based stain seems to work some better.
Thanks for the tip. I do use a spirit based stain. Plinkingtons. I do all my grips the same stain and oil and they just turn out all over the road. I strip with Jasco. Seems to do a good job (in particular burning on your skin - use gloves) but you are right, the original finish is deep. I don't stain until I get wood that will absorb the stain. Also this picture was taken with a Sony camera set on "Toy" a program designed to mimic a childs toy camera. Colors are exaggerated and not quite true. Grips look lighter and more orange than they really are. I did the same on my Uberti 61 and they are dark, dark, dark. Roll of the dice. The blued trigger guard also calls attention to the grips.
I just love doing this. I can play gunsmith without messing up anything serious. Often with Ubertis I need to install a button on the end of the cylinder pin to fix the cylinder gap. This one was good to go as delivered. Less work for me.
The Plinkingtons stain I use is their Pre 64 Winchester model 70 stock color. The oil, their red/brown oil.
I gave up on water stains long ago. Fun with guns.
Just to demonstrate, Here are three guns with the grips finished exactly the same way heh. All over the road.
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"Results may vary...."
I think they turned out nice.....
--TK
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Please educate me, how does the 1861 grip frame differ from the one on the 1851? I thought they were the same?
1st and second model 1851 Navies had the square back trigger guard. At serial number 4201, Colt changed to a small round trigger guard on the early 3rd model Navies and continued to use it until SN 85000 when they changed to the large rounded trigger guard in 1858 on the 4th model navies. When the 1861 Navy came out, it also had the large rounded trigger guard from the 4th model 1851. The replica makers have a mixture of trigger guard configurations on their navies, some square back, some small rounded and some large rounded. The Colt 2nd Gen 1851s were based on a 2nd model 1851 Navy that had the square backed trigger guard. The 1861 Navies by Colt and Uberti have the large round trigger guard from the later models.
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1st and second model 1851 Navies had the square back trigger guard. At serial number 4201, Colt changed to a small round trigger guard on the early 3rd model Navies and continued to use it until SN 85000 when they changed to the large rounded trigger guard in 1858 on the 4th model navies. When the 1861 Navy came out, it also had the large rounded trigger guard from the 4th model 1851. The replica makers have a mixture of trigger guard configurations on their navies, some square back, some small rounded and some large rounded. The Colt 2nd Gen 1851s were based on a 2nd model 1851 Navy that had the square backed trigger guard. The 1861 Navies by Colt and Uberti have the large round trigger guard from the later models.
That is, of course, because they are made from the same parts. ;)
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1st and second model 1851 Navies had the square back trigger guard. At serial number 4201, Colt changed to a small round trigger guard on the early 3rd model Navies and continued to use it until SN 85000 when they changed to the large rounded trigger guard in 1858 on the 4th model navies. When the 1861 Navy came out, it also had the large rounded trigger guard from the 4th model 1851. The replica makers have a mixture of trigger guard configurations on their navies, some square back, some small rounded and some large rounded. The Colt 2nd Gen 1851s were based on a 2nd model 1851 Navy that had the square backed trigger guard. The 1861 Navies by Colt and Uberti have the large round trigger guard from the later models.
Thanks Fingers, I appreciate your reply. I have a pair of Uberti 61s, one has a round guard the other is squarebacked. Both have the fluted cylinders. Photo of them is on the first page of the 1861 thread.
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Thanks Fingers, I appreciate your reply. I have a pair of Uberti 61s, one has a round guard the other is squarebacked. Both have the fluted cylinders. Photo of them is on the first page of the 1861 thread.
Yes, I remember those. Some early ones IIRC. Wouldn't it be nice if they still made them in that configuration? Would give me more examples to buy. ;D
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http://americansocietyofarmscollectors.hostguardian.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/B023_Swayze.pdf
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very interesting article ... thanks Kid , I saved that to my Doc.
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very interesting article ... thanks Kid , I saved that to my Doc.
Dittos. It appears to have been presented before he wrote the book " '51 Colt Navies"
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Serial #124 with early rare screw under wedge configuration:
http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/56/lid/3212
Same but #490:
http://www.michaelsimens.com/antique-colt-firearms-for-sale/first-model-colt-navy-revolver.html
#518. Notice the different arbor cutout:
http://www.amoskeagauction.com/98/30.html
These are ultra rare.
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My latest 1851 C&B revolver. This is a Pietta "Wild Bill Hickok" model
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Beautiful gun and rig, Dude. Very nice.
