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Title: Walther PPK is 80!
Post by: Border Ruffian on October 17, 2011, 05:10:35 PM
With the centennial of the Model 1911, don't forget the Walther PPK is 80.  Indroduced in 1931, most American shooters didn't see one until WW II and after.  The Sean Connery, James Bond, cool gun is 80 years old.  The best part is tat It fits in the Zoot Shooting time frame.   
Title: Re: Walther PPK is 80!
Post by: PJ Hardtack on October 17, 2011, 07:16:14 PM
BR

I've got an Erma knock off PPK in .22 LR. Only gun I ever bought 'cause it was 'cute'. Shoots like a hot damn as well.

Best part is the serial # - the first three digits are '005'. I wanted '007' and the dealer said "So did I. Someone else got it."

I've got a small hand and you've got to be careful so as not to get a slice from the slide if you leave any meat too high on the grip.
Guys with beefy hands probably don't like these guns at all.
Title: Re: Walther PPK is 80!
Post by: Border Ruffian on October 18, 2011, 05:05:05 PM
BR

I've got an Erma knock off PPK in .22 LR. Only gun I ever bought 'cause it was 'cute'. Shoots like a hot damn as well.

Best part is the serial # - the first three digits are '005'. I wanted '007' and the dealer said "So did I. Someone else got it."

I've got a small hand and you've got to be careful so as not to get a slice from the slide if you leave any meat too high on the grip.
Guys with beefy hands probably don't like these guns at all.

Now 007 would have been a great number to have!!  I have smallish hands and the PPK fits me fine.  If I had larger hands I'd opt for a PPK/S that has the longer 1968  import compliant frame.  I have a 1957 vintage PPK-L with the aluminum frame in 32 ACP.  I beleive (in my own mind) that what "James" would have carried.  8)




 
Title: Re: Walther PPK is 80!
Post by: PJ Hardtack on October 18, 2011, 06:53:18 PM
In what I chose to refer to as my own mind, I'm of the opinion that '007' would have carried an all-steel .380.

What did Ian Fleming arm him with?
Title: Re: Walther PPK is 80!
Post by: Old Top on October 18, 2011, 08:15:56 PM
All steel 32 ppk, to replace the Beretta 25 he was carring.  Changed later to different guns the one I remember was an ASP.
Title: Re: Walther PPK is 80!
Post by: PJ Hardtack on October 19, 2011, 10:39:27 AM
Right ... I remember Ian Fleming referring to the "heavy slug" of the PPK hitting one of 007's opponents. I guess compared to the mouse fart .25, it was.
Having once owned a really pristine Mauser HSc 7.65mm (.32), I think I'm better off with my .22 LR PPK ERMA knock off, especially with Hi-Speed HPs.
Hard for me to believe that the Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe armed so many men with pop gun pistols in 7.65mm. Cheaper than the 9mm P-08 and P-38s, I guess. Other than the infamous "neck geschuss" of the SS, I can't think of a gun less suited to the needs of a combat soldier. A thick greatcoat would stop the bullet.
Title: Re: Walther PPK is 80!
Post by: Evelyn Canarvon on October 19, 2011, 01:28:36 PM
Tried one once but no thank you. 

Still much prefer my good old P-08 Luger.

Out of self-loaders my two favourite still remain the above and a 38 super 1911.  Both over a centuary old designs.
Title: Re: Walther PPK is 80!
Post by: PJ Hardtack on October 19, 2011, 09:10:53 PM
While serving in Germany during the Cold War, I married into a German family. My Deutscher father-in-law was one of the few to escape the encirclement of the 6th Armee at Stalingrad, only to be captured later and sent to a Gulag in Siberia. He wasn't repatriated until 1951, earlier than some.
I used to ask him questions about the weaponry he used as a Panzer Grenadier in the Wehrmacht. When I used the word "Luger", he was baffled. Finally I showed him a picture and he said "Ach, P-'08! Prima pistole." In German, that is pronounced "Pay nuhl ocht", the German term for the gun.
"Luger" is a US term for the gun, with reference to Georg Luger who came up with the design based on the earlier Borchardt.
Stoeger made it famous peddling the Mauser Banner Lugers pre-WWII and the name stuck.
Title: Re: Walther PPK is 80!
Post by: RickB on October 19, 2011, 09:39:27 PM
I've got two PPK/S pistols. One is an original German made one with all blue slide and frame. The other is a USA made Walther/S&W one in stainless. I use the latter as one of my carry guns. Makes me feel a little like Bond, James Bond. Love how they shoot.
Title: Re: Walther PPK is 80!
Post by: St. George on October 19, 2011, 10:39:34 PM
The small autos were issued to Staff Officers - primarily as a badge of rank.

