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Gunsmithing / Re: Need 66 loading gate (spoon)
« Last post by Abilene on Today at 10:18:40 AM »
Shotgun Boogie does not make a ladle for the '66.  His loading gate is "66 Style" for the '73.  Which means the scoop goes all the way to the front of the loading gate like a '66 making it easier to load because it doesn't have to push in as far.  But not interchangeable with the '66. 
Gunsmithing / Re: Need 66 loading gate (spoon)
« Last post by Coffinmaker on Today at 09:49:11 AM »

 :)  Hey Reverend Chase  ;)

First and foremost, my condolences on your loss (sniff sniff snivel).  Secondly, it's called a "Ladle" in correct parlance.  You have several choices:

Cowboys and Indian Store use to sell a reinforced ladle.  Don't know if they still do.

VTI Gunparts sells a reinforced Ladle.

And, your best bet is Shotgun Boogie.  Shotgun Boogie sells the best Ladle on the Planet, bar none.

You can also purchase a new OEM Ladle.  Clean the back next to the tab.  Then build a "dam" around the ladle with tape and make a fillet out of JB Weld.  Let it cure overnight.  Probably last forever (mine has).  Or you can make a little brass gusset and silver solder it to the back of the tab.

You Betcha Agnes, People Are REALLY Hazardous to Yer Health
The Winchester Model 1886 / Re: Taylor's Pedersoli 1886
« Last post by greyhawk on Today at 08:11:26 AM »
I'm not familiar with the Miroku '86 but am going to guess it has some "safety" features on it.  I'd prefer the Pedersoli for that reason, as well as the fact that everything they make is usually excellent.  The Chiappa is nice as well, no safety, but the Pedersoli barrel is likely the best.

I have a Chiappa --if the Pedersoli barrel is better ...its a hair split - the difference is somewhere beyond my shooting ability

you are proly right     I have a Uberti 76 that has Pedersoli barrel (rumour says) --- its a tad more shiny inside - maybe fouls a little slower with blackpowder ? but my first outing with a tang sight on the Chiappa I was seriously impressed. 
Gunsmithing / Re: Need 66 loading gate (spoon)
« Last post by Coal Creek Griff on Today at 07:41:17 AM »
One option is to buy a replacement loading gate and reenforce the tab. Having read about their tendency to break, I used JB Weld to reenforce mine when I first bought the gun. The gun isn't used heavily, but so far it's still working.

Morning y'all.
Coffee and tea are ready.

'Tis 21 and mostly cloudy. High of 43. Possible sn*w tonight.

Uberti, Pietta and other SAA Clones / Re: Starting to like Piettas
« Last post by 45 Dragoon on Yesterday at 11:26:55 PM »
Not to be a party pooper but,  my Cimarron Frontier (Pietta, first of this Model by Pietta for me) came with its share of problems! Nice looking  SA in 45C / 45acp  with 4 3/4" tube but that's the best part. It's  a 2020 make and had a very out of spec hand window which would barely allow any engagement of the hand with the ratchet.  That lead to "easy  throw-by " which  lead to a few scratches on the blued cyl.( which lead me to buy a new blued cyl in 45acp and a s.s. cyl in 45C). The bolt is "ruined" before it is installed because of the "Much too aggressive" reset bevel ground on the left bolt arm.  It can't help but slide off the side of the cam because of it!!  ( that only leads to earlier and earlier bolt drop!!). Called EMF for a new hand and described the problem.  They have bolts that are pulled  before the bevel is ground!! That allows me to set it up MY way!!  After that, all is great with the set up and I've really grown to like that barrel length!! Love the contrasting  blued/ ss cyls and had started fanning it for it's "exorcize" ( just like I had done with my El Patron Comp for years!!) since it'll take it.  Next thing  to happen is the firing pin retaining pin  backs out and  trys to wreck the  frame  !!!! UUUUGG !!!  I pull the pin, shorten it and reinstall it.   I use a flat punch the "shrink" the hole on both sides to "lock" it in place.  NOW, IT'S  AN EXCELLENT  REVOLVER. 
 Didn't have to do that to the El Patron  .  .  .
 I'm at " I like the Frontier at this point, but I want go out of my way to get another.

And by the way,  my lgs had received this revolver as a consignment and thought it was the cats meow, held on to it for me!!!!! I kinda felt obligated to buy it so I did .  . .  so THATS how that happens  .  .  .  ;D

A cow eat Sackett's homework, today.  :o

The Longbranch / Re: gunoholic
« Last post by DeaconKC on Yesterday at 08:40:41 PM »
Worked out a partial trade and picked up an ATI 1911 Commander today. Philippine built, very good sights, and will probably bobtail it as I like a bobtailed Commander.
The Winchester Model 1876 / Re: Load Data for the 40/60
« Last post by Black River Smith on Yesterday at 08:13:35 PM »

"What all this has to do with is that everything I read seems to indicate that, given modern steel, the toggle action of 73/76 doesn’t really give up all that much to subsequent developments. IMHO"  Now that I understand your overall premise, I will say --- To a certain point, I will definitely agree with your statement about the newly manufactured guns.  Just look over at the loading results of other shooter, in the other caliber reloading Stickies.  Some velocities are impressive.

But you have to understand, that I believe and other also, that the 1886 was a 'Stronger' overall design, in a shorter receiver frame than its BP toggle-link brothers.  Also remember that the '86 design with better steel, became the platform, for the revered Win '71 in 348 caliber.  Even the 1892 design had special High Velocity smokeless loads develop for it in the early 1900's.  Neither the 1873 or 1876 were graduated to higher velocity smokeless cartridges, until our modern times.    But again like you state -- the newer steel does allow for higher velocities and newer cartridges like the 44Mag in an 1873 design.  Sorry, I do not know about the smokeless loads for 45-70 Trapdoors.

But, I am now going to have to beg-out of this conversation because I only have the 49th Edition and it does not have what you are talking about.  So, I cannot read and maybe re-interpret what you are reading.  You see the 49th Edition was the first time Lyman even addressed the NEW '1876 replica' rifles and their reloading(my reason for buying it).  All the information was in one comprehensive chapter, only 4 pages total.  It only covered 40-60, 45-60 & 45-75.  Not the 50-95.

Also this Edition only has 2 other 40's (besides the 40-60).  Only one of them is what you are talking about, the 40-65.  In its intro page it does state "This data is intended for use in modern, newly manufactured guns rated for smokeless powder.  This data is not for use in antique guns originally built for black powder."

So hopefully others will be able to help you work through the newer Lyman Edition's intended information...
NCOWS / Re: NCOWS Convention
« Last post by Dan Topper on Yesterday at 07:49:59 PM »
Wonderful event and so great to see everyone that made it. Bang up job on hosting it.
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