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Fred fine photos are being held hostage ....I have deleted the perp's ransom notations
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Rust browned? Cool.
It looks similar to this L&R in France: http://repliquesoldwest.superforum.fr/t6560-leech-rigdon-enfin-presque
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Here is my old 51 Conversion in 44 Russian, I know there was no such caliber in a 51 but it is a good shooter. It has had many, many rounds fired in it with no problems, and it is a ASM. I know I have been lucky I have had no problems.
Reno NCOW #810
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Rust browned? Cool.
It looks similar to this L&R in France: http://repliquesoldwest.superforum.fr/t6560-leech-rigdon-enfin-presque
Very nice. My two favorite reproductions are the Leech and Rigdon and the Dance. Just like em.
The Dance got the same treatment as it was the other gun that lost it's blue when I screwed up and dunked both guns in the Hornaday Ultrasonic cleaner with the brass cleaning liquid. Now that that crisis is over and the guns are refinished like museum guns, I really like them. However, if I had not messed up and ruined the finish on the guns accidentally, I probably would not have refinished them. Luckily, I like the result.
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My new Pietta '51 in .36
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FiremanBrad, that is a cool background! and a mighty fine revolver.
here's the one my lady just picked up this past weekend:
(http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/57/17/c6/5717c625101c710e1c5b284466a13def.jpg)
looks to be a circa 1993 manufactured Armi San Marco. The grip feels just lovely.
and at the gunshow she picked up a mighty fine antique holster too. It's a bit short, and looked to at one time hold an Open Top, or conversion, as it has a bump on the side for an ejection rod but no hump on the top for a topstrap:
(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/9e/f7/6f/9ef76f56c7f1aa43c982f7b0ff02492f.jpg)
the holster literally just sucks the gun in and keeps it nice and tight. The strap over the hammer isn't really even needed.
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That background is the new Pietta box!!
Good find on that holster and pistol!!!
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One of the new laser engraved Pietta's. All ye purists cringe at the sight of a .44cal 1851!
(http://photos.imageevent.com/newfrontier45/sixgunsiv/large/IMG_5628b.jpg)
Group shot, of all my lasered Pietta's, mostly `51's.
(http://photos.imageevent.com/newfrontier45/sixgunsiv/large/IMG_5641b.jpg)
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Nice lookin bunch CraigC !!!!
Mike
www.goonsgunworks.com
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My Confederate guns. Top: recent Leech & Rigdon. Bottom: Griswold & Gunnison
(http://images20.fotki.com/v113/photos/0/1747790/9503212/Dixieguns-vi.jpg)
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Just finished this one, bobbed barrel to 5", defarbed and re-blued it and the ejector. Kirst Konverter and ejector, fires heel base ammo with 18 grains 3F Olde Ensford black powder. I haven't lubed the bullets in the pics yet, normally I won't lube them until the day I shoot. I just melt some lube in the microwave and dip the bullets nose first, or else just dip in crisco at the range.
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The big brown truck of happiness just arrived I present the Mistriss of London....... Uberti 1851 London Navy...
(http://i1027.photobucket.com/albums/y337/george_rose1/IMGP0063_zpsbq34og7t.jpg) (http://s1027.photobucket.com/user/george_rose1/media/IMGP0063_zpsbq34og7t.jpg.html)
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No pics...yet. I have this itch that I might just have to scratch. Let's say you were to take a second gen Colt 1851...let's go with a Signature Series gun because they are usually cheaper, and install an 1861 grass grip frame and trigger guard. While I am at it, I will replace all of the screws with a set of hardened screws from Uberti. But, before I install them, I will polish and nitre blue them. For grips, I think I will go with a set of Mexican Eagle polymers from Buffalo Brothers. Just for grins, let's install an R&D gated conversion cylinder in .38 Long Colt. Since picking empty cases out with my fingernails is a pain, let's also install a Kirst ejector rod. Pretty nifty so far, but not as handy as I would like. So, out comes the hacksaw.... WHACK 4 5/8" barrel with flat, uncrowned barrel, just like the three inches of barrel on the floor. Dang...no front sight! Kinda hard to aim without one. Let's install a dovetailed front sight, since it is easier to see. Stepping back to admire my handiwork, I realize that this is exactly the gun shown on the back cover of Adler's Cartridge Conversion book. I am sure I will be taken to task since Uberti already makes an R-M version that is very close to what I just described. Yes they do.... But it lacks two things that are important to me: correct barrel markings and proper case colors. Besides, building it is half the fun! ;D
Yup.... Might just have to scratch that itch...