Combat Officers carried the various 9mms - the more senior preferring the P08, with the rest being issued the P38.

The smaller autos were also carried by aircrew - for reasons of compactness - and by the civilian Police of all varieties.

In Europe, the .32 was considered adequate and the .380 powerful.

Scouts Out!





Title: Re: Walther PPK is 80!
Post by: PJ Hardtack on October 20, 2011, 10:53:05 AM
St. George

Well, we know who won the war .....

"Never shoot anyone with a gun whose calibre does not begin with the number '4' ...."  Cooper called the 1911 .45 ACP the "Yankee Hammer" for good reason - it works!
I'd have thought better of '007' had he carried a .45 Commander. Not much bigger than a Walther and much more effective. But it lacks the European cachet of a PPK.
Title: Re: Walther PPK is 80!
Post by: Pitspitr on October 20, 2011, 11:14:53 AM
"Never shoot anyone with a gun whose calibre does not begin with the number '4' ...." 
Well, I don't know... There are some pretty effective calibers that start with a .5  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Walther PPK is 80!
Post by: PJ Hardtack on October 20, 2011, 05:35:29 PM
Yep, don't own one and don't want one. The guys I know that do have them rarely shoot them and when they do, suffer from a well developed 'recoil anticipation syndrome' (aka flinching).

I guess I could have said - "... a gun whose calibre starts with at LEAST the number 4 ..."

I do enough shooting with .44 Spl., 44-40, .455 Webley, .45 colt and .45 ACP that I feel comfortable with these calibres. That outweighs the muscle of the larger bores.
Title: Re: Walther PPK is 80!
Post by: Forty Rod on December 07, 2011, 10:51:53 AM
All steel 32 ppk, to replace the Beretta 25 he was carring.  Changed later to different guns the one I remember was an ASP.

He got the Walther in Dr. No. "It's a 7.65 millimeter and hits like a brick through a plate glass window". It was also threaded for  a silencer, but later in the same movie he used a Browning 1910 with a silencer to shoot the traitor who tried to kill him.
Title: Re: Walther PPK is 80!
Post by: PJ Hardtack on December 07, 2011, 11:26:33 AM
7.62mm translates to .308". Perhaps you meant 7.65mm?

IMHO - someone would be better armed with the brick than a .32 auto. Some might be willing to stand behind a plate glass window and let you fire a shot at them with a 7.65mm/.32 auto - IF they could have the next shot with a gun whose calibre starts with at least the number 4 .... ;>)

Maybe even a .38 Spl. +P or .357.

It's a pity that some authors and proof readers don't do a little more research into their fantasy writings.
Title: Re: Walther PPK is 80!
Post by: Forty Rod on December 07, 2011, 02:28:51 PM
Yep.  Fixed it.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Walther PPK is 80!
Post by: Forty Rod on December 07, 2011, 02:36:30 PM
7.62mm translates to .308". Perhaps you meant 7.65mm?

IMHO - someone would be better armed with the brick than a .32 auto. Some might be willing to stand behind a plate glass window and let you fire a shot at them with a 7.65mm/.32 auto - IF they could have the next shot with a gun whose calibre starts with at least the number 4 .... ;>)

Maybe even a .38 Spl. +P or .357.

It's a pity that some authors and proof readers don't do a little more research into their fantasy writings.

As a rule Fleming did some pretty good research.  At the time he wrote this the French Flics were still carrying .22s on the streets and much of the world's military and police were using .32s and .380s for their second string troops and 9mm Parabellum for first stringers. 

Up until the seventies most countries and their "experts" thought Americans were horribly over-gunned.  Besides spies and assassins and agents weren't supposed to get into "wild west shoot-outs".
Title: Re: Walther PPK is 80!
Post by: St. George on December 07, 2011, 03:32:24 PM
That, coupled with the fact that no one I ever ran across wanted to be shot with even a .22 Short, much less a .32...