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I like the idea. ::)
--TK
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Since it has been rumor'd, I may have dallied with a "hacksaw" from time to time ::) I really like your "itch." Twer it me dooin the scratching though, I'd be whacking that barrel off right at the end of the Kirst Ejector assembly (Never a barrel too short). That would be UBER Kool.
Carry it a yard or two further, I might just use an all Brass Trigger Guard/Back Strap with the Square trigger guard. Just don't forget to start the whole project by checking and corrective action on the Barrel to Arbor fit.
Guns-R-Fun
Coffinmaker
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Photobucket SUCKS !
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Photobucket SUCKS !
It surely does !
if your photos are held for ransom by photobucket.com ::)
I will not allow them to offend our bandwidth with their ransom notes ...I'll delete their big gray blotch
I suggest you post from My Pictures
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I set up an ImageShack account as soon as Photobucket did their dirty deed ... of course, I can only do links from there as i write new posts, but if any of my old posts which had Photobucket links get resurrected showing the "big gray blotch" (good description, Major!) I will usually move the photos to ImageShack and edit the post with the new links ...
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I had hundreds of images documented through Photobucket. When they decided they could put the squeeze on their loyal clientele, I removed them all and deleted as much account info as I could.
Have not tried to find a free substitute site yet, as I feel most will take Photobucket's lead and figure out they can add a revenue stream by doing the same.
Hence I've not posted images here or on other sites like I was wont to do.
Oh well . . .
RCJ
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Fortunately, I had few photo's on the "BUCKET"...and I lost but a few, but I know many lost many memories.
I use Disks & memory sticks from My Computer files...for the very reason RCJ states
" I feel most will take Photobucket's lead and figure out they can add a revenue stream by doing the same "
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It is odd to hear some of you speaking about "losing" images due to the change in Photobucket policy, because all images previously uploaded to Photobucket should still be there and entirely accessible by the account owner. Their new policy just automatically prevents "hot linking" any of those images into a posting on any other internet site unless you agree to pay their exhorbitant fees to upgrade to the new "Highway Robbery" account. I have left all my Photobucket images in place, but if I now want to put any image into an online posting (or if I want mages in earlier postings to re-appear in those postings) I put them up in my ImageShack account, from which they CAN be hot-linked ... Although it is not a "free" service, the subscription rates are only a small fraction of the ridiculous charge Photobucket demands for that privilege. (I tried to find another "free" image-hosting service which permits hot-linking, but couldn't find anything suitable for my needs.)
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Just testing the ability to attach picture direct from PC.
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those are beautiful
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If my photo's were small enough, I could post them directly from my photo library on my computer. Since mine are all over the mandated 400 size, I are out of luck.
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If you have MS Paint , you resize easily
Open the photo in paint ....upper left you'll resize click that , you'll see 100 % 100% simply change it to 25% click OK and Bobs your uncle
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Yes, the ability to resize images is basic to any imaging/image processing program or software. So is the ability to crop images, although it is clear that many people don’t know that either ... judging from the number of photos posted of a gun laying on the floor with the person’s feet ... or a pet ... or a bag of trash ... also in the photo!
;)
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If my photo's were small enough, I could post them directly from my photo library on my computer. Since mine are all over the mandated 400 size, I are out of luck.
Coffinmaker
Here is s simple fix (stumbled upon quite by accident) take the pics with yr phone - email it to yrself so ya got it on the computer - in that process the image is resized - still good enough (just!) to print at A4 size - dunno how they do this ? I have attached three to a single post and it went ahead ok - there would be better ways fr sure and it does nothing for images you already have stored -
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Ive had this for quite a while, but I didnt think to show it off until now. Its an 1851 Navy frontier style conversion in .38 Long Colt. It has had the barrel lined and defarbed, an “improved” loading port, the loading lever stud removed, and post added on the loading gate. Its pictured with some old American and Mexican coins, a cheroot, and gun leather. The lined, carved, stamped, and spotted holster was made by Allan Byrne in Pine Colorado and the belt is a cheap hunter brand 38/357 model; I have Allan currently working on a belt to match the holster.
(https://image.ibb.co/gGcnQf/20180507-150850.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/mVSXrL/31959585-2021923721169886-4763967726039334912-n.jpg)
(https://image.ibb.co/byuqd0/31956249-2021923677836557-2958198565236637696-n.jpg)
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Very cool, Doc! Are you a lefty?
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Very cool, Doc! Are you a lefty?
Yes, but I carry it but to the rear and twist draw. I can shoot with either hand.
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(https://image.ibb.co/mVSXrL/31959585-2021923721169886-4763967726039334912-n.jpg)
What for be the pin for? Just to facilitate opening or something else?
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Comparing three different 1851s (top down):
# Hartford-London Navy from 1855
# Italian Uberti made Navy 1:2.125 scale (same steel as the replicas: fully functional but non firing)
# Japanese Ohba made Navy 1:4 scale (made of blued silver: fully functional but non firing).
Long Johns Wolf
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Im Impressed.
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Scrolling through this thread to again admire the various revolvers posted here (... including, back on about page 2 or 3, my original Canadian Government purchaae London Navy and the reproduction London Navy I also have ...) it occurred to me tht there are few, if any. photo of owners actully shooting their revolvers. I did ensure that my original is fully functional, with a set of replacement nipples ... although the rather battered originals have been carefully preserved, of course ... and I have fired it. Wouldn't want to make a habit of it ... and, of course, that is what the reprocuction is for.
Anyway, here is a snap of me firing the original ...
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/800x506q90/923/2hi00S.jpg)
Who else has photos of their originals in action?
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RSJ How does it shoot with respect to POA to POI?
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To be honest, I don't really remember! ::)
I shot off two or three cylinders on that occasion (six or more years ago) then cleaned it up thoroughly and "retired" it to its rightful place in the collection ... My vague recollection is that it printed high from point of aim, at the relatively close range I was shooting it, just as the reroductions tend to do.
Mind you, my 1970's vintge reproduction London Navy has an anomalously high front sight post, which they did back in those days to bring the point of impact down at the close ranges at which modern shooters tend to fire them. The reproduction is actually one of a "semi-commemorative" batch sold by the Canadian distributor for Navy Arms back in the mid-1970's, each one of which has a facsimile of the original "Upper Canada" or "Lower Canada" issue markings, with a cavalry troop letter and "rack number" stamped on the grip, like the 800 original revolvers acquired in 1855/56 by the United Province of Upper and Lower Canada. In this picture, the inset shows a blowup of the front sight post of the original revolver, on the left of the inset, compared to that of the reproduction on the right ...) Presumably needless to say, the original revolver is the upper one in the photo ...)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/850x598q90/921/k6cUud.jpg)
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Thats a really nice repro, looks close to the original. Do the rack numbers correspond with the the units you portray?
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Comparing three different 1851s (top down):
# Hartford-London Navy from 1855
# Italian Uberti made Navy 1:2.125 scale (same steel as the replicas: fully functional but non firing)
# Japanese Ohba made Navy 1:4 scale (made of blued silver: fully functional but non firing).
Long Johns Wolf
I'm impressed, too! Didn't see this post earlier.
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Thats a really nice repro, looks close to the original. Do the rack numbers correspond with the the units you portray?
No, as you can imagine, with only 800 original revolvers acquired almost 165 years ago, surviving examples are pretty scarce, and as nearly as i can ascertain, the semi-commemorative issue in the 1970s didn't even reach the full number of originals, so I basically took what I could get with both of them.
The originals were acquired for issue only to the established Troops of Volunteer Militia Cavalry in Upper and Lower Canada, but I don't do any cavalry impressions. (Given my size, if I did I'd likely have to portray one of the horses rather than a Trooper!)
My original revolver is marked "U_C" (for Upper Canada) over "B" (the letter desgnation, in order of seniority, of the St. Catharines Troop) over "4" (number 4 of the 50 revolvers issued to the Troop) -
https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/600x655q90/922/MdAVHg.jpg (https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/600x655q90/922/MdAVHg.jpg)
Interestingly, all of the Upper Canada revolvers markings applied by the Militia armourer in Toronto were oriented "upside down" on the grips like you see above ... so presumably he laid them out on the bench with the grips "up" ... and the markings applied to the revolvers marked in Montreal are all the other way round, so that armourer no doubt had the revolvers oriented on the bench the other way when he stamped them - i.e. with the grips "down" ... When the distributor was marking the reproduction "commemoratives", they apparently wanted to avoid any suggestion they (or some subsequent seller) were flogging "fakes", so they used e a different font of letters and numbers, of a larger size than the originals, and also oriented the markings the other way on the grips - i.e. "right way up" on the UC-marked ones, and "upside down" on the LC-marked ones.