Funny, that...

Vaya,

Scouts Out!
Title: Re: Walther PPK is 80!
Post by: RickB on December 07, 2011, 09:32:01 PM
I remember reading that more people are killed with 22s, 25s, and 380s than are by larger caliber guns each year. So I can surmise they must do the job when needed. 
Title: Re: Walther PPK is 80!
Post by: St. George on December 07, 2011, 10:14:09 PM
If they didn't - those calibers wouldn't be in the wide use that they are, and the weapons chambered for them wouldn't be in the high demand that they've always been.

Vaya,

Scouts Out!

Title: Re: Walther PPK is 80!
Post by: PJ Hardtack on December 08, 2011, 11:02:22 AM
Sadly, the universality of the .25s and .32s is no more in Kanuckistan ..... ;>(

Years ago, our PC gov't saw fit to deem them 'prohibited', 'grandfathering' them to current owners. These were the ideal calibres for women and the elderly with their low recoil.
It was the liberal "Saturday Night Special" syndrome that powered this travesty, as if criminals and the suicidal were the ones most interested in these guns. In reality, they prefer the current Glocks and other modern guns in 9mm and larger.

We no longer have 'pocket pistol' CAS side matches as so few people are licenced to own 'prohibs' with 4" barrels or less. Of course, this makes Canadian society a whole lot safer and the world a better place in general ...... yeah, right!
Title: Re: Walther PPK is 80!
Post by: Border Ruffian on December 08, 2011, 10:04:42 PM
Sadly, the universality of the .25s and .32s is no more in Kanuckistan ..... ;>(

Years ago, our PC gov't saw fit to deem them 'prohibited', 'grandfathering' them to current owners. These were the ideal calibres for women and the elderly with their low recoil.
It was the liberal "Saturday Night Special" syndrome that powered this travesty, as if criminals and the suicidal were the ones most interested in these guns. In reality, they prefer the current Glocks and other modern guns in 9mm and larger.

We no longer have 'pocket pistol' CAS side matches as so few people are licenced to own 'prohibs' with 4" barrels or less. Of course, this makes Canadian society a whole lot safer and the world a better place in general ...... yeah, right!

The gun control fools down here have tried the same thing every now and again, during the 70s and 80s it was all about "Saturday night specials" and how "dangerous " they were.  Nowadays, the flavor of the month are semi automatic rifles.
Title: Re: Walther PPK is 80!
Post by: The Elderly Kid on December 19, 2011, 05:43:24 PM
Of course 007 (along with some of the baddies) was a supernaturally good shot who could always shoot the other guy through the pupil of the left eye, every time. A .32 is quite adequate for that. Does it strike anyone else as odd that Bond is always referred to as a spy yet he never seems to do any spying? He spends most of his time playing golf and baccarat and bedding gorgeous ladies. Actually, in the books Bond is a bit of a thug and in the one assassination he mentions pulling, during WWII he used a rifle, an eminently sensible weapon.
From those years, my favorite undercover agent/assassin was Donald Hamilton's Matt Helm. Helm preferred a Cold Woodsman with a 2-inch barrel, because it's neat and relatively quiet and he always tried to shoot them in the back of the skull. From in front, he usually used a knife they wouldn't even see until it was too late. He always tried to avoid fighting because you can always lose a fight whereas backshooting is a sure thing. Extremely cold-blooded. And Hamilton really knew his firearms. I never caught him in a mistake.
Title: Re: Walther PPK is 80!
Post by: St. George on December 19, 2011, 06:34:10 PM
Actually,Matt Helm used a personally-owned pre-war Sport Model with the adjustable front sight.

He'd carried it throughout the war.

Vaya,

Scouts Out!


Title: Re: Walther PPK is 80!
Post by: The Elderly Kid on December 20, 2011, 11:14:23 AM
I'll have to dig out my copy of "Death of a Citizen." It's been a good many years.
Title: Re: Walther PPK is 80!
Post by: St. George on December 20, 2011, 11:32:17 AM
Do - it's still a good read.

He left the piece with a body, so he doesn't have it any longer.

Vaya,

Scouts Out!