( ::) ... as if the Italian manufacturer and proof markings weren't enough to distinguish them ... or the grips couldn't simply be replaced ... ::) )
When I bought the reproduction some years ago, it was offered in a Canadian firearms website's buy and sell section simply as a reproduction Colt Navy revolver - no mention of it being a London model, nor of the markings on the grip panel. This was before I acquired my original, and I could tell from the photos posted that it was a London model (although the grip markings were not visible in the pictures) so I jumped on it ... with the idea that I could do facsimile markings on the grip to make a "pseudo Canada Colt" as a place-keeper in my growing collection of Canadian military handguns. Imagine my surprise when it arrive and such markings were already there! It is marked "U_C" over "A" (for the Frontenac County Troop hedquartered at Kingston) over "11" ... (At first, I thought somebody else had simply had the same idea for a personal "one-off", but later learned about the Navy Arms distributor's limited issue back in the '70's and subsequently confirmed that this was one of them.
Of possible interest, here is the Militia General Order of 18 May 1856 directing how the various new weapons acquired for the Militia were to be distributed and marked. Note that about half of the text of the Order is given over to instructions for loading, disassembly, cleaning and reassembly of the "six shooting Colt's pistol" -
(https://imageshack.com/a/img922/862/mOThWI.gif)
And while I'm "on a roll", here is a copy of the receipt given by the Captain of the Essex Troop of Cavalry ("I") for the arms and accoutrements issued for his Troop -
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/563x817q90/921/wOe8fk.jpg)
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When were these replaced and with what?
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Doc, Canada did not acquire any more "military issue" handguns until 1885! Keep in mind that our Militia operated under regulations drawn from those of the United Kingdom, and under that system officers got "issued" with little or nothing by the government; rather, they were required to supply all of their own uniforms and kit (including weapons) by private purchase at personal expense. Since a handgun was, for the most part, an officer's weapon, the government didn't need to supply any. Starting in 1867, Canadian cavalry were armed with Snider-Enfield cavalry carbines rather than handguns. (The North-West Mounted Police, established in 1873, were not really military, being administered by the Department of Justice rather than the Militia Department. They always had issued handguns, starting with the .450 Adams British service revolver, followed in the early 1880s by the British Enfield service revolver, which remained standard until 1905, when they adopted the Colt New Service revolver.)
However, in early 1885, with the outbreak of the North-West Rebellion, the Canadian Department of Militia & Defence acquired the rather odd quantity of 1,001 Model 1878 double action revolvers, chambered in .45 Colt, through the New York outfitting firm of Hartley & Graham. These were all nickel-plated, with 7.5" barrels and black hard rubber grips. This is the one in my collection which, like the majority of this model, had no government property markings applied -
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/814x403q90/924/HgwWWP.jpg)
The next military-issue handgun acquisition was a few more .45 Model 1878 Colts at the outbreak of the 2nd Anglo-Boer War in 1899, but then in 1900 they switched to ordering the early version of the Colt New Service revolver, the first shipment of which were also chambered in .45 Colt, but then changed to chambering the British .455 service revolver cartridge (at the request of the British War Department, which was supplying all the troops sent to South Africa, and didn't want the hassle of supplying any more .45 Colt ammunition than they had to ...) This is the Boer War-vintage Canadian-issue Colt New Service in my collection ... .455 caliber, shipped April 3, 1900, with Militia & Defence "M & D" property stamp -
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1000x583q90/922/5YYwv8.jpg)
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My .38 Colt cartridge project test gun: 1851 Kirst Konverted, unlined barrel....
(https://i.imgur.com/1FFmDpA.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MwThzso.jpg)
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Here is my 1851 Conversion
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how many clicks are Colt Conversions supposed to have? I think 3, but some say 4..The hammer on cap & ball revolvers has 2 teeth and SAA hammers have 3.
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how many clicks are Colt Conversions supposed to have? I think 3, but some say 4..The hammer on cap & ball revolvers has 2 teeth and SAA hammers have 3.
Cap'n'ball Colts and conversions have 3 clicks. Nothing to do with the hand, it is the lack of a safety notch on the hammer. So half cock is the first click.
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thank you Abilene thats what i thought..I had saw on the Colt forum that someone said 4 clicks which i thought was wrong..I have a 1851 Uberti Conversion and love it, it has 3 clicks.
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2nd gen. Colt 1851 2nd model #15379.
First turned to 3rd model, then transformed into a Richards-Mason factory conversion using the C&B cylinder, .38 Long Colt cal.
Long Johns Wolf
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Long Johns Wolf that Conversion is beautiful and well down...Is that CT state flag for effects? I live 20 miles south of the original factory and have been to the West Hartford factory several times..Colt is working on a buy out with CZ...They the only one or close to it left in what what once known as gun valley...Ct is trying erode the gun culture in this state..You cant buy a bullet without a permit! Terrible..Anyway, love that 1851.....Bob
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A few of my originals, from the top:
1851 Navy made in 1852, no finish left on it; but, mechanically like new, and shoots pretty much POA
1849 6 shot Pocket model made in 1862. Has 6 inch barrel and Hartford barrel address - rare
1849 6 shot Pocket Model made in 1865. Has 5 inch barrel.
1849 6 shot Pocket Model made in 1863. Has 4 inch barrel.
All of them are sound enough to shoot except the 5 incher.
It was put up wet too often
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Thanks, Bob and yes, you are right, CT state flag.
Long Johns Wolf
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This is my favorite of my three 1851, Leech & Rigdon. With a Kenny Howell conversion cylinder in .38 Long Colt.
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posted for Coffinmaker
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:) Thanks a Bunch Major 2 ;)
Was wandering thru The Official 1851 thread and concluded I hadn't contributed any of my 1851s for the collective to enjoy.
One Day I may learn to successfully post photos to the Forum. But I actually kinda doubt it. Major 2 saves my bacon again.
Stay Safe out There
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Mighty fine pistols Coffinmaker.
Those Capt'n Schaeffer pistols are the bees knees.
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:) Thank You Kindly Dave :D
Stay Safe Out There
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:) Thank You Kindly Dave :D
Stay Safe Out There
You're welcome!
Did I ever show you my "Coffinmaker Special"?
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:) Wowzers Dave :D
That be right COOL. I am of course, some partial to "Short" guns and all the better when you build 'em yourself!!! Super Fine.
I had intended at one time, to Bob a pair of Walkers. Right up until I picked one up. Was like dragging a garbage can around. Those sucker are some HEAVY. Decided not to pursue it.
I'm thinking again . . . . . . . .
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Here's a rare beauty. Stainless Steel Allen/Uberti Navy Yank 1851 Sheriffs model .36 Cal with a 5 inch barrel made in 1983. Still NIB/NOS.
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:) Fingers :D
That is one REALLY REALLY nice 1851. I could even overcome my dislike of Uberti for that one.
Stay Safe Out There
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Project guns of my 1862 J.H. Dance & Brothers Navy were a 1976 Uberti Colt 1851 Navy (grip and frame assemby) and a C.O.M. 1862 Griswold & Gunnison (round barrel assembly & plain cylinder).
These parts were mated together after a new arbor had been fitted to the Uberti frame.
The dia of the hole in the C.O.M. cylinder is just bigger than the central hole of the Uberti cylinder.
Long Johns Wolf
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Good job, LJW. That looks great. Very clean job. Thumbs up!
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Thanks, Marshal Will Wingam.
I am at the receiver's end of the Dance.
This transformation was executed by my favorite Austrian smith.
Kudos to Karl Nedbal.
Long Johns Wolf
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Another Uberti Colt 1851 Navy from 1970.
Transformed by the same Austrian smith last year into a Mississippi production 1862 Leech & Rigdon.
This job included the typical early pin & ball latch.
Long Johns Wolf
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excellent job Long Johns Wolf, you should be a consultant for the factory so they get it right!
Bob
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Thanks, MTB,
Had some talks with a leading Italian replica maker in Gardone, subsidiary of a leading global arms maker.
The management does not (any more?) seem to be interested in this kind of niche business.
Long Johns Wolf
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Loving your revolvers Long Johns Wolf. Excellently done.
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Here is a Taylor's Uberti in .38 Special I got today
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Here is a Taylor's Uberti in .38 Special I got today
That's a beauty.
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My main match pair: Pietta 1851s turned into Richards .38 Colt Conversions using Kirst Konverters and ejector rod assemblies.
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This Pietta got some action work then I touched up the contours of the receiver before doing a bone case coloring job to it. After playing with it for a year I gave it to a friend.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4655/40203342842_3c56f43c73_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24fCDau)2015-08-20 001 2015-08-20 001 (https://flic.kr/p/24fCDau) by Oliver Sudden (https://www.flickr.com/photos/155475279@N02/), on Flickr
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51 Navy Conversion
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:) Rube ;)
SWEET!!
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;D I got one....or three! ::)
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Pair of 51 RM Navy Revolvers and Holsters.
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Got myself an Uberti 1851 Navy to keep the Remingtons